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Kiss My Ass Irene

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 07:49 pm
Overhyped Irene makes Washington the inevitable butt of snickers

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Have your fun, Gulf Coasters. Go ahead, LOL at us.

And Californians, please join in.

It is a national pastime, apparently, to whip out our rulers and measure our natural disasters against one another in an endless, cross-country, chest-thumping smackdown.

Yes, you’re totally right, America, about Washington’s wimpiness.

We nearly crashed Twitter last week when the 5.8-magnitude earthquake knocked the political biographies off our bookshelves and tipped over our patio chairs. The horror!

As Hurricane Irene churned toward the Mid-Atlantic, we bought enough dry goods to stock a humanitarian aid airlift for an entire continent and seriously discussed who could eat whom if it went all Donner party on us.

It became a game, trying to find D batteries. CVS, Wegmans, Safeway, Ace Hardware, Home Depot, Office Depot — all wiped out.

In one massive suburban grocery store Friday evening, it was impossible to find peanut butter or bread. So that’s what we plan to do if all heck breaks loose? PB&Js galore?

Of course, New Yorkers were a bit more clever and boozy about it, buying out all the ginger beer — the key ingredient in one of my favorite libations, a dark and stormy.

Bars whipped up hurricane drinks, foodies made insane frittatas and my kids wore their headlamps all night, asking: “Is the power out yet? Is the power out yet? When is the power going to go out, already?!”

Sorry, kids. Irene may be the most overhyped hurricane of our lifetime. Weather Web page hits and TV ratings went through the roof. In fact, that’s about all Irene did to roofs, at least in most places.

At dawn, we cleared away the branches and righted the garbage cans while the nation snickered.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/overhyped-irene-makes-washington-the-inevitable-butt-of-snickers/2011/08/28/gIQA1eGglJ_story.html
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 07:58 pm
A Hurricane of Hype

Irene fell far short of the media’s dire warnings even before it was downgraded. Howard Kurtz on the scaremongering by television and local officials


By Howard Kurtz

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It was raining in Manhattan on Sunday morning, and the dogged correspondents in their brightly colored windbreakers were getting wet.

But the apocalypse that cable television had been trumpeting had failed to materialize. And at 9 a.m., you could almost hear the air come out of the media’s hot-air balloon of constant coverage when Hurricane Irene was downgraded to a tropical storm.

Not everyone was willing to accept this turn of events. When the Weather Channel’s Brian Norcross told MSNBC that forecasters had been expecting the first hurricane to make landfall in New York City since 1893—“and it didn’t happen”—anchor Alex Witt was openly skeptical.

“Really, Brian?” she asked. Hadn’t Irene technically still been a hurricane when it came ashore in New York an hour earlier? “Can’t we still go with that?”

No, Norcross said.

With not much to report on the island of Manhattan, the cable news channels switched to places like Long Beach, Long Island, where such correspondents as NBC’s Al Roker and CNN’s John King delivered their wind-whipped reports. “It looks pretty hurricane-ish to me,” Fox anchor Shep Smith said as reporter Jonathan Hunt, British and breathless, showed a hotel parking lot under a foot and a half of water.

Long Beach, it should be noted, is a narrow barrier island three feet above sea level and prone to flooding.



Someone has to say it: cable news was utterly swept away by the notion that Irene would turn out to be Armageddon. National news organizations morphed into local eyewitness-news operations, going wall to wall for days with dire warnings about what would turn out to be a Category 1 hurricane, the lowest possible ranking. “Cable news is scaring the crap out of me, and I WORK in cable news,” Bloomberg correspondent Lizzie O’Leary tweeted.

I say this with all due respect to the millions who were left without power, to those communities facing flooding problems, and of course to the families of the 11 people (at last count) who lost their lives in storm-related accidents.

And I take nothing away from the journalists who worked around the clock, many braving the elements, to cover a hurricane that was sweeping its way from North Carolina to New England.

But the tsunami of hype on this story was relentless, a Category 5 performance that was driven in large measure by ratings. Every producer knew that to abandon the coverage even briefly—say, to cover the continued fighting in Libya—was to risk driving viewers elsewhere. Websites, too, were running dramatic headlines even as it became apparent that the storm wasn’t as powerful as advertised.

The fact that New York, home to the nation’s top news outlets, was directly in the storm’s path clearly fed this story-on-steroids. Does anyone seriously believe the hurricane would have drawn the same level of coverage if it had been bearing down on, say, Ft. Lauderdale?

