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Osama Bin Laden is dead

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 10:27 am
@BillRM,
That's just what one would expect from a "rule of law" country, isn't it, Bill?

Did you see this?

Quote:

Noam Chomsky: My Reaction to Osama bin Laden’s Death

We might ask ourselves how we would be reacting if Iraqi commandos landed at George W. Bush’s compound, assassinated him, and dumped his body in the Atlantic.

By Noam Chomsky

May 07, 2011 "Guernica" --- It’s increasingly clear that the operation was a planned assassination, multiply violating elementary norms of international law. There appears to have been no attempt to apprehend the unarmed victim, as presumably could have been done by 80 commandos facing virtually no opposition—except, they claim, from his wife, who lunged towards them. In societies that profess some respect for law, suspects are apprehended and brought to fair trial. I stress “suspects.” In April 2002, the head of the FBI, Robert Mueller, informed the press that after the most intensive investigation in history, the FBI could say no more than that it “believed” that the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, though implemented in the UAE and Germany. What they only believed in April 2002, they obviously didn’t know 8 months earlier, when Washington dismissed tentative offers by the Taliban (how serious, we do not know, because they were instantly dismissed) to extradite bin Laden if they were presented with evidence—which, as we soon learned, Washington didn’t have. Thus Obama was simply lying when he said, in his White House statement, that “we quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda.”

Nothing serious has been provided since. There is much talk of bin Laden’s “confession,” but that is rather like my confession that I won the Boston Marathon. He boasted of what he regarded as a great achievement.

There is also much media discussion of Washington’s anger that Pakistan didn’t turn over bin Laden, though surely elements of the military and security forces were aware of his presence in Abbottabad. Less is said about Pakistani anger that the U.S. invaded their territory to carry out a political assassination. Anti-American fervor is already very high in Pakistan, and these events are likely to exacerbate it. The decision to dump the body at sea is already, predictably, provoking both anger and skepticism in much of the Muslim world.
It’s like naming our murder weapons after victims of our crimes: Apache, Tomahawk… It’s as if the Luftwaffe were to call its fighter planes “Jew” and “Gypsy.”

We might ask ourselves how we would be reacting if Iraqi commandos landed at George W. Bush’s compound, assassinated him, and dumped his body in the Atlantic. Uncontroversially, his crimes vastly exceed bin Laden’s, and he is not a “suspect” but uncontroversially the “decider” who gave the orders to commit the “supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole” (quoting the Nuremberg Tribunal) for which Nazi criminals were hanged: the hundreds of thousands of deaths, millions of refugees, destruction of much of the country, the bitter sectarian conflict that has now spread to the rest of the region.

There’s more to say about [Cuban airline bomber Orlando] Bosch, who just died peacefully in Florida, including reference to the “Bush doctrine” that societies that harbor terrorists are as guilty as the terrorists themselves and should be treated accordingly. No one seemed to notice that Bush was calling for invasion and destruction of the U.S. and murder of its criminal president.

Same with the name, Operation Geronimo. The imperial mentality is so profound, throughout western society, that no one can perceive that they are glorifying bin Laden by identifying him with courageous resistance against genocidal invaders. It’s like naming our murder weapons after victims of our crimes: Apache, Tomahawk… It’s as if the Luftwaffe were to call its fighter planes “Jew” and “Gypsy.”

There is much more to say, but even the most obvious and elementary facts should provide us with a good deal to think about.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28045.htm

BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 10:45 am
@JTT,
So by your logic and the writer of this article a terrorist who group had proudly taken credit for killing thousands of Pakistanis as well as US citizens is entitle to the same protection and regards by the Pakistan government as their president would be.

That a non-Pakistan citizen and mass murders of not only US citizens but citizens in countries in every corner of the world and including Muslims that happen to belong to the “wrong” sec is the same as the head of state of Pakistan.

Oh I missed where the writer is claiming that there is no proof that he is a mass murder disregarding his own very proud statements otherwise.

GO USA
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 10:49 am
@BillRM,
Both your logic and your reading comprehension are terrible, Bill. From what I can discern from your reply, your knowledge of events historical is also god awful.

If you'd like to rephrase what you wrote, this time in a comprehensible reply, I'd be more than willing to discuss what the writer said.

I'd refer you to,

http://able2know.org/topic/172128-1

except that I think the language and the flow of ideas would whiz above you.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 10:54 am
@JTT,
Quote:
If you'd like to rephrase what you wrote, this time in a comprehensible reply, I'd be more than willing to discuss what the writer said.


Better hurry as I am sure they are looking at those Bin Laden donors lists by now.

You will love Cuba except in the Raines season.

BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 11:03 am
@JTT,
Bin Laden Compound Likely to Reveal Al Qaeda Contributors
Published: Tuesday, 3 May 2011 | 8:04 PM ET Text Size By: Patti Domm
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Computers taken from Osama Bin Laden's Pakistan compound could reveal a motherlode of information on Al Qaeda donors and has probably already dealt a serious blow to Al Qaeda fund raising, according to a Middle East law expert.

Georgia State University College of Law professor Jack Williams said new data, potentially in hard drives and other materials taken by the U.S. special forces, could reveal a new list of Al Qaeda contributors. Williams also works for Mesirow Financial Consulting as a senior managing director and company practice leader in investigative services.


"In many prior situations, where we have captured and/or captured and killed a high level target, particularly those who have been in place for a little while, we found computers with that type of information, and we've been able to glean a lot about the financial structure, flow of funds and the mechanisms by which Al Qaeda and groups raised funds to finance their activity," he said.

Williams said there have been at least four jihadi fatwas issued since the death of Bin Laden. While none were major, one was a fund raising plea. Fatwas are religious decrees issued by a cleric.

