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Two weeks into Occupy Wall Street protests, movement is at a crossroads

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2011 08:16 am
@parados,
I previously posted links as a reply to you.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2011 08:21 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

I previously posted links as a reply to you.

I see no post from you that contain links after your post about 11 rapes.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2011 08:24 am
@Thomas,
I was speaking to someone in NY yesterday morning, and he spent about 20 minutes telling me about his experience with the Occupiers.

He works on Wall Street but is well ensconced in the 99%

He made a point of saying he agreed with some of what they are saying, but he is definitely fed up with their antics, and the threat to shut down the subway had him livid.

They are past the point of diminishing returns.
Builder
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2011 08:29 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
To put this post into perspective, let's look at the timeline, shall we?

For two months, the movement has been pretty much static. For one day, things got moving, due to the eviction of the protesters. Subway closed temporarily, shops unable to trade. For one day.

For the last decade, that's three thousand, six hundred and fifty days, give or take a day or two, the one percenters have been screwing every single one of those people who are now complaining about sixty days of protests about this decade long screwing over, (and we all know it's been going on for much longer than a decade, don't we??), forgetting that the protesters are doing their best to help the financial situation of every American in the 99 %.

How could anyone of rational mind consider this protest to be to their disadvantage, unless they consider themselves to be part of the one %.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2011 08:32 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Meanwhile..
I talked to 3 people yesterday and they all support OWS.. so they are not at the point of diminishing returns..


</sarcasm>
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2011 08:39 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Your numbers are just more and more suspect Finn..
The only links I found from you weren't to me at all but were in response to CI and only list 4 rapes.

Then your number of arrests of Tea Partiers is off by a factor of at least 10.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/strange-scene-10-arrested-as-tea-party-watchers-heckle-police.php
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Fido
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2011 09:22 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:


When confronted by an unruly and unlawful mob such as Obama's children, those who are currently 'occupying'
this and that... I can't help but think of the words spoken by Sgt. Maj. Basil Plumley in We were soldiers.

Gentlemen, prepare to defend yourself!
I think rather of that cardinal who told his general to kill them all because God would recognize his own...

It would be a wonderful thing for this people if the rich would simply have their police slaughter the protesters in the street, and let no one escape...All this pit a pat of driving them from the parks with force when the weather would do the same without political loss is stupid; but it is educational...First responders are under assault from the rich too... The rich would rather have hired head breakers working for the change they could steal off their victims... It is important for the poor to see the police as brain busters, and for the police to see the 99% as so much riff raff so neither one counts on the other again...People are choosing sides here, and it is better to have the right teams to start with... The police want something for nothing as much as the criminals and the rich do, and they should not be allowed to stand with the citizens of the United States...
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Fido
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2011 09:28 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

I was speaking to someone in NY yesterday morning, and he spent about 20 minutes telling me about his experience with the Occupiers.

He works on Wall Street but is well ensconced in the 99%

He made a point of saying he agreed with some of what they are saying, but he is definitely fed up with their antics, and the threat to shut down the subway had him livid.

They are past the point of diminishing returns.
You see... They should not threaten at all, but think carefully, and then do what will most help their cause without hurting their cause... The most revolutionary thing in the world is an individual action... People buy off the rack no matter how much they glorify individualism... They all want to hide behind some one else with the courage to act... Until they all get the courage to act, and then act as individuals, not asking permission of no one, and then doing as they damned well please, the movement is not revolutionary...
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Fido
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2011 09:39 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

To put this post into perspective, let's look at the timeline, shall we?

For two months, the movement has been pretty much static. For one day, things got moving, due to the eviction of the protesters. Subway closed temporarily, shops unable to trade. For one day.

For the last decade, that's three thousand, six hundred and fifty days, give or take a day or two, the one percenters have been screwing every single one of those people who are now complaining about sixty days of protests about this decade long screwing over, (and we all know it's been going on for much longer than a decade, don't we??), forgetting that the protesters are doing their best to help the financial situation of every American in the 99 %.

How could anyone of rational mind consider this protest to be to their disadvantage, unless they consider themselves to be part of the one %.