The symbiotic relationship between television and local officials played a huge role. Chris Christie, the New Jersey governor who was all over television on Sunday morning, had drawn saturation coverage with his blunt warnings to “get the hell off the beach.” New York’s mayor, Michael Bloomberg, who ordered evacuations of low-lying areas, has been a constant presence. President Obama and FEMA officials made sure to generate their share of news as well.
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As the storm weakened, a tone of reality crept into the live reports. After heading to Battery Park, on the low-lying southern tip of Manhattan, CNN’s Anderson Cooper said: “There has been some flooding—not a huge amount of flooding, and some of the water is already starting to recede … It’s actually not bad at all.”

But there is always the prospect that something bad might happen soon. “Is Wall Street going to open tomorrow?” business correspondent Bob Pisani asked on MSNBC, the towers of the financial district behind him.

Hurricanes are unpredictable, and it’s a great relief that the prophets of doom were wrong about Hurricane Irene. But don’t expect the cable networks to downgrade their coverage the next time a tropical storm gathers strength.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/28/hurricane-irene-hype-how-the-media-went-overboard.html.html

Kurtz is correct here, as am I....
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 08:39 pm
@hawkeye10,
WOW, Bloomberg even admits to being an "if it saves just one life" clown

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The mayor of New York, Michael Bloomberg, defended the mass evacuation and the dramatic warnings.

"We were unwilling to risk the life of a single New Yorker. The bottom line is that I would make the same decisions again, without hesitation. We can't just, when a hurricane is coming, get out of the way and hope for the best," he said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/28/hurricane-irene-evacuation-michael-bloomberg

Wonder how many hundreds of millions of dollars the shutdown cost America??
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New York Transit Shutdown Costs City $1 Billion

New York’s subway and buses ground to a halt for two and a half days in December 2005 as a result of a worker strike.  The New York City comptroller’s office predicted the shutdown would cost the city as much as $1.6 billion in economic activity if service had been compromised for a full week.  As it was, the city lost approximately $400 million the first day and $300 million each of the next two days.  The loss was largely due to cancellations of economic activity and lost productivity as the city adjusted to alternative means of transportation.   

This economic impact was felt even though the city expected the strike and put contingency plans into effect.  New Yorkers carpooled, took taxis and used the commuter rails to get to work.  Thousands of New Yorkers also walked to their destinations.  
http://www.artba.org/Economics/Econ-Breakouts/04_EconomicImpactInterruptedService.pdf

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 08:56 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Yeah you win, but everyone still thinks you're an idiot.
How does that work?
HAY! Where the hell do u get off, representing ME?????
The NERVE of some people! Speak for yourself.

I remain absolutely certain
that Hawkeye has an I.Q. that is WELL ABOVE age 3.
He may be strange sometimes (not all the time), but he is NOT an "idiot".

I suspect that Izzy's definition of "idiot"
is everyone who does not agree with HIM.





David
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 08:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
Bloomberg still exaggerating as of 2:45 eastern standard time....

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This morning, as you know, Hurricane Irene hit New York City. The good news is the worst is over, and we will soon move to restore and return mode. The tides were heading towards low tide, and as you all know the backside of a low pressure area comes up the east coast where winds will force the waters away from the coast, so the dangers of additional flooding have been eliminated, and the existing flooding should start to go down.
"We do not yet know the full extent of the damaged caused by the Category 1 storm, but so far, as I said earlier, there is no confirmation of deaths or injuries from the storm. We are really very grateful for that. We are seeing some very serious consequences of the storm, including flooding, downed trees, and power outages.


http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/08/latest_remarks_on_hurricane_ir.html

The Great NEW YORK CITY ground to a halt because of a TROPICAL STORM, not a hurricane....lets gets some basic facts correct, shall we..

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 09:03 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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I suspect that Izzy's definition of "idiot"
is everyone who does not agree with HIM.

Yep, that is pretty much how he rolls..
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 09:12 pm
@hawkeye10,
I wonder if Leno & Letterman will do something with it.





