Obunga: Palestine must be based on 67 borders........

Here idiot.

TO DEFEND Israel today is to be either callous or wilfully ignorant.

Had Julie Burchill bothered during her visit there to cross the few miles from Israel to Gaza or the West Bank, she would have seen such human suffering as to disturb even her frenetic adulation of Israel. She might have seen the daily lot of nearly three million Palestinians as they battle with army checkpoints, curfews, random shootings, arbitrary arrests and air raids.

Since September 2000, Israel has killed more than 660 Palestinian children and wounded 9,000 — such as little Iman, sprayed with bullets when walking to school in Rafah last month, even after she died.

It is difficult to convey the scale and effect of Israel’s abuses of Palestinian lives through statistics alone. But these are horrifying enough: since 2000, nearly 4,000 Palestinians killed, and 30,000 injured; 400 were assassinated; and 25,000 homes were demolished. In addition, hundreds of acres of farmland were destroyed. No state on earth, except Israel, could get away with these atrocities, now routinely justified as “defence” against Palestinian “ terrorism”.

The truth is that the West, which created Israel, cannot bear to see what it has done.

Most Palestinians are Muslims who do not accept the Biblical version of events. So why were they sacrificed to assuage European guilt and fulfil Zionist ambitions?

The web is full of videos of the IDF abusing, torturing and killing Palestinian
men, women and children many of the videos uploaded by the IDF soldiers themselves
as if their proud of their brutality.

Now i know this means nothing to you O because to you Palestinians are sub
human or even animals, a lot like the way the Nazi's viewed the Jews.

Unlike you I acknowledge there are two sides to this conflict, and neither side is free from blame.

I am in no doubt the Palestinians have also committed atrocities. But it's sticks and stones against tanks and F-19's.

Anyway I am in no doubt none of this will mean anything to a demi-god like yourself.

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Obama's anti-Semitism has pretty much ended any chance of a viable peace process this generation

I think it is his knee jerk instinct to love victims and to hate those whom come across as abusers, that it has nothing to do with being Jewish and everything to do with how the state and peoples of Israel have conducted themselves.

I am actually almost ready to approve of Israel being rubbed off of the map, but then I am not advertising myself as being a moderator of the conflict either.

The fact that Israel defends themselves when Palestinians try to murder them does not mean that Israel is conducting themselves in any untoward manner.

Did oralloy PM you to come and create a diversion for him, Hawk?

At the worst all they'd have to do is fire all their atomic warheads into Islamic population centers.

Nothing will happen until many more Americans realise that uncritical support of Israel is not in America's interests.

Until it does Israel will continue acting without restraint, including acts of piracy against a Turkish flagged ship.

So much for NATO.

I'm not the person who has espoused Nazi-like views in the thread.

"Children" is a Palestinian codeword for a 16-year-old who was killed while firing a machinegun at Israeli soldiers.

Self defense is indeed justified, even when it's a Jew who is defending themselves.

It is neither an "atrocity" nor an "abuse" when a Jew defends themselves from a murderer.

Fake videos. Anti-Semitic propaganda.

And the suicide bombs and artillery fire that the Palestinians use to try to kill innocent Israelis are hardly sticks and stones.

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Egypt knows that they'll be squashed like a bug if they start a war with Israel.

And you dont think that recent Israeli military bungling in Lebanon and the occupied territories changed the calculus somewhat?

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Obama's vision was to screw them over and impose an unfair deal on them

that depends upon your read of what fair is.....

Oralloy wrote:

The fact that Israel defends themselves when Palestinians try to murder them does not mean that Israel is conducting themselves in any untoward manner.

You are aware I hope that much of the world has already made up its minds, that Israel is deemed to be an abuser....right? Surely you are enough aware of the current state of Western Culture to understand how damning this is.

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I'm not the person who has espoused Nazi-like views in the thread.

Yes you are, you'd make a great Nazi.

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"Children" is a Palestinian codeword for a 16-year-old who was killed while firing a machinegun at Israeli soldiers.

More insanity, even an Israeli would be embarrassed with the crap you spout.

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Self defense is indeed justified, even when it's a Jew who is defending themselves.

What a twist, of course Israeli's are entitled to defend themselves, but there is such a thing as overkill, collective punishment of millions for the actions of a few thousand cannot be justified in a civilised society

and are not the Palestinians also entitled to defend themselves from Israeli brutality.

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It is neither an "atrocity" nor an "abuse" when a Jew defends themselves from a murderer.

So was it alright when the Nazi's wiped out entire villages across Europe in retaliation for the murder of one or so of their soldiers.
Collective punishment is a war crime.

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Fake videos. Anti-Semitic propaganda.

You are delusional.

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And the suicide bombs and artillery fire that the Palestinians use to try to kill innocent Israelis are hardly sticks and stones.

It might be difficult for you but try and compare the figures of dead and injured on all sides and tell me it's an even struggle.

Lastly and I wont communicate with you again, I believe you are a sad excuse for a human being, I wonder if you even have a shred of humanity and compassion in you.

Also I am in no doubt that the vast majority of decent Jewish people worldwide would be sickened and appalled at your views and that, thankfully you do not represent the majority of Jews who are hard working and honest decent people.

I might add, much like the fact that the vast majority of Palestinian people, whom you think of as sub human, are also decent ordinary people who just want to provide a good life for their families and themselves.

I pity you, you monster.

I'd feel no qualms whatsoever about eliminating the population of that country in order to defend Israel.

Going back to what you said earlier about being amazed that Netanyahu stuck two fingers up at Obama,(or would that be one finger, Obama being American, it's probably something to do with the exchange rate). netanyahu doesn't give a **** about anything other than his own domestic career. The last time he was pm he got kicked out for agreeing to settlement freezes.

Wikileaks has shown that whilst Palestine has bent over backwards to offer concessions Israel has never been serious about peace.

And until the West actually starts doing something concrete about Israel's continued flouting of International law, like cutting military aid, then Israel will carry on doing whatever it wants, much to the continued shame of the West.

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I'd feel no qualms whatsoever about eliminating the population of that country in order to defend Israel.

Zeich heil.

When did you first realise he was a Nazi?