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The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

 
 
Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2021 10:06 pm
Manchin will hence forth be known as Dirty Joe Manchin. MSNBC today shined a light on why Dirty Joe wants to kill any climate provisions in the Biden’s Build Back Better Bill. Why? Dirty Joe has $492 million reasons to kill anything to do with stopping air pollution. It seems Dirty Joe has a company that is in the business of selling dirty waste coal to power plants. We do know that pollution from coal burning power plants is killing 13,000 Americans a year but Dirty Joe would not mind if it was 13 million Americans as long as he continued to make a ½ million dollars a year from waste coal.

During a democratic administration we have a fighting chance to improve the environment. The republicans have always denied global warming but now the damage caused by global warming is becoming more obvious. The democrats can make a difference but Dirty Joe is standing in the way. Dirty Joe will tell the public he is fighting inflation but we know what he is really fighting for more dirty air. Dirty Joe can destroy the democratic agenda but there is another vote coming soon and all the people in WV that he screwed over will get to cast their vote.

Today we have 51,136,442 cases of the Trump virus, yesterday we had 51,018,282 cases of the Trump virus. That means that another 118,160 Americans were diagnosed with the Trump virus today.

The death toll stands at 821,335 today, yesterday the death toll stood at 819,315. That means that another 2,020 Americans died today from the Trump virus.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2021 11:23 pm
The constitution grants every American the right for peaceful demonstrations. The National Guard had absolutely no right to abridge those rights.
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Do you go ask for permission to park at the mall?
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When the AR-15 was designed it was designed for mass murder. You don’t need to fire at a 900 round a minute to shoot one dear. If you hunted deer by the hundreds, you might have a point.
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All insurance policies have a limit and the company is responsible for any award over that limit. When you buy a company, you assume responsible accounts receivable and accounts payable. Otherwise, once a company was sued, they would simply sell all the assets.
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Since Remington made them and sold them, they are the experts selling weapons of war to the public.
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The automatics are being sold and owned today they just need to be tweaked. When Trump stages his next insurrection there will be plenty of automatics. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There are no statistics because you cannot count what you don’t know. But the.01% figure is no doubt low.
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Law abiding people will follow the law as long as they believe there is a chance of being caught. If they believe there is not a reasonable chance of being caught they don’t pay. Studies show when a price is posted for coffee at work many people avoid paying. Put a camera in and almost everyone pays.
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Criminals know the statistics and they know that there is only a 1% chance they will ever serving a day in jail for most crimes. They will laugh at the police for working for a living.
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I would not be surprised if there is a You Tube video showing people how to convert them. It might be illegal to convert them but not illegal to show people how.
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If I was going to make a change it would be to ban all guns except shotguns.
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What makes you think they don’t own them now?
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You could have a number of things that are unique but that is not why patents are granted. There has to be a major design improvement.
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The Thompson can only fire at a rate of 450 rounds improvement the AR-15 can fire twice as fast. That is why they got a patent.
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If the experts that manufactured them say they are the same guns, they are.
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They are for hunting humans and that is why the military uses them.
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What type of weapons would you buy for the battlefield? One that make mass murder possible? You would rate choices by how many kills per minute.
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Once they are converted them there is no difference between them.
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The AR-15 is a huge improvement over the Thomson that why armies no longer use Thompsons.
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Why do you think Thompsons were banned? They made too much noise?
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All insurance policies have limits and case award is likely to be more than $50 million if it falls in line with other wrongful death suits. $3.6 million won’t pay the legal costs.
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The supreme court has allowed the Texas law on abortion to go in effect and has warned people the same law can be used to eliminate the gun problem. Sine the government does not do the enforcement that eliminates the problem with banning guns. It can’t be legal for one and illegal for others.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2021 08:01 am
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
The constitution grants every American the right for peaceful demonstrations. The National Guard had absolutely no right to abridge those rights.

Kent State was hardly a peaceful demonstration. They were a bunch of violent hippies.


Zardoz wrote:
Do you go ask for permission to park at the mall?

If I'm shopping at the mall, no.

If I'm using their parking for some other purpose, yes.


Zardoz wrote:
When the AR-15 was designed it was designed for mass murder.

No it wasn't.


Zardoz wrote:
You don't need to fire at a 900 round a minute to shoot one dear.

The AR-15 does not fire at 900 rounds per minute.


Zardoz wrote:
All insurance policies have a limit and the company is responsible for any award over that limit. When you buy a company, you assume responsible accounts receivable and accounts payable. Otherwise, once a company was sued, they would simply sell all the assets.

The only way any of them are likely to get any sort of money is if they settle with the insurance companies. If the plaintiffs take this to trial, their lies about AR-15s will not stand up to scrutiny.

If I were the insurance companies, I'd refuse to settle. I'd keep appealing until I win, then seize the plaintiffs' homes and retirement accounts to pay my legal bills.


Zardoz wrote:
Since Remington made them and sold them, they are the experts selling weapons of war to the public.

Wrong. They are not weapons of war.


Zardoz wrote:
The automatics are being sold and owned today they just need to be tweaked.

Such conversions are illegal already.


Zardoz wrote:
There are no statistics because you cannot count what you don't know. But the.01% figure is no doubt low.

Such is life.


Zardoz wrote:
Law abiding people will follow the law as long as they believe there is a chance of being caught. If they believe there is not a reasonable chance of being caught they don't pay. Studies show when a price is posted for coffee at work many people avoid paying. Put a camera in and almost everyone pays.

Such is life.


Zardoz wrote:
Criminals know the statistics and they know that there is only a 1% chance they will ever serving a day in jail for most crimes. They will laugh at the police for working for a living.

Such is life.


Zardoz wrote:
I would not be surprised if there is a You Tube video showing people how to convert them. It might be illegal to convert them but not illegal to show people how.

There is. And the patterns for making the parts on 3D printers are freely available on the internet too.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/illegal-device-makes-semiautomatic-pistols-fully-automatic/2712262/


Zardoz wrote:
If I was going to make a change it would be to ban all guns except shotguns.

The NRA will not allow you to do that.

And neither will the Supreme Court. For starters, you are required to allow people to have enough firepower for effective self defense. That means allowing them to have centerfire rifles.


Zardoz wrote:
What makes you think they don't own them now?

Because they are currently illegal.


Zardoz wrote:
You could have a number of things that are unique but that is not why patents are granted.

Yes it is.


Zardoz wrote:
There has to be a major design improvement.

No there doesn't.


