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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:10 pm
@panzade,
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But seriously. I gotta give you credit for posting some really well-written articles that generally blow your kayak out of the water.
I would be more impressed if you could see your way clear to give me credit for being open minded or for encouraging people to make up their own minds. It seems that you are not big enough though....
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:14 pm
@spendius,
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Why do lawyers have a time-clock on their desk? What was their reason for studying those fusty old law books into the wee hours? I bet these three lawyers don't go jumping all over a sexual assault case in Harlem. Or Cottage Grove Oregon. Be as naive as you like ff but don't expect us to be.


Come on the world or at least Firefly world is full of lawyers that will spend hundred of hours of billable time to protect a maid good name in a rape case.

She can not be that naive so she must be of the opinion that if she keep repeating nonsense often enough we will buy into it

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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Would you care to enlighten as to whether NY law allows a criminal judge to impose restitution payments into the sentence...

Of course a judge can order restitution, but only when the complainant has suffered some type of economic loss. Unless I'm missing something, there's no economic loss here, so there's no basis for restitution.

hawkeye10 wrote:
...and if he can further prevent flight until the the sentence is complied with?

I don't understand your question. You mean if the court ordered only restitution? Like I said, that wouldn't happen. On the other hand, if the court ordered restitution in addition to imprisonment, there's a very easy way in which the court could prevent the defendant's flight. It's called "prison."
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:27 pm
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MIDTOWN — The Pierre Hotel decided Tuesday it would hand out panic alarms to housekeepers after the latest incident of alleged sexual abuse involving guests.
The swank hotel acted after Egyptian businessman Mahmoud Abdel-Salam Omar was charged Monday with sexual abuse. He allegedly attacked a 44-year-old maid who came to his room to deliver a box of tissues Sunday evening, sources said.
The incident was not reported until Monday morning and the supervisor on duty at the time was suspended amid questions as to why police were not called.
The alleged attack comes just two weeks after Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the former head of the International Monetary Fund, was charged with brutally assaulting a maid in Midtown's Sofitel hotel.
Another housekeeper at the Marriott Marquis in Times Square was also startled last week when she discovered a man hiding in the closet as she was cleaning an otherwise empty room, police said. The woman was not harmed in that case.
"There’s a very serious workplace safety problem for the workers," said State Assemblyman Rory Lancman, chair of the Subcommittee on Workplace Safety, who has introduced legislation that would force hotels to equip housekeeping staff entering rooms with "panic alert" devices in case of emergencies.
"You could go to any hotel in the City of New York and they will all have their stories of being inappropriately touched or propositioned," Lancman said, adding the recent incidents "happen frequently enough and are serious enough" to warrant immediate action.
Even without legislation, hotels are taking heightened efforts to prevent additional headlines.
The Pierre also plans to provide additional sexual harassment training to room attendants and managers and has instructed its human resources department to meet with each employee individually to discuss questions and concerns.
Staff have also been instructed to leave rooms immediately if they feel uncomfortable or unsafe and to report any incidents directly to supervisors.
"The Pierre has a zero tolerance for inappropriate guest behavior," the hotel said in a statement, adding that, "We take all complaints very seriously and investigate thoroughly."
At the Sofitel Hotel in Midtown, management has been more tight-lipped about possible changes. It did confirm that female staffers have been permitted to replace their once-mandatory "apron-style dress[es]" for trousers and tunics.


Read more: http://www.dnainfo.com/20110531/midtown/pierre-hotel-hands-out-panic-buttons-maids#ixzz1O3PaduIl


It seems that we are supposed to believe that men routinely attack hotel maids, and that they almost always get away with it because the maids are underclass. Given the nature of the "justice" system where there is big money to be made by suing hotel operators and hotel guests if this were so this is impossible to believe. Lawyers of the ambulance chancing variety long ago would have found out this revenue stream. We also must consider the likelihood the many of the maids at the flop hotels are illegal, and that by claiming sexual assault their threat of deportation is lifted, so they have massive incentive to report sexual assault.
Irishk
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:30 pm
@hawkeye10,
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How short this skirt is I would like to know.

What difference would that make? Would knee-length or below signal a red light that no grabbing was allowed? Would above-knee length magically give a hotel guest a green light to assault a hotel employee?

How about a respecting what should be obvious?
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:32 pm
@spendius,
A devout Muslim who does not go near a mosque how strange........

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/19/uk-strausskahn-scene-idUSLNE74I04U20110519

LOW-KEY EXISTENCE

Other details of the woman's existence remain mysterious. Leaders of an organization that supports immigrants from a specific region in the woman's native Guinea in West Africa are trying to contact her to offer their help.

"She came to our attention on the news," said Mamadousidy Barry, 38, a spokesman for the organization called Pottalfiibhantal.

Barry believes the woman is from the region Pottalfiibhantal focuses on: Fouta Djallon, in central Guinea.