David
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 09:15 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Cooper asked CNN Meteorologist Chad Myers what had become of the dire forecasts that envisioned gleaming office buildings swaying as flood waters spilled into lower Manhattan.
Myers said that when Hurricane Irene smashed into the Outer Banks of North Carolina, that contact weakened the storm.
"It literally knocked the stuffing out of the eye," Myers said. "It never got its mojo back."
Meteorologists measured pressure levels inside the storm that could have allowed it to strengthen back into a Category 3 hurricane, Myers said, but Irene's romp over land in North Carolina prevented the eye wall from spinning into a more destructive storm by the time it arrived in New York.
"It never had that opportunity because North Carolina got in the way, dry air came across over Virginia and Maryland and got in the way, and although this was very low pressure, the reason why we could never let the guard down for New York City ... was because the pressure was low enough that at any time, if this storm decided to get its act together, it could have gone from a 60-70-80 miles per hour storm -- it easily could have been a 110 (miles per hour) storm like it was in the Caribbean and like it was in the Bahamas."


http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/28/irene.how.bad/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Of course he works for one of the prime peddlers of hysteria for profit so one might suspect that he is making excuses. ...I wonder if we might get a second opinion because I have never heard of a hurricane reforming over land, nor one that does so when it is so far north and into colder water.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 09:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
On Friday nite, my estimate of the situation
was similar to yours. I deemed it odd,
that I found no one on TV expressing that vu point.

I called some friends, who I found to agree
that by the time it hit NY, it 'd be downgraded to a T.S.
whose winds were not out-of-line with other storms
we 've had relatively uneventfully.

We did have some flooding, but that has not been unheard of.

A friend of mine called, fearful of property in his basement
being destroyed by flooding. His pumps were not keeping up,
around maybe 2AM, and thay said that when Irene arrived
the rain 'd be 4 times as bad. An elderly lady called,
telling me that she 'd paid $1,OOO to have the chattel
in her 11th floor apt. covered. I deemed it not well spent.
I expected her windows to remain intact.
She called back today: no harm done.





David
hawkeye10
 
  -3  
Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 09:27 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
On Friday nite, my estimate of the situation
was similar to yours. I deemed it odd,
that I found no one on TV expressing that vu point.


Deja vu ...do you remember back to the days when the media was selling us on an invasion of Iraq???

The learning curve of America is painfully slow...
OmSigDAVID
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 09:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
David wrote:
On Friday nite, my estimate of the situation
was similar to yours. I deemed it odd,
that I found no one on TV expressing that vu point.
hawkeye10 wrote:
Deja vu ...do you remember back to the days
when the media was selling us on an invasion of Iraq???

The learning curve of America is painfully slow...
I remember the days.
I was among the pro-invasion supporters, for safety's sake.
I knew that Saddam was a vindictive homicidal maniac (since age 10)
with a grudge against us (for kicking him out of Kuwait)
and with half starving Russians next door,
from whom to buy mini-nukes, with his oil money.

Living in a port city, as I do,
I felt ill at ease at the prospect of having him detonate
a nuke on an approaching little boat, near any American port city,
but enuf is enuf; Saddam & sons r dead enuf to satisfy me.
I am unsure as to the reason for our remaining there NOW
(with bipartisan support). I 'm not sure what the point is.





David
hawkeye10
 
  -2  
Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 09:55 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
The point David, is that having lived that experience only ten years ago our bull **** detectors should have screaming by Friday night...hearing all of this fear mongering with no one making any effort to fact check or give voice to any alternate view should have made everones hair stand up as it did mine and yours. Once again as it did with selling a disastrous military adventure the desires of corporate media and the politicians matched perfectly, but the truth lost. Once again we see that American journalism is on its death bed, totally unable to do its job when the corporate and political classes interests run counter to the truth.

You will see in Howard Kurtz's piece deep pessimism of ever getting healthy journalism back, at this point it is one of the great lost causes.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 10:18 pm
@hawkeye10,
(I already know I'm going to regret this, but .... Wink )

What exactly is the point you are trying to make with these multiple posts, hawkeye?

To me, it seems like you are saying that the the original mandatory evacuation requirements of parts of NYC were wrong, or an overreaction, or something .....
What do you think the government should have done differently at the time a hurricane was actually anticipated?

Or are you saying that once it became clear, sometime down the track, that the impact of Irene had weakened & would not be as severe as originally anticipated, that the government authorities should have taken some different tack? At that point. If so, what specifcally, do you think that different tack should have been?

I really doubt that anyone reads post after post, containing quote after quote from any poster trying to prove some obscure point. Sooner or later they just stop reading.
So if you could just explain, in your own words, what exactly your beef is/was with the actions the authorities took, that would be a bit of a mercy.