Zardoz wrote:
The Thompson can only fire at a rate of 450 rounds improvement the AR-15 can fire twice as fast.

No it can't.


Zardoz wrote:
That is why they got a patent.

No it isn't.


Zardoz wrote:
If the experts that manufactured them say they are the same guns, they are.

Wrong. Untrue statements from an expert do not overrule reality.


Zardoz wrote:
They are for hunting humans

Wrong. They are for hunting foxes and coyotes.


Zardoz wrote:
and that is why the military uses them.

The military doesn't use them.


Zardoz wrote:
What type of weapons would you buy for the battlefield?

Ones that are actually full auto.


Zardoz wrote:
Once they are converted them there is no difference between them.

Converting them is already illegal.


Zardoz wrote:
The AR-15 is a huge improvement over the Thomson

No it isn't.


Zardoz wrote:
that why armies no longer use Thompsons.

No it isn't.


Zardoz wrote:
Why do you think Thompsons were banned? They made too much noise?

Because they are full auto.


Zardoz wrote:
All insurance policies have limits and case award is likely to be more than $50 million if it falls in line with other wrongful death suits.

Hardly. If this goes to trial, there isn't likely to be a case award, since the case is built on lies. But it will be important to seize the plaintiffs' homes and retirement accounts to pay the insurance companies' legal bills.


Zardoz wrote:
The supreme court has allowed the Texas law on abortion to go in effect

For now.

It will likely be struck down as unconstitutional in the end.


Zardoz wrote:
Since the government does not do the enforcement that eliminates the problem with banning guns.

That is incorrect. You are still not allowed to violate people's civil liberties.


Zardoz wrote:
It can't be legal for one and illegal for others.

Sure it can be.

But I expect that the abortion lawsuit law will be struck down as unconstitutional as well.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2021 11:28 am
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
All insurance policies have a limit and the company is responsible for any award over that limit. When you buy a company, you assume responsible accounts receivable and accounts payable.

I addressed the lawsuit's likely failure previously, but there is a second point that I can make too.

RemArms (the new company) did not buy the old company. They bought the factories that make the guns, and they bought the right to use the Remington brand name.

The old company still exists as an empty husk that is completely unrelated to the new company.

Note:
Field & Stream Magazine wrote:
Q: Last question: Will my new 870 be a Remington 870 or a RemArms 870?
A: Our name is RemArms LLC, but we own the rights to call the guns "Remingtons." Your new 870 will say "Remington" on the receiver.
https://www.fieldandstream.com/guns/remington-reveals-plans-for-new-guns/


So, in the incredibly unlikely event that these people actually win their lawsuit, they can try to squeeze additional revenue out of a totally empty husk if they like, but they won't find anything there when they squeeze.

What they won't be able to do, if they win, is bother the company who bought the factories and the brand name.

And like I said in my original response, this lawsuit is based on lies and their case is likely to collapse if it goes to trial. The insurance companies should appeal until they win, and then they should seize the plaintiffs' homes and retirement accounts to pay the insurance companies' legal bills.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2021 10:11 pm
America is the richest country in the world but way too many of its children live in poverty. The school lunch program must now be extended through the summer and weekends, so the children don’t go hungry. Regan and the conservatives presided over one of the biggest wealth shifts in history, cutting the taxes on the ungodly by 70%. No country ever saw the wealth shifted so fast. When I went to school there was no program to feed children during the summer and on weekends because it was not needed.

The Build Back Better bill continues, child tax credit, the program of monthly payments to parents with children that was started six months ago. This program lifted many out of poverty. Dirty Joe is doing everything in his power to kill the bill. Dirty Joe has already amassed $5 million in campaign contributions for his 2024 reelection campaign and says he has not decided whether he will run. When you take the ungodly greedy’ money, you have to do the ungodly greedy bidding. Joe uses the excuse he is afraid of inflation, but the inflation now is the result of a supply shortage. The law of supply and demand states that when demand is higher than supply the price go up. Even with the better part of a million people dead from the Trump virus and no longer demanding anything, supply is still inadequate. This is a temporary situation when supply returns to normal prices will fall. What the ungodly greedy are afraid of is the taxes increases in the bill and they are calling in their favors.

Today we have 51,290,979 cases of the Trump virus, yesterday we had 51,136,442 cases of the Trump virus. That means that another 154,537 Americans were diagnosed with the Trump virus today.

The death toll stands at 823,390 today, yesterday the death toll stood at 821,335. That means that another 2,055 Americans died today from the Trump virus.


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Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2021 11:20 pm
@oralloy,
I will say one thing Kent State was nowhere near as violent as Trump’s insurrection and only one person was shot and killed there.
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I don’t know about you, but many people park their car at the mall and ride with others. No one I known has ever been towed.
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The AR-15 is a military weapon, and it is designed to kill as many people as fast possible.
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The AR-15 has been recorded firing at a 900 round per minute rate. It fires so fast it melts the barrel down.
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You can only appeal so many times and your appeal can be turned down. Jury awards not only actual damages but punitive damages. If the jury got one look at You Tube video of the AR-15 being fired, they would award them several $100 million.
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The people that made the AR-15 are the experts.
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Our prisons are full of people that did illegal things.
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You don’t need a 3D printer the parts are available, but they caution not to buy all the parts in the same place.
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A shot gun will stop anyone. Haven’t you heard the NRA went bankrupt and we are just waiting to see how many of the crooks go to prison. They are not stopping anyone these days.
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How many people are in prison because they did illegal things?
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I could make a number of unique statues, but none would qualify for a patent because they were not a major improvement.
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You go up and try to patent your unique statue and let me know how you make out.
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Seeing is believing but counting that fast is hard.
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You have to show that you made a major improvement in order to get a patent.
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If a qualified expert made the statement, then you would have to disprove it and you can’t.
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If the gun is designed and sold to military, we know they don’t exist to hunt deer, the military hunts humans.
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The mistake was letting them sell a weapon designed for the military to the public in the first place.
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Making a law against wife beating did not stop anyone that decided they were going to beat their wife.
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If the AR-15 was not a huge improvement the army would still be using Thompsons.
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Armies would still use the Thompsons if they were superior to the AR-15. Armies will buy the best mass murder weapons they can buy and that is the AR-15.
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And what does a full-automatic do that other guns don’t? It fires at 100s of rounds a minute.
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At some point you have to face reality, we have a mass murder problem in America, and it is the military weapons that make them possible. The legal system is designed to solve the problem.
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Trump stacked the deck and there is not a chance in hell they will overturn it. They were appointed to ban abortion, and this is their chance.
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If it works for one, it works for the other. The beauty of the Texas law is that government does not enforce it bounty hunters do. It is your neighbors who sue you for owning a gun.
You violate the very right to control their bodies.
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The supreme court has already pointed out that the Texas style law can be used for other things.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Dec, 2021 04:12 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
The AR-15 is a military weapon,

No it isn't.