But the leader of the mosque where Pottalfiibhantal operates has said he does not know her. She was not actively involved in the Muslim community which people in the neighbourhood say should have been hers, based on her native region.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:33 pm
@Irishk,
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What difference would that make? Would knee-length or below signal a red light that no grabbing was allowed? Would above-knee length magically give a hotel guest a green light to assault a hotel employee?
Why did the hotel decide that maids would be safer in pants and so after the DSK event now lets them wear them? It seems to be that the hotel is admitting that its uniform is sexually suggestive, so OK, lets see the uniform....let us see how sexually suggestive this alleged devote muslim was willing to be for a $60K a year pay package.
Irishk
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
I see. You're one of those that thinks, "Well, the way she was dressed, she was just asking for it". Figures.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:37 pm
@BillRM,
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But the leader of the mosque where Pottalfiibhantal operates has said he does not know her. She was not actively involved in the Muslim community which people in the neighbourhood say should have been hers, based on her native region.
DSK's investigators will get to the bottom of this.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:39 pm
@Irishk,
Irishk wrote:

I see. You're one of those that thinks, "Well, the way she was dressed, she was just asking for it". Figures.
You are having comprehension difficulties, it was Accor who suggested this when they allowed maids to wear pants and used the DSK event as justification. I want to know how slutty this alleged devote Muslim was willing to dress for money.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:39 pm
@hawkeye10,
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It seems that we are supposed to believe that men routinely attack hotel maids, and that they almost always get away with it because the maids are underclass.


If never hurt to made wild claims as most people will not engage their brains and look at how likely those claims are.

One in four college women are sexually attacks during their college years is repeated over and over as fact.

Never mind that would be many times the numbers of totally reported rape for the whole nation of women college and non-college, old and young married or single.
panzade
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
It seems that you are not big enough though....

You're wrong. That is what I was implying

I'd best say it with more gusto.

I give you credit for trying to encourage people to make up their own minds and some of the posts you dig up certainly don't do your arguments any good.

But you know what?

I know I've said this a few times before; perhaps in the rape thread. Saying I'm not big enough was rather unfair. Perhaps you were suffering from a spot of avoir le cafard
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Irishk
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:42 pm
@hawkeye10,
You're the one who wants to 'see just how short that skirt was'.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:43 pm
@BillRM,
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If never hurt to made wild claims as most people will not engage their brains and look at how likely those claims are.
It is alarming that Americans are so willing to believe that vast numbers of men are scum. We should be offended, and should take pains to set the record straight.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:44 pm
@Irishk,
I think Hawkeye was relating how liking that a devout Muslim woman would be willing to work in a placed that require short skirts.

The claimed here by Firefly without any known foundation is that the lady is a devout Muslim.

spendius
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
It was a terrible translation hawk and all the more dangerous for being so.

I read of a case in Borneo where the European authorities charged a man with killing and eating his grandmother which was a perfectly normal thing for him to have done. But there was nobody who could speak his language. There were hundreds of different languages in Borneo then. Eventually they found a cook who did understand his dialect but nobody understood his language either. Then somebody was found who could understand the cook's language. But he couldn't speak Dutch. After getting this lot into court and the Dutch judge asking a question of a translator of the third guy's language, who then asked the cook who translated it for the accused and then the cook translated his answer for the third guy who translated it for the official translator who told the judge what it was in Dutch--as I say--after this process went on for a bit the judge gave up and told the official translator to tell the third guy to tell the cook to tell the accused that he was going to give him a second chance and not to eat anymore grandmothers in future.

I think this case has intimations of that sort of thing. But hey--as long as everybody is getting well paid and avoiding any distasteful productive work I suppose its alright. And the important message is reinforced that the bestiality of men is utterly disgusting.

I wonder if Joe could explain the Borneo case more clearly than I can.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:45 pm
@Irishk,
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I see. You're one of those that thinks, "Well, the way she was dressed, she was just asking for it". Figures.


Another woman willing to be as dishonest as Firefly amazing.
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Irishk
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:46 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I want to know how slutty this alleged devote Muslim was willing to dress for money.

And you think you're the most qualified to be the judge of that?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:47 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Joe give no link just claim we are wrong and know nothing on the subject at hand.

http://able2know.org/topic/172134-85#post-4626583

A settlement of a civil suit cannot be conditioned on the dropping of criminal charges. In fact, it is unethical for a lawyer even to propose such a settlement, and doing so could result in disbarment. Furthermore, the complainant is not "in charge" of the criminal case. A criminal case is brought by the state, not by the victim. As such, the complainant couldn't "make the criminal charges go away" even if she wanted to.
panzade
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 01:49 pm
@BillRM,
The claimed here by Firefly without any known foundation is that the lady is a devout Muslim.

Whether she is devout or not is immaterial. If you'd read High Seas post you would understand her background
 

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