Quote:
Deja vu ...do you remember back to the days when the media was selling us on an invasion of Iraq???

You are seriously saying that there's some sort of similarity between the media's (dis)information about the Iraq invasion & media information regarding Hurricane Irene? If so, what sort of similarities, in your opinion?

One more question: what sort of ulterior motive could the authorities in NYC have had, in calling for evacuation, when they believed a hurricane was heading for the city? Apart from the safety of residents & saving lives.
I can understand your concerns about hysterical reporting from weather channels, but I'm not asking about that.
You seemed to be suggesting earlier (in response to a Guardian article) that the stated objective of saving lives was not a good enough reason for shutting down the city.

I would appreciate it enormously if you would simply answer my questions (highlighted in blue) in your own words & not another serious of quotes from media sources.
Because I'm not going to read post after post after post, which may or may not explain what you actually mean. And I doubt too many others will, either.




msolga
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 10:28 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Once again we see that American journalism is on its death bed, totally unable to do its job when the corporate and political classes interests run counter to the truth.

I don't understand what you're saying.
How could the "corporate and political classes" possibly have benefited from the evacuation of parts of NYC? Confused
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 10:29 pm
@msolga,
msolga, hawkeye's sole motivation in his posts is to roil the waters. He has no point to make. Seldom, if ever, has had in any of his postings. But, as they say, it takes all kinds.
msolga
 
  0  
Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 10:32 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Andrew, I am actually interested in hawkeye providing some genuine answers (which actually make some sense to the rest of us) to what he's been sprouting.
Let's not let him off the hook.

I'll be genuinely interested in hawkeye's response to the questions I've asked him.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 10:49 pm
@msolga,
Quote:
What do you think the government should have done differently at the time a hurricane was actually anticipated
The last 48 hours were blown, everyone continued to talk and prepare as if they were facing a possible cat 3 hurricane, when what they had was a cat 1 which was going to degenerate. New Jersey was right to do some of its evacuations, but few of New Yorks were.

Quote:
At that point. If so, what specifcally, do you think that different tack should have been?
The evacuations as mentioned should not have been called, because by the time they happened most of them were already known to be needless, and the shutting down of all transit of New York should have never happened, it was a senseless collapse of the will to fight the storm, unless it was all about money in which case we were lied to, because the claimed reason was all about saving lives and making getting the system back up to full speed faster.

Quote:
So if you could just explain, in your own words, what exactly your beef is/was with the actions the authorities took, that would be a bit of a mercy.
Beyond those mentioned the politicians From Obama on down in front of the camera's constantly playing up the alleged dangers of the storm to obscene levels..was wrong. The disaster relief agencies claiming that the politicians were surely right, was wrong. The weather people not raising their voices to object to the hysteria when they knew that their worse case projections were not in fact of the "never before seen" variety that the fear mongers were selling. or New York their top wind projection was 70 mph gust, their storm surge projection was well below the protections of manhatten, and their rain projection was for at most 8 inches it two day-. These were substantially off on the high side (Central park had gusts 40mph, rain 6.5 inch and the storm surge was not 5 foot but 3.5 foot )

Quote:
You are seriously saying that there's some sort of similarity between the media's (dis)information about the Iraq invasion & media information regarding Hurricane Irene? If so, what sort of similarities, in your opinion
Absolutely, and I have already addressed this in an earlier post

Quote:
what sort of ulterior motive could the authorities in NYC have had, in calling for evacuation, when they believed a hurricane was heading for the city? Apart from the safety of residents & saving lives


Disasters Can Be Good for You
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They don't want to talk about it, so I will: Natural disasters can be good for politicians. For every New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, who melts down under the pressure of dealing with Hurricane Katrina, there is a Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, who stays frosty and works his White House connections to get more and more federal aid. There's an Alabama Gov. Bob Riley, who goes from being locked in a primary with Roy "Ten Commandments" Moore to basking in credit and sympathy and making his opponent totally irrelevent.