Zardoz wrote:
and it is designed to kill as many people as fast possible.

No it isn't.


Zardoz wrote:
The AR-15 has been recorded firing at a 900 round per minute rate.

No it hasn't.


Zardoz wrote:
It fires so fast it melts the barrel down.

No it doesn't.


Zardoz wrote:
You can only appeal so many times

There is no such limit.


Zardoz wrote:
and your appeal can be turned down. Jury awards not only actual damages but punitive damages. If the jury got one look at You Tube video of the AR-15 being fired, they would award them several $100 million.

It is unlikely that a jury will be fooled by all the lies. And sooner or later an appeal will reach a court that is willing to address the merits of the case.

However, even if the worst happens, they are not going to squeeze any money out of an empty husk of a company that has no assets left. They will not be able to touch the new Remington, which will remain beyond the reach of the jury.


Zardoz wrote:
The people that made the AR-15 are the experts.

That does not make their untrue statements overrule reality.


Zardoz wrote:
Our prisons are full of people that did illegal things.

Which is why illegal conversions will not be a problem. All we need to do is enforce the law.


Zardoz wrote:
You don't need a 3D printer the parts are available, but they caution not to buy all the parts in the same place.

The parts are illegal.


Zardoz wrote:
A shot gun will stop anyone.

No it wont. You need a centerfire rifle to punch through Kevlar.


Zardoz wrote:
Haven't you heard the NRA went bankrupt and we are just waiting to see how many of the crooks go to prison. They are not stopping anyone these days.

Wrong. The NRA will stop you from violating people's civil liberties.


Zardoz wrote:
How many people are in prison because they did illegal things?

Enough for us to know that people get caught when they do illegal things.


Zardoz wrote:
I could make a number of unique statues, but none would qualify for a patent because they were not a major improvement.

Statues are art. Statues are not devices.


Zardoz wrote:
Seeing is believing but counting that fast is hard.

Counting shows that you are wrong. Submachine guns fire much faster than semi-auto rifles.


Zardoz wrote:
You have to show that you made a major improvement in order to get a patent.

No you don't.


Zardoz wrote:
If a qualified expert made the statement, then you would have to disprove it

No I wouldn't. There is no such requirement.


Zardoz wrote:
and you can't.

Sure I can. A semi-auto and a full-auto are not even remotely the same gun.


Zardoz wrote:
If the gun is designed and sold to military, we know they don't exist to hunt deer, the military hunts humans.

The AR-15 was not designed and sold to the military. It is used to hunt foxes and coyotes.


Zardoz wrote:
The mistake was letting them sell a weapon designed for the military to the public in the first place.

Wrong. The gun was not designed for the military.

And wrong again. There is nothing wrong with selling the public a weapon that has been designed for the military.


Zardoz wrote:
Making a law against wife beating did not stop anyone that decided they were going to beat their wife.

So it goes.


Zardoz wrote:
If the AR-15 was not a huge improvement the army would still be using Thompsons.

Wrong. The reason why they stopped using M1 Thompsons is because M3 Grease Guns are cheaper, Uzis are cheaper and more compact, and MP5s are more compact and more accurate on semi-auto.


Zardoz wrote:
Armies would still use the Thompsons if they were superior to the AR-15.

Wrong. Submachineguns are superior to semi-auto rifles.


Zardoz wrote:
Armies will buy the best mass murder weapons they can buy and that is the AR-15.

Wrong. The AR-15 is not a mass murder weapon, and armies do not buy it.


Zardoz wrote:
And what does a full-automatic do that other guns don't? It fires at 100s of rounds a minute.

That is why Tommy Guns are superior to AR-15s.


Zardoz wrote:
At some point you have to face reality, we have a mass murder problem in America, and it is the military weapons that make them possible. The legal system is designed to solve the problem.

Wrong. The AR-15 is not a military weapon, and it does not make mass murders possible.


Zardoz wrote:
Trump stacked the deck and there is not a chance in hell they will overturn it. They were appointed to ban abortion, and this is their chance.

They don't need this silly Texas law in order to ban abortion.


Zardoz wrote:
If it works for one, it works for the other.

Wrong. The courts are able to strike it down where it harms the Second Amendment.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 16 Dec, 2021 09:13 pm
QAnon has nothing on the republican party, the longer the tales come from the republicans, the more far out they are. The Chief of Staff for Paul Gosar, Republican Rep Arizona, heard that a plane from South Korea was flying into a local airport with load of fake Biden ballots on election night. They went to the airport and found a plane from a South Korean airline and took pictures of the outside of the airplane as proof positive to be used in court. The tip came from an anonymous caller to a reporter. No doubt, the anonymous tip probably came from an inmate from the nearest mental hospital.

This is why they checked the ballots for traces of bamboo during the Arizona fraudit. It seems they did not find any bamboo. When these idiots showed up in court with the picture of the outside of a plane and claimed to be proof of election fraud the judges showed them the door. Evidently mental illness is contagious because it looks like most of the republican party caught it from Trump. It is a dangerous time for America, the republicans have reality on the run.

Today we have 51,435,652 cases of the Trump virus, yesterday we had 51,290,979 cases of the Trump virus. That means that another 144,673 Americans were diagnosed with the Trump virus today.

The death toll stands at 824,520 today, yesterday the death toll stood at 823,390. That means that another 1,130 Americans died today from the Trump virus.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 16 Dec, 2021 09:44 pm
@oralloy,
Remington Arms bought far more than just the name they purchased all the patents and gun designs owned by Remington. They want to be recognized as continuation of Remington line of products. That was the most valuable part of their purchase. If Remington sold their factories and they were turned into shoe factories or candle factories it would be one thing but that is not what happening here. I would check to see who the principals in the purchasing business are and would not be surprised if at least some of them were former owners. These types of schemes are common to try and avoid liability but are usually uncovered by the court.

When this lawsuit is won it will set the standard for what happens to gun manufactures who want to market weapons of war for the street. In view of the lawsuits some gun manufacturers have decided to stop selling weapons of war on the streets.

Remington will not get away with trying to hide their assets the court will see to that.

I strongly suspect that the directors of the old company and new company have many of the same faces.

