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Two weeks into Occupy Wall Street protests, movement is at a crossroads

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 05:41 pm
What is your response to this? Is it to walk on by or what is it that you would do?

What really happened when the war veteran received brain damage from the police!


ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 05:55 pm
@reasoning logic,
You sound pretty hysteric on your posts on the Occupy situations, and now you're off taunting christians to defend themselves and their opinions. I'd say you are a piece of work yourself. Christians may vary as they are.. varied. Are you the flume of wisdom? Of course on the face of it, no one, or mostly no one, christian or not, wanted that person to have his skull cracked. I figure most would think that overboard and others would think it as a stupid move.

I'm not right away for all the noise coming from city halls about getting the tents the hell away, myself. (I'm presently watching re Arcata). I think there are protest rights, at least arguable, and I think it is a dumb move by city governments. On the other hand, Arcata has long suffered trials by homeless in its plaza, so there is a background for not wanting to put up with stuff.

Now Villaragosa is doing it. He has probably consulted his genies.

I probably agree with many protesting. I also may disagree with some of them. Who can tell?
I'm a long time non fan of violent protest, including of university buildings.
I'm a fan of steady steely relatively quiet protest, especially if it has teeth by means of citizen conversations with congress, etc.

Why do you call yourself reasoning logic?
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 06:52 pm
@RABEL222,
A nicely pointed question, but there could be other reasons as well.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 07:00 pm
Your interest doesn't seem to have worked out yet, as you seem to post emotionally. Not that I'm against that, but just saying.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 07:08 pm
@ossobuco,
Would it be better if I posted psychopathic {emotionless}?
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 07:31 pm
@reasoning logic,
You promote yourself as 'reasoning logic'. Your views don't match, from whatever side of the occupiers you take it. To me, you are emotionally involved, which I understand, and start to post all the videos you can.

This is a kind of fuzz.

Let other people talk.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 07:40 pm
@ossobuco,
Quote:
Let other people talk.

You are talking and if you do not like what people have say then use the ignore feature and you will not see any of what someone is saying that you do not want to see! Idea
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 08:00 pm
@reasoning logic,
You have no clue what I might agree with re what people have to say, pro or con or otherwise. I'm often interested in otherwise re my own views.

You are a jumped up poster, all aflame. It gets annoying.

This is Bumblebeeboogie's thread. (known to most of us as BBB)

reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 08:11 pm
@ossobuco,
Quote:
You have no clue what I might agree with re what people have to say, pro or con or otherwise.


Are you not submitting clues with these replies?
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 08:18 pm
@reasoning logic,
I have often done that. It is you that is sans clue, and belligerently sans clue.
Why don't you try being quiet for a while and listening to discussion on issues?
I am trying to.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 08:22 pm
@ossobuco,
Quote:
Why don't you try being quiet for a while and listening to discussion on issues?
I am trying to.


It seems that your greatest interest is listening and discussing with me!

Have you been drinking?
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 08:29 pm
@reasoning logic,
Honey, you are not my greatest interest. Putting you back onto ignore.
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Builder
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2011 10:31 pm
@reasoning logic,
Keep the videos coming please.

And Osso, I never thought of you as a shin of beef. LOL.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 08:34 am
@cicerone imposter,
"Unable to find jobs"??

Horseshit!!!

These protesters that say they cant find jobs dont want to start at the bottom and work their way up, they all want to start as the CEO of a company.
There are jobs out there to be had.

I will bet that if you were to offer them all jobs working in agriculture, they would all refuse because its to hard.

Thats the problem with some of these protests.
While I agree with some of their stated goals, some of the goals are simply coming from spoiled kids who want everything given to them.
They dont want to start at the bottom of the corporate ladder, they dont want to have to live up to their obligations as adults (pay back student loans), they dont want to have to work for anything.
These are the same people, at least the younger ones, that were told not to keep score in games so that nobodies feelings would get hurt if they lost, they were told that 1+1=2 if thats what they truly thought and that was ok, they have been given everything they wanted as kids.
Now we are paying the price for it.

And as long as they protest peacefully, I have no problem with them.
However, that does not include drumming 24 hours a day, that does not include blocking streets or sidewalks, that does not include urinating in public, and it does not include refusing lawful orders to move.