"I think there are going to be some companies that are concerned, not necessarily with their names showing up but with the names of their agents or vendors, suppliers or customers, on that Al Qaeda list," said Williams.


"The folks whose names are in those computers as substantial contributors to Al Qaeda causes — they nonetheless will pull back into the shadows to at least assure they don't cause any new undo attention that might be drawn to them. It will have an affect on their donor rate," said Williams.

Williams said Bin Laden was not the biggest contributor but his image was an important selling point, used around the world in places where Al Qaeda is active. "He was certainly the image around which the Al Qaeda mother ship surrounded itself. He was in a fund raising capacity both an emissary and an image," he said.

Whether pictures of Bin Laden, after he was killed, would be useful to Al Qaeda is unclear, but Williams expects the U.S. government to ultimately release them. The question authorities are grappling with is "will disclosing these pictures put more American lives at risk."

Questions? Comments? Email us at [email protected]

© 2011 CNBC.com
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 11:07 am
@izzythepush,
Thank you. Hardly brilliant. Easily found. I was too busy being the mother of toddlers then to pay much attention, despite being friends with a retired English naval officer.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 11:07 am
@BillRM,
Bill, first I asked you if that was what one should expect from a "rule of law" country - no salient reply.

Then I asked you to rephrase your questions so that they were comprehensible enough to make a reply to - no salient reply.

Please do ask again.

And you might want to check out that new thread. Feel free to ask if there are any words you don't understand or concepts that you can't grasp.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 11:07 am
@JTT,
http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article2021556.ece

American investigators are reported to be trying to identify a “golden chain” of up to 20 al-Qaeda financiers following claims that some of them visited Osama bin Laden at his Abbottabad hideout. According to a report in The Sunday Times, a “million-dollar man'' has emerged as the “prime focus'' of American authorities looking for clues to the identity of bin Laden's shadowy network of financial backers from “millions of pages'' of computer files seized from the Abbottabad compound where he was captured and killed.

“There are no doubt dozens of radical funders now worrying that their names, bank accounts or addresses will comes up in bin Laden's spreadsheets, and for good reason,” Matthew Levitt, a former intelligence official at the U.S. Treasury, told the paper citing the example of Abd al-Hamid al-Mujil, dubbed the “million-dollar man” for his alleged fund-raising skills.

One U.S. intelligence officer was reported as saying the focus of investigation was finding information about al-Qaeda's funding.

“Frankly any potential plots are likely to now be abandoned and key figures will be on the run. But the money men are people with businesses who can't up and move like that and we hope to pin down organisations we suspected as fronts,” he said.

Despite worry in diplomatic circles that a lack of trust in U.S.-Pak relations could “undermine'' investigations, David Cohen, head of the U.S. treasury department's terrorism and financial intelligence branch, was said to be hopeful that al-Qaeda's financial backers would be tracked down.

According to a senior Taliban commander, bin Laden risked meeting “money men'' in his Abbottabad compound because the organisation was in financial trouble. He suggested they were from the Gulf region.

“He [bin Laden] said fundraising was crucial but he limited the number of contributors he saw because of the risk. He was afraid these face-to-face meetings would lead his enemies to his house,” he told Newsweek.

Keywords: al-Qaeda financiers, Osama killing

plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 11:08 am
@izzythepush,
I do remember reading at the time that the Falklands were a lovely and peaceful place where the most popular entertainments were picnicking and picking teaberries.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 11:10 am
@mysteryman,
I can't believe that you are as old as you are and haven't heard the theory about Americans being Anglophiles because they are guilty about the Revolution.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 11:10 am
@BillRM,
My alias is BillRM. Wink
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 11:11 am
@plainoldme,
Quote:
the most popular entertainments were picnicking and picking teaberries
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Unlikely to be true given the millions of sheep on the island. Razz
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 11:12 am
@plainoldme,
Quote:
I can't believe that you are as old as you are and haven't heard the theory about Americans being Anglophiles because they are guilty about the Revolution
.

I am 62 and never hear such nonsense either until just now.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 11:14 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
“There are no doubt dozens of radical funders now worrying that their names, bank accounts or addresses will comes up in bin Laden's spreadsheets, and for good reason,” Matthew Levitt, a former intelligence official at the U.S. Treasury, told the paper citing the example of Abd al-Hamid al-Mujil, dubbed the “million-dollar man” for his alleged fund-raising skills.


Does the CIA go under that name or do they use some special code name for sending funds to these friends of theirs? Who's bank account do they use? Is it funneled thru GHWB or GWB or have they kept open a 'little Ronnie Reagan' account for providing funds to terrorists?
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 11:14 am
@BillRM,
At one time, it was a popular quip. There were both serious and comedic conversations about it. I guess this might be an illustration about remembering the 60s or the 70s, right?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 11:17 am
@plainoldme,
There's a book called 'The Secret Diary of Adrian Mole,' by Sue Townsend. It was very popular at one time and still has a cult following. It's the diary of a teenage nerd growing up in the 1980s. When his father hears that the Falkland Islands have been invaded by the Argentinians, he jumps out of bed in a panic. When he realises that the Falkland Islands are not off the coast of Scotland he goes back to bed. That about sums up how significant the islands were to the British psyche before the invasion.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 11:19 am
@plainoldme,
Popular quip where in the US or England?

Never hear this in my life and I grow up in the US in the 60s and visit England in the early 70s.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 11:22 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
When he realises that the Falkland Islands are not off the coast of Scotland he goes back to bed. That about sums up how significant the islands were to the British psyche before the invasion
.

The same could had been said for Hawaii before 12-07-1941.

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 11:23 am
@BillRM,
I thought you were anglophiles because of Monty Python.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 11:25 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
and I grow up in the US in the 60s


There you go again, Bill, taking serious liberties with the truth.
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