The fact that two of the insurance companies have already offered $3.6 million shows that they know they are going to lose and are trying to limit their liability.

oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2021 12:07 am
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
When this lawsuit is won

There is no reason to think that the plaintiffs will win this lawsuit in the end. It is possible that they will, but they don't actually have much of a case.

In order to win, they will need to get a jury to disregard reality, and then they will need to get all the appeals courts to disregard reality as well.


Zardoz wrote:
it will set the standard for what happens to gun manufactures who want to market weapons of war for the street.

Not really. No one has marketed weapons of war for the street in 87 years. That isn't even what the lawsuit is about.

They are suing Remington for marketing their gun as a weapon of war. No one is claiming that the gun actually is a weapon of war.

If the plaintiffs win this lawsuit, it will only set the standard for manufacturers who wrongly claim that AR-15s are weapons of war. It won't stop people from selling AR-15s as hunting rifles or selling them for home defense.


Zardoz wrote:
In view of the lawsuits some gun manufacturers have decided to stop selling weapons of war on the streets.

Gun makers stopped doing that 87 years ago.


Zardoz wrote:
Remington will not get away with trying to hide their assets the court will see to that.

It is already done. The assets have been sold and are now owned by a new company that the jury will never be able to touch.


Zardoz wrote:
The fact that two of the insurance companies have already offered $3.6 million shows that they know they are going to lose and are trying to limit their liability.

The two insurance companies offered nearly $33 million. It is $3.6 million per plaintiff when divided between all the plaintiffs.

It is hard to see how this was an attempt to limit their liability. What is the insurance companies' maximum liability here? I wouldn't think that their policies' maximum coverage would go much higher than $33 million.

The insurance companies may fear that they will lose. They certainly do not know that it will happen.

The insurance companies should drop the settlement offer and fight to the end. And then they should seize the plaintiffs' homes and retirement accounts to pay the insurance companies' legal bills.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2021 08:57 pm
Dirty Joe Manchin is head of the Energy Panel and removed a portion of the Build Back Better bill that would ban offshore drilling in the Atlantic and Pacific. Dirty Joe wanted to make sure any air pollution provisions in the Build Back Better bill would have to go through his committee. Talk about the fox running the henhouse, here is a senator that makes his living selling waste coal wanting to be the decider of what air pollution regulations could be put in place. The fact that 13,000 Americans die each year from the pollution from burning coal means nothing to Dirty Joe.

They say there is more than one way to skin a cat, and in this case, Manchin knows more than one way to kill the Build Back Better bill. Dirty Joe’s now is attempting to kill it by extending the time from one year to ten years on child tax credit. If the time is extended it would consume all of the money in the Build Back Better bill effectively killing the bill.

Dirty Joe walks and talks like a true republican stating why he opposes the Build Back Better bill Manchin stated, “I don’t believe we should turn our society am entitlement society.” Where have we heard that before? It is the republican mantra you pay into social security for 50 years and when you go to get “your” money back the republicans, tax your social security on money that you paid tax on and cry about entitlement.
Dirty Joe you have been riding high but since you have come out of the closet you left no doubt which team you are playing for.

Today we have 51,610,281 cases of the Trump virus, yesterday we had 51,435,652 cases of the Trump virus. That means that another 174,629 Americans were diagnosed with the Trump virus today.

The death toll stands at 826,719 today, yesterday the death toll stood at 824,520. That means that another 2,199 Americans died today from the Trump virus.


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Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2021 11:04 pm
@oralloy,
You can claim an elephant is not an elephant but that does not make it so. The AR-15 was designed as military weapon and the experts who made it will agree. It was designed for mass murder. To give one solider the ability to slaughter as many of the enemy as possible. When a gun nut decides to see how many people he can kill, we can see how extremely effective the design is in the number of bodies left in a few minutes.
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Do you really believe that military would purchase guns based on the fewest people killed?
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The AR-15 fires bullets so fast the barrel actually melts down.
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If seeing is believing, there is a You Tube video where they show how many rounds it takes to melt the barrel down.
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You can only appeal to a higher court and there are only a few levels of courts.
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There are 26 victims here and 20 of them are small children. There is one thing a trial lawyers dreads worse than anything and that is having a small child as a victim of negligence and in this case, there are 20. Most lawyers would refuse this case even if they died in a car accident but to be slaughter like animals is a completely different problem.

Most companies when they realize they are losing a multi-million-dollar lawsuit will take steps to protect their assets and most of the time they are fraudulent schemes.
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The fact that it is the same gun. It is like Smokey Yunick told people after he lost his GMC truck dealership, Chevrolet makes the trucks and GMC makes hub caps emblems.
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The chances of being caught with a converted AR-!5 are near zero until you kill 50 school children. Being convicted after the fact is next to meaningless.
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The parts are quite legal. How are the people who have a license to own machine guns going to repair their AR-15s?
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I don’t think most criminals are going to wear bullet proof vests and a head shot would stop them.
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All of the NRA resources are going to keep those crooks out of jail. There is a recent book where an insider shows all the way the NRA was screwing its membership.
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There are crimes that are easily caught and crimes that it is extremely hard to catch. Converting AR-15s would be extremely hard to police.
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Patents are granted only for a certain number of years and the patent for the AR-15 has run out so any company can use that design. If you made a gun with a 3-foot barrel, it would be unique but would not qualify for patent because gun barrels do the same thing but come up with a way to chamber rounds at a 900 round per minute rate and you can patent that.
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The demonstration had the gun, they chambered one clip after another and could accurately count the rounds fired and the time it took to fire them.
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You could put groves down your gun barrel, but you could not patent that because it does not change the function of the barrel. Your barrel may be unique, but it did not change the function of the gun.
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We rely on experts for a reason they are far more knowledgeable about the area of expertise than the general public.
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It is the same gun only the hubcaps and emblems are different.
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As soon as the military saw the AR-15 they started ordering them. In the history there was no gun that would allow the slaughter of so many by so few. Few of these guns were sold to public to start with. Their sale picked up when the mass murders started to become common.
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The guy that designed the AR-15 was ex-military and he designed with that purpose in mind.
Nothing wrong with slaughtering 20 small children either?
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A 2021 car is far superior to a 1930 model. Guns are the same way a gun made in 1930 is not near as good as one made in 2021 but AR-15 even though it was made 50 years ago is still used today because it was such a revolutionary improvement.
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Once the AR-15 is converted it is full-automatic.
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An Army’s mission is to kill as many of the enemy as possible as quickly as possible to win the war. Mass murder is the object of war.
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The AR-15s used in the bank robbery in LA fired much faster than any Thompson ever made. The AR-15 semi-automatic and the AR-15 come down the same assembly line and use the same parts. They are the same gun with the exception of 3 tiny parts that can be changed.
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The beauty of the Texas law is it takes government out of the abortion controversy and leaves it up to bounty hunters to enforce it. This takes the supreme court out of it.
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Wrong, the government is taken out of it. It is one citizen enforcing it against each other. In this type of law, the government is not taking your gun it is your neighbor and he did not grant you a second amendment.






oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2021 04:06 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
If I was going to make a change it would be to ban all guns except shotguns.