They have the right to protest, but they do not have the right to infringe on anyone elses rights.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 08:48 am
@mysteryman,
What a bunch of crap. Let me ask ya - do you know any of these people personally? Do you know what their life was like growing up, or what jobs they've applied for?

Nope. Your post is just one big stereotype, from beginning to end.

Cycloptichorn
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 08:52 am
@mysteryman,
They take drugs too.
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Fido
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 08:56 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Me too; to demonstrate peacefully is a constitutionally protected right. The police state belongs in other undeveloped countries - not the US>.
Your rights are what the police say they are... Up against the wall mudderfugger...
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Fido
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 09:05 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

To make the rich more rich, and transfer our growing debt to our children who are unable to find jobs. There's a crash in our future.
Cic, and economy and money even, since it is only paper, is a form of relationship... If they have all the money and we are forced to fight over a little bit that is left, we will, and we will do things for that money and hold it in high value... But at some point there as to be enough money around for all people to value it... If we see that it is the cause of our dehumanization, as it clearly is, we will find some method of batter for out needs... If they have all the money, the money will mean nothing...If they have all the power, their power will mean nothing... If they control the government and the whole damned country and leave us in the streets then we have no reason to support their claim to it... Shared meaning is one of those qualities that make relationships, and they are taking the shared meaning out of it ,thinking all the time we will love more what we don't have...
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 10:28 am
OPEN LETTER TO OCCUPY CHICAGO:

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We are Wall Street. It’s our job to make money. Whether it’s a commodity, stock, bond, or some hypothetical piece of fake paper, it doesn’t matter. We would trade baseball cards if it were profitable. I didn’t hear America complaining when the market was roaring to 14,000 and everyone’s 401k doubled every 3 years. Just like gambling, its not a problem until you lose. I’ve never heard of anyone going to Gamblers Anonymous because they won too much in Vegas.

Well now the market crapped out, & even though it has come back somewhat, the government and the average Joes are still looking for a scapegoat. God knows there has to be one for everything. Well, here we are.

Go ahead and continue to take us down, but you’re only going to hurt yourselves. What’s going to happen when we can’t find jobs on the Street anymore? Guess what: We’re going to take yours. We get up at 5am & work until 10pm or later. We’re used to not getting up to pee when we have a position. We don’t take an hour or more for a lunch break. We don’t demand a union. We don’t retire at 50 with a pension. We eat what we kill, and when the only thing left to eat is on your dinner plates, we’ll eat that.

For years teachers and other unionized labor have had us fooled. We were too busy working to notice. Do you really think that we are incapable of teaching 3rd graders and doing landscaping? We’re going to take your cushy jobs with tenure and 4 months off a year and whine just like you that we are so-o-o-o underpaid for building the youth of America. Say goodbye to your overtime, and double time and a half. I’ll be hitting grounders to the high school baseball team for $5k extra a summer, thank you very much.

So now that we’re going to be making $85k a year without upside, Joe Mainstreet is going to have his revenge, right? Wrong! Guess what: we’re going to stop buying the new 80k car, we aren’t going to leave the 35 percent tip at our business dinners anymore. No more free rides on our backs. We’re going to landscape our own back yards, wash our cars with a garden hose in our driveways. Our money was your money. You spent it. When our money dries up, so does yours.

The difference is, you lived off of it, we rejoiced in it. The Obama administration and the Democratic National Committee might get their way and knock us off the top of the pyramid, but it’s really going to hurt like hell for them when our fat a**es land directly on the middle class of America and knock them to the bottom.

We aren’t dinosaurs. We are smarter and more vicious than that, and we are going to survive. The question is, now that Obama & his administration are making Joe Mainstreet our food supply…will he? and will they?”


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/28/traders-talk-back-to-occupy-chicago/#ixzz1cBl18uBj
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2011 10:44 am
@Fido,
What the rich doesn't seem to understand is that sharing the money/wealth with more people means they'll get richer - not poorer, because the economy will become healthy again. More people with more people means they will spend money to buy the goods and services people produce - with jobs, pay, and benefits.

Their greed, the captains of industry, have replaced their common sense for the common good.

If they had shared the profit from their companies with all the workers, tax revenue would take care of themselves to pay for the needs of governments.

The deficits would have been reduced or completely disappeared - depending on governments fiscal management.
 

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