How does this work? If the governor or mayor or whoever in charge of disaster response is not incompetent, he gets to become the most visible figure in the state/city until the crisis is over. He gives commands. He shows up, khaki-clad, to disaster centers. He's the voice of authority. Just as importantly, there's no other news about his political opponents. In 2004, George W. Bush surged in Florida polls because the state was battered by four hurricanes that made Jeb Bush into a temporary warrior-king with a 2-1 approval/disapproval rating.
There aren't many elections happening on the east coast soon, but here's who stands to win if he doesn't completely screw up this weekend, in descending order of helpfulness.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/08/26/disasters_can_be_good_for_you.html

Everyone wants to be the next Rudy Giuliani, a beat up and nearly washed out local politician who took command of a disaster and road it to national acclaim..... being out in front of the cameras and commanding the troops and the peasants at time of crisis is the modern template for successful political brand marketing. But you have to have commands to give, you have aggressively take command of your battle space for the branding to work, you have to do stuff. Sometimes the stuff the politicians decide to do did not need to be done, and sometimes it harms the rest of us, sometimes leaving it alone is the best call.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 11:34 pm
Is a subway where you really want to be in the possible event of flooding and the likely event of power failure. Sounds very much like jumping into an elevator when the building is on fire.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 11:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
The last 48 hours were blown, everyone continued to talk and prepare as if they were facing a possible cat 3 hurricane, when what they had was a cat 1 which was going to degenerate. New Jersey was right to do some of its evacuations, but few of New Yorks were.

No, I asked:
Quote:
What do you think the government should have done differently at the time a hurricane was actually anticipated?

Not the last 48 hours.
Could you answer the question, please?
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The evacuations as mentioned should not have been called ...

According to you.
But you still haven't explained why you hold that view. Or held that view right from the start apparently, when no one could have accurately predicted what was to occur later on. (See above)

Quote:
..... because by the time they happened most of them were already known to be needless, and the shutting down of all transit of New York should have never happened,it was a senseless collapse of the will to fight the storm, unless it was all about money in which case we were lied to, because the claimed reason was all about saving lives and making getting the system back up to full speed faster.

I still don't understand the part about "money".
Who, exactly, would have gained financially from the transit system being closed down? Confused
Whose "will to fight the storm"? And how would they "fight" it exactly? Especially if it had turned out to be a full-blown hurricane, as originally predicted?Confused

Quote:
Beyond those mentioned the politicians From Obama on down in front of the camera's constantly playing up the alleged dangers of the storm to obscene levels..was wrong. The disaster relief agencies claiming that the politicians were surely right, was wrong. The weather people not raising their voices to object to the hysteria when they knew that their worse case projections were not in fact of the "never before seen" variety that the fear mongers were selling. or New York their top wind projection was 70 mph gust, their storm surge projection was well below the protections of manhatten, and their rain projection was for at most 8 inches it two day-. These were substantially off on the high side (Central park had gusts 40mph, rain 6.5 inch and the storm surge was not 5 foot but 3.5 foot )

Maybe the weather people didn't think it was "hysteria" at the time of the initial warnings? Ditto the disaster relief agencies.
I can understand your annoyance at the "fear mongers" in the media, but that wasn't what I was asking about. Which was the authorities.
It is really easy to be wise after the event. Who could have known at the time of the initial warnings how Irene would develop?

I asked:

Quote:
You are seriously saying that there's some sort of similarity between the media's (dis)information about the Iraq invasion & media information regarding Hurricane Irene? If so, what sort of similarities, in your opinion

And you're saying this is your answer? Neutral


Quote:
The point David, is that having lived that experience only ten years ago our bull **** detectors should have screaming by Friday night...hearing all of this fear mongering with no one making any effort to fact check or give voice to any alternate view should have made everones hair stand up as it did mine and yours. Once again as it did with selling a disastrous military adventure the desires of corporate media and the politicians matched perfectly, but the truth lost. Once again we see that American journalism is on its death bed, totally unable to do its job when the corporate and political classes interests run counter to the truth.

You will see in Howard Kurtz's piece deep pessimism of ever getting healthy journalism back, at this point it is one of the great lost causes.

What can I say?
It sounds rather paranoid to me, to say the least, to compare media reporting on the Iraq invasion with that of Hurricane Irene.
Once again I'll ask:
How exactly did the "the corporate and political classes" benefit from what you describe as disinformation about Irene?
I can understand about Iraq, but really, your analogy with Irene sounds really far fetched & rather odd.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2011 02:16 am
@hawkeye10,
As of Friday nite, maybe Thursday,
I thawt the data that were offered
did not lead to the inflamatory conclusions
expressed by the media; struck me as an implausible non-sequitur.

This was unrelated to the need to remove Saddam,
which I favored and which Bush shoud have taken care of the FIRST
time around instead of (as George Patton used to put it: paying for the same real estate 2ice).





David
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