Outlawing handguns would be yet another disaster that progressives impose on society.

Back in 1994 when progressives outlawed magazines greater than ten rounds, that resulted in a new generation of compact 9MMs. Previously 9MMs were quite large and criminals did not use them, preferring little mouse guns that didn't have much power. But when 9MMs were limited to only ten rounds that made them a lot smaller. And suddenly criminals started committing crimes with 9MMs instead of with .25s and .32s. People who used to be shot with a little mouse gun now had much lower chances of survival when they were shot with a 9MM, and it was all because of progressives and their law against large magazines.

When that happened, progressives started drafting a law requiring guns to have a certain minimum size so those little 9MMs would become illegal. That never ended up happening because the NRA backlash wiped out the progressive majority before they could pass the law. And it's a good thing that it never happened, because if a ten round 9MM had to be exactly the same size as a ten round .45, no one would buy 9MMs anymore. Criminals would have started committing their crimes with .45s instead of with 9MMs. Even more people would have died if criminals had started widely using .45s.

If all handguns are outlawed altogether, criminals will start using sawed-off shotguns to commit their crimes.

If you think the increase from "criminals with .32s" to "criminals with 9MMs" was bad, having criminals shooting people with 12 gauge sawed-off shotguns will be really really bad.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2021 06:12 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
You can claim an elephant is not an elephant but that does not make it so.

That's why your claims about AR-15s are untrue.


Zardoz wrote:
The AR-15 was designed as military weapon

The semi-auto-only version wasn't.


Zardoz wrote:
and the experts who made it will agree.

I doubt that. But even if they did agree, that would merely make them wrong.


Zardoz wrote:
It was designed for mass murder.

The semi-auto-only version wasn't.


Zardoz wrote:
To give one solider the ability to slaughter as many of the enemy as possible.

The semi-auto-only version wasn't.


Zardoz wrote:
When a gun nut decides to see how many people he can kill, we can see how extremely effective the design is in the number of bodies left in a few minutes.

We can see that it is no different from any other semi-auto-only with a large magazine.


Zardoz wrote:
Do you really believe that military would purchase guns based on the fewest people killed?

The military doesn't equip soldiers with semi-auto-only AR-15s.


Zardoz wrote:
The AR-15 fires bullets so fast the barrel actually melts down.

The semi-auto-only version doesn't.


Zardoz wrote:
If seeing is believing, there is a You Tube video where they show how many rounds it takes to melt the barrel down.

There are no videos of a semi-auto-only weapon firing that fast.


Zardoz wrote:
You can only appeal to a higher court and there are only a few levels of courts.

Appeals often go up and down those levels of courts several times.


Zardoz wrote:
There are 26 victims here and 20 of them are small children. There is one thing a trial lawyers dreads worse than anything and that is having a small child as a victim of negligence and in this case, there are 20. Most lawyers would refuse this case even if they died in a car accident but to be slaughter like animals is a completely different problem.

That does not change the reality that the plaintiffs have no case. They are claiming that Remington's advertising made this kid carry out the shooting. They can't even show that the kid saw Remington's advertising. And the notion that this kid would never have picked up a gun and killed people if not for Remington's advertising is preposterous.

Maybe they can get a jury to disregard reality. And maybe they can get every appeals court to disregard reality. But it is by no means assured.


Zardoz wrote:
Most companies when they realize they are losing a multi-million-dollar lawsuit will take steps to protect their assets and most of the time they are fraudulent schemes.

No fraud in this case. Remington went bankrupt because their previous owners did not care about making good guns. Now they have new owners, and those new owners cannot be touched by this lawsuit.

But that doesn't mean that the insurance companies shouldn't keep fighting and appealing, and then seize the plaintiffs' homes and retirement accounts to pay their legal bills after they win.


Zardoz wrote:
The fact that it is the same gun. It is like Smokey Yunick told people after he lost his GMC truck dealership, Chevrolet makes the trucks and GMC makes hub caps emblems.

A semi-auto-only is not the same gun as a full-auto.


Zardoz wrote:
The chances of being caught with a converted AR-15 are near zero until you kill 50 school children. Being convicted after the fact is next to meaningless.

No one has ever slaughtered schoolchildren with a gun that was converted to full-auto.


Zardoz wrote:
The parts are quite legal.

Unless you are a licensed machine gun dealer, you will get ten years in federal prison for possessing those parts.


Zardoz wrote:
How are the people who have a license to own machine guns going to repair their AR-15s?

If someone legally possesses machine guns then it is unlikely that they have any semi-auto-only AR-15s.


Zardoz wrote:
I don't think most criminals are going to wear bullet proof vests

Your beliefs are not going to help anyone who is being attacked by criminals in body armor.


Zardoz wrote:
and a head shot would stop them.

Head shots are not realistic.


Zardoz wrote:
All of the NRA resources are going to keep those crooks out of jail. There is a recent book where an insider shows all the way the NRA was screwing its membership.

The attacks against the NRA are merely leftist propaganda.

The NRA continues to prevent the left from violating people's civil liberties.


Zardoz wrote:
There are crimes that are easily caught and crimes that it is extremely hard to catch. Converting AR-15s would be extremely hard to police.

The police don't seem to be having much trouble catching people so far.


Zardoz wrote:
If you made a gun with a 3-foot barrel, it would be unique

No it wouldn't.


Zardoz wrote:
but would not qualify for patent because gun barrels do the same thing but come up with a way to chamber rounds at a 900 round per minute rate and you can patent that.

Machine guns have been firing at 1500 rounds per minute since 1942. Firing at 900 rounds per minute is just as ordinary as having a long barrel.


Zardoz wrote:
The demonstration had the gun, they chambered one clip after another and could accurately count the rounds fired and the time it took to fire them.

And the submachine guns fired much faster than any semi-auto-only weapon.