Actually; what they are doing they are doing for all the people... Rich people ruin their societies... They make all of society insecure to have security that is all the more illusive when everyone needs it... The make their society poor to have wealth, but by the same process make roperty rights meaningless because they destroy the political support for property rights with ever reduction in property ownership... They weaken the people morally by robbing morality of its meaning, and they weaken the nation by denying to so many people something to fight for in denying them anything they might need to protect, while denying tax revenue to the government to support a military... To think the rich don't go down with the society they sink is ignorant... The ows are also trying to save the rich from themselves...
Builder
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2011 04:45 pm
@Fido,
Forum Post: Protests That Worked

Posted 4 minutes ago on Nov. 18, 2011, 5:29 p.m. EST by mtmama
This content is user submitted and not an official statement

By Michael Lind

November 16, 2011

Bonus Army members camped in Washington in 1932, to protest the unemployment created by the Great Depression. On July 28, 1932, at the command of President Herbert Hoover, police and soldiers led by Gen. Douglas MacArthur attacked and destroyed the camp of the Bonus Army, a group of thousands of World War I veterans and their families and allies who had spent the spring and summer protesting the unemployment created by the Great Depression. The violence, in which two veterans were killed and dozens of people were injured, shocked the American public and helped to ensure the victory of Franklin D. Roosevelt over Hoover in that fall’s presidential election.

Politicians and voters might be more swayed by a powerful one-time demonstration, like Martin Luther King Jr.'s 1963 march. Will the raids by city officials in New York and across the country on the encampments of Occupy protesters create a popular backlash, as did the crushing of the Bonus Army? Another possibility is that the Occupy movement will suffer the fate of the Poor People’s Campaign of 1968.

Following the success of the civil rights movement in bringing about a legislated end to formal racial segregation, Martin Luther King Jr. sought to tackle problems of poverty and inequality that transcended race. Following his assassination in April 1968, the Poor People’s Campaign, which he founded, marched on Washington in May — and stayed. The protestors created a tent city on the Mall, complete with its own City Hall, and named it Resurrection City.

Resurrection City was a debacle. The tent city turned the Mall into a muddy morass. The movement’s goal of economic justice was complex and could be accomplished only over generations. Antiwar protesters and adherents of other causes further blurred the already vague message. The dismantling of the camp in June 1968 was anticlimactic. In August, the campaign moved to Chicago, where some of its members battled cops in what the government itself called “a police riot” during the Democratic National Convention. More Americans sided with the police than with the protesters, and a generation of political hegemony by the law-and-order right followed.

According to polls, most Americans initially sympathized with Occupy Wall Street. But a movement identified with the counterculture that creates shanty-towns in every city, including progressive cities like Portland, may end up alienating liberal as well as conservative members of the suburban middle-class majority. A better model for Occupy Wall Street than Resurrection City might have been Martin Luther King Jr.’s successful 1963 March on Washington, which followed the rules of successful oratory: Be brief, be bright, be gone.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2011 07:30 pm
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2011 04:44 am


The Occutards continue to make the T.E.A. Party look better than ever.

Nice work Occutards!
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2011 04:52 am
@H2O MAN,
The tea party is nothing like the original and if the original was going on today you would be wanting them arrested!
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2011 05:00 am
http://www.athenswater.com/images/Plumley.jpg
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2011 05:02 am
@Fido,
Fido wrote:

Actually; what they are doing they are doing for all the people...


That is an incorrect assumption.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2011 05:07 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
That is an incorrect assumption.


It could be true even though not all people want it done for them! Rolling Eyes
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2011 06:28 am
@reasoning logic,


The little gatherings of Occutards are insignificant and the vast
majority of Americans want them hauled out with the garbage.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2011 06:33 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
The little gatherings


Do I sense envy coming from a tea party supporter? How are the world wide tea parties going?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2011 07:02 am
This is a very intelligent young man!

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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2011 07:06 am
@reasoning logic,


Occutards are an insignificant distraction - they are pathetic pawns
in the game of life - they are being used and abused by the liberal left.

 

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