Zardoz wrote:
You could put groves down your gun barrel, but you could not patent that because it does not change the function of the barrel. Your barrel may be unique, but it did not change the function of the gun.

If you had been the original inventor of rifling way back when, you could certainly have patented that. Rifling makes a huge difference compared to smooth bore guns.


Zardoz wrote:
We rely on experts for a reason they are far more knowledgeable about the area of expertise than the general public.

That does not mean that untrue statements from experts overrule reality.

And I doubt that you can provide any experts who say that semi-auto-only guns fire faster than submachine guns.


Zardoz wrote:
It is the same gun only the hubcaps and emblems are different.

Semi-auto-only guns are not the same as full-auto guns.


Zardoz wrote:
As soon as the military saw the AR-15 they started ordering them.

The US military did not order any semi-auto-only AR-15s.


Zardoz wrote:
In the history there was no gun that would allow the slaughter of so many by so few.

A German WWII MG42 would be much deadlier. Not only does it fire at a faster rate, it fires more powerful rounds. And being belt fed, it would be possible to fire off a lot of rounds before you needed to stop and quick-change the barrel.


Zardoz wrote:
The guy that designed the AR-15 was ex-military and he designed with that purpose in mind.

He did not design semi-auto-only guns with any such purpose.

Not that it would matter even if he had done so.


Zardoz wrote:
Nothing wrong with slaughtering 20 small children either?

Murder remains a very serious crime.


Zardoz wrote:
A 2021 car is far superior to a 1930 model.

A 2021 children's tricycle is not superior to a 1930 car.


Zardoz wrote:
Guns are the same way a gun made in 1930 is not near as good as one made in 2021

Full-autos that are made in 2021 are outlawed by the same laws that outlaw full-autos that were made in 1930.


Zardoz wrote:
but AR-15 even though it was made 50 years ago is still used today because it was such a revolutionary improvement.

The reason why they are still used is because they are a decent design that is just as good as other designs.


Zardoz wrote:
Once the AR-15 is converted it is full-automatic.

Once the AR-15 is converted it is illegal.


Zardoz wrote:
An Army's mission is to kill as many of the enemy as possible as quickly as possible to win the war. Mass murder is the object of war.

Perhaps that is why the Army does not bother with semi-auto-only AR-15s.


Zardoz wrote:
The AR-15s used in the bank robbery in LA fired much faster than any Thompson ever made.

They didn't fire faster than Germany's MG 42 machine guns in WWII.


Zardoz wrote:
The AR-15 semi-automatic and the AR-15 come down the same assembly line and use the same parts. They are the same gun with the exception of 3 tiny parts that can be changed.

Three tiny illegal parts.


Zardoz wrote:
The beauty of the Texas law is it takes government out of the abortion controversy and leaves it up to bounty hunters to enforce it. This takes the supreme court out of it.

It doesn't take the Supreme Court out of it.


Zardoz wrote:
Wrong, the government is taken out of it.

No it isn't.


Zardoz wrote:
It is one citizen enforcing it against each other.

No, there are still courts involved.


Zardoz wrote:
In this type of law, the government is not taking your gun it is your neighbor and he did not grant you a second amendment.

The neighbor doesn't have the ability to do anything more than bring a case to court. And cases can still be thrown out of court for violating the Constitution.
Zardoz
 
  2  
Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2021 08:05 pm
There are still a lot of optimists in the republican party. It seems that 1 out of 5 republicans believe it is likely that Trump will be reinstated before the end of the year. We are just about out of year with only 13 days left. The fact that it is impossible to reinstate Trump doesn’t seem to bother the true believers. How many dates have come and gone when Trump was supposed to be put back in office? Just one more missed date won’t bother them they will just pick another date when Trump will be reinstated. They won’t let a little thing called reality stop them from believing.

Mark Racicot, the former head or the RNC and former Governor of Montana, says he believes the republic could be at risk, in part, to social media platforms. I think that social media may be part of the problem but what went unsaid is often more important than what is said. He said the shift has taken place over the last decade and a half. I will give him one thing the former head of the republican party voted for Biden saying character is the most important quality in president. He voted for Trump in 16 but learned his lesson. The thing that has screwed America is the establishment of political propaganda station masquerading as news station. These stations were established by lifetime political operatives to achieve political goals and every story is designed to achieve political goals.

Today we have 51,681,970 cases of the Trump virus, yesterday we had 51,610,281 cases of the Trump virus. That means that another 71,689 Americans were diagnosed with the Trump virus today.

Today the death toll stands at 827,164, yesterday the death toll stood at 826,719. That means that another 445 Americans died today from the Trump virus.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2021 08:59 pm
@oralloy,
The realty that jury will be looking at is the pictures of the bodies 20 small children, some shot 20-30 times, with a weapon of war that the company was glorifying in adds. The only reason the company was pushing weapons of war is that they are extremely profitable. Those jurors will never ever be able to get those pictures out of their minds and only one thing made that slaughter possible, that weapon of war.
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The lawsuit is about what made that slaughter possible and that is weapons designed to slaughter people. The question will be how many more slaughters of children are we going to allow, before we put a stop to it. Without a gun designed for mass murder this would not have happened.

It is no longer a question of whether weapons designed for mass murder will be banned it is only question of how many more children will be slaughtered before they are banned.

Remington is claiming it is a weapon of war in their adds which states it is the very same gun used by the special forces. They left absolutely no doubt.
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The AR-15 is far superior to the Thompson machine gun. Just as a 2021 car is far superior to a 1930 car. It does far more damage, much quicker. That why the special forces, doesn’t use Thompsons.
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There are all types of schemes to hide who owns what. The problem is with company that owns the designs. Trump got hundreds of million in tax right offs when all his businesses went bankrupt. That was based on the condition that he no longer owned them. Years later it was found that after Trump bankrupted the casinos, he continued to own a 5% share but it took years for people to find out.
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There were 26 victims at Sandy Hook and not all are involved in that lawsuit there may be other suits beside this one. This may just be the first to get in court. I don’t think an insurance company would offer $33 million unless they knew they did not stand a chance.

That is a fraction of what they are liable for it will end up being much more. When they figure damages, they look at how long the victim might have lived. If the victim is 70 the damages would be far less than if he is 7.

A $33 million settlement tells you they are convinced they will lose.
You can only take someone assets if you can prove that it is a frivolous suit. There is nothing frivolous about this lawsuit.



oralloy
 
  -2  
Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2021 10:23 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
The realty that jury will be looking at is the pictures of the bodies 20 small children, some shot 20-30 times, with a weapon of war that the company was glorifying in adds.

Semi-auto-only AR-15s are not weapons of war.


Zardoz wrote:
The only reason the company was pushing weapons of war is that they are extremely profitable.

The company wasn't pushing weapons of war. Those were outlawed 87 years ago.


Zardoz wrote:
Those jurors will never ever be able to get those pictures out of their minds and only one thing made that slaughter possible, that weapon of war.

A semi-auto-only AR-15 is not a weapon of war, and it is not what made the slaughter possible.


Zardoz wrote:
The lawsuit is about what made that slaughter possible and that is weapons designed to slaughter people.

Wrong. The lawsuit claims that Remington's advertising made the shooter decide to go kill people, and that he would not have done so if not for their advertising.


Zardoz wrote:
The question will be how many more slaughters of children are we going to allow, before we put a stop to it.

We have no ability to put a stop to it.


Zardoz wrote:
Without a gun designed for mass murder this would not have happened.

Semi-auto-only AR-15s are not designed for mass murder. The gun had no bearing on what happened.


Zardoz wrote:
It is no longer a question of whether weapons designed for mass murder will be banned it is only question of how many more children will be slaughtered before they are banned.

Weapons designed for mass murder were banned 87 years ago.


Zardoz wrote:
The AR-15 is far superior to the Thompson machine gun.

A semi-auto-only AR-15 is not superior to any submachine gun.


Zardoz wrote:
Just as a 2021 car is far superior to a 1930 car.

A 2021 children's tricycle is not superior to a 1930 car.


Zardoz wrote:
It does far more damage, much quicker.

Semi-auto-only AR-15s do far less damage, and they do it much slower.


Zardoz wrote:
That why the special forces, doesn't use Thompsons.

They don't use Thompsons because the MP5 is a better submachine gun.


Zardoz wrote:
That is a fraction of what they are liable for it will end up being much more.

That is unlikely. Insurance policies have limits to their coverage. The liability of each insurance company will not exceed the limits of the policy that they sold to Remington.


Zardoz wrote:
You can only take someone assets if you can prove that it is a frivolous suit.

Federal law says that the gun industry can take the assets of anyone who sues them.


Zardoz wrote:
There is nothing frivolous about this lawsuit.

Everything about it is frivolous. They cannot even establish that the shooter saw any of Remington's advertising. They certainly cannot establish that the shooting would never have happened if not for the advertising.
Zardoz
 
  2  
Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2021 08:51 pm
Dirty Joe finally showed his true colors today, he went on the rightwing propaganda station, Fox News, to announce he will not vote for the Build Back Better bill. Dirty Joe called the bill “socialism.” That is the key word used by the republicans to scare the Hispanic voters in Florida away from voting for Biden during the 2020 election. When the storm started and the pressure begin to build Dirty Joe went running to the republicans for sympathy and support. Dirty Joe made it abundantly clear he his completely opposed to democratic agenda.

We are all waiting with baited breath for the other shoe to fall, Fox News will make Dirty Joe republican employee of week and Dirty Joe will switch parties and declare himself a republican. When Biden tried to call and stop Dirty Joe from going on a republican station, Dirty Joe refused to take the call. The quicker Dirty Joe is out of the party the better off we will be. You could not have a football team where one player, every time he got the ball ran to opposite end of the field and spiked the ball, that is exactly what Dirty Joe is doing. One thing I learned early on is politics is a team sport if the team doesn’t work together, it can’t accomplish anything.

Today we have 51,765,714 cases of the Trump virus, yesterday we had 51,681,970 cases of the Trump virus. That means that another 83,744 Americans were diagnosed with the Trump virus today.

The death toll stands at 827,323 today, yesterday the death toll stood at 827,164. That means that another 159 Americans died today from the Trump virus.



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Zardoz
 
  2  
Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2021 11:25 pm
@oralloy,
The trouble is that it is not only me it is the experts that made and designed the mass murder weapons that agree.
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The semi-automatic and full-automatic are the same gun and were made under the same revolutionary patent for using the exhaust from firing one round to chamber the next round. This makes even the semi-automatic far superior to other semi-automatics. It can actually chamber the rounds faster than you can pull the trigger.
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The experts don’t make me wrong they make you wrong.
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The semi-automatic version is almost as deadly with over 50 people killed in a few minutes. As mass murder go that is nearly a record.
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If it was not designed for mass murder it does one hell of a job.
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How many mass murders have happened with a gun that wasn’t designed for mass murder? The mass murders speak for themselves.
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The only reason the AR-15 was granted a patent was that it was far superior to other semi-automatics.
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That is only because the full-automatic kills more, evidently 50 killed in a few minutes is just not enough.
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That remains to be seen whether you could melt down the barrel with a semi-automatic. The number of rounds fired by semi-automatic is only limited by how many times the trigger can be pulled and we know that one mass murder in Florida was recorded firing 50 rounds in a minute.
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If I remember right the video was of a converted AR-15 that belonged to a collector with a full license to own machine guns.
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Most court cases end with the first verdict and only a few are appealed and of those appeals only a fraction will be successful.
We sued the city in the 80s over parity in our contract. We lost in circuit court, but the WV supreme court remanded it back to circuit court where we won in a jury trial. There were only two levels, circuit court and state supreme court.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Remington built and marketed a weapon designed for mass murder to the public they should have foreseen that it was likely to be used for that purpose. The person that supplies the death weapon to a murder is also guilty.
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You have no idea who is involved in the sale of the company and whether it was sold at a fair market value. Most companies, ones they realize they are guilty or liable, will do everything possible to protect their assets.

They will never be able to seize anyone’s home this is not a frivolous lawsuit. The defendants have already made a settlement offer.
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When the AR-15 comes down the assembly line it can be either a full-automatic or a semi-automatic. It is the same gun.
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When a mass murder takes place, we don’t get all the details and I doubt the police would test fire the murder weapon to see if it was an automatic. They look exactly alike, and the small parts are internal.
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The parts were openly sold in magazines, full automatics might be illegal but not the parts. Where do you think these people that have full automatics got the parts? There are no laws against parts the government would have to have a source to repair their automatics.
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They would be very likely to have an AR-15 since it is far superior to a machine gun. The AR-15 in the video was owned by a collector with license to own them.
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In my 42 years with the city, I cannot recall one criminal ever being arrested with a bullet proof vest. Most are too poor to afford one.
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Head shot with a shot gun should not be hard, especially with a wide pattern.
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I have read the book on the NRA and there were some real criminals heading the NRA and they are being prosecuted by the federal government even while Trump was still in office.
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I don’t see many people being prosecuted for converting AR-15s even when law enforcement is aware of who is doing it.
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Then let’s make it a ten-foot barrel, is that unique enough.
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Gatling guns fire fast also but you can’t put one under your coat and walk into a school and kill twenty first graders. Machine guns are illegal but AR-15s aren’t, we need to correct that.
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I was talking about the outside of the barrel.
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There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. The AR-15 takes advantage of all the design advantages of the full-automatic except one. The semi-automatic AR-15 is still capable of chamber shells at as fast as full-automatic and it is limited only by how fast you can pull the trigger.
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The AR-15 is a modern-day machine gun that is limited only by how fast you can pull the trigger. How many times could you pull the trigger? 200? 300?
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The US military assigned it a different number M-!6 but as the experts at Remington made clear it is the same gun with only slight differences.
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How many people does it take to carry that machine gun? Its size would make it impractical to kill 20 first graders with.
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To start with he did not design the AR-15 as a semi-automatic it was designed as a full-automatic, but they could not sell that on the street because full-automatics are illegal they had to dummy it down a little to be able sell it on the street. There is only one design that is slightly modified. He never went back and designed a different gun they just modified the automatic.
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That is exactly why every effort should be made to stop murder. If you want to stop a carpenter from building a house, take his tools. If you want to stop a mass murderer, take his tools, AR-15.
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You are comparing oranges to apples.
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The AR-15 is a full-automatic that has been restricted.
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What that does not explain is why other weapons are not the choice of mass murderers. The AR-15 are the overwhelming choice of mass murders because the design is so superior. If you really want to kill a number of school children that is your best bet.
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Most of the criminals are carrying guns though it is illegal and they will spend ten years in jail.
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The AR-15 is the same design just slightly modified.
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There are advantages for every design while one may be better for war anther may be better for school mass murders.
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There is no law that outlaws parts, the same parts may be used in several other applications.
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The supreme court had a chance to stop the Texas law and they decided to green light it.
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The government does not enforce that law.
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It is only a civil suit that decides the disputes between citizens.
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The supreme court has already green lighted the Texas law, it is now in full effect in Texas.

oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2021 07:42 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
The trouble is that it is not only me it is the experts that made and designed the mass murder weapons that agree.

AR-15s are not mass murder weapons.

I doubt that you can establish that any experts agree with you. But even if they do, that's no trouble. It would merely mean that they are wrong.


Zardoz wrote:
The semi-automatic and full-automatic are the same gun

No they aren't.


Zardoz wrote:
and were made under the same revolutionary patent for using the exhaust from firing one round to chamber the next round. This makes even the semi-automatic far superior to other semi-automatics.

No it doesn't. The AR-15 is no better than any other modern semi-auto.


Zardoz wrote:
It can actually chamber the rounds faster than you can pull the trigger.

As can any other semi-automatic.


Zardoz wrote:
The experts don't make me wrong they make you wrong.

What makes you wrong is the fact that reality contradicts you.

Experts saying untrue things do not make me wrong. And I doubt that you can produce any experts who say what you claim.


Zardoz wrote:
The semi-automatic version is almost as deadly with over 50 people killed in a few minutes.

No, full-auto is much deadlier.


Zardoz wrote:
If it was not designed for mass murder it does one hell of a job.

Weapons have been used to kill people for thousands of years now.


Zardoz wrote:
How many mass murders have happened with a gun that wasn't designed for mass murder?

All of them.


Zardoz wrote:
The only reason the AR-15 was granted a patent was that it was far superior to other semi-automatics.

The AR-15 is no better than any other modern semi-auto.


Zardoz wrote:
Remington built and marketed a weapon designed for mass murder to the public

No they didn't. And the lawsuit isn't even claiming that. They would be proven wrong if they did try to claim it.


Zardoz wrote:
The person that supplies the death weapon to a murder is also guilty.

Not according to the law.


Zardoz wrote:
You have no idea who is involved in the sale of the company and whether it was sold at a fair market value.

Yes I do. The sale was covered by the media.


Zardoz wrote:
They will never be able to seize anyone's home

The law says that if someone sues a gun manufacturer, they are responsible for paying the gun manufacturer's legal bills.


Zardoz wrote:
this is not a frivolous lawsuit.

Yes it is. They cannot prove that the shooter guy even saw Remington's advertising. The notion that he would never have killed anyone if not for Remington's advertising is preposterous.


Zardoz wrote:
The defendants have already made a settlement offer.

Only two of the insurers did. They should drop that offer and fight to the end, then seize the plaintiffs' homes and retirement accounts.


Zardoz wrote:
When the AR-15 comes down the assembly line it can be either a full-automatic or a semi-automatic. It is the same gun.

A semi-auto-only AR-15 is not the same gun as a full-auto AR-15.


Zardoz wrote:
When a mass murder takes place, we don't get all the details and I doubt the police would test fire the murder weapon to see if it was an automatic. They look exactly alike, and the small parts are internal.

No one has ever slaughtered schoolchildren with a full-auto weapon.


Zardoz wrote:
The parts were openly sold in magazines, full automatics might be illegal but not the parts.

Possessing the parts will get you ten years in federal prison unless you are a licensed machine gun dealer.


Zardoz wrote:
Where do you think these people that have full automatics got the parts? There are no laws against parts the government would have to have a source to repair their automatics.

Possessing the parts will get you ten years in federal prison unless you are a licensed machine gun dealer.


Zardoz wrote:
They would be very likely to have an AR-15 since it is far superior to a machine gun.

An AR-15 is not far superior to a machine gun.


Zardoz wrote:
In my 42 years with the city, I cannot recall one criminal ever being arrested with a bullet proof vest. Most are too poor to afford one.

Your recall does not matter. People have the right to an effective defense from criminals wearing Kevlar.


Zardoz wrote:
Head shot with a shot gun should not be hard, especially with a wide pattern.

Head shots are always difficult.


Zardoz wrote:
I have read the book on the NRA and there were some real criminals heading the NRA and they are being prosecuted by the federal government even while Trump was still in office.

The book is leftist propaganda.


Zardoz wrote:
I don't see many people being prosecuted for converting AR-15s even when law enforcement is aware of who is doing it.

That's because it seldom happens.


Zardoz wrote:
Then let's make it a ten-foot barrel, is that unique enough.

The length of a barrel is not a unique invention.


Zardoz wrote:
Machine guns are illegal but AR-15s aren't, we need to correct that.

There is no justification for outlawing AR-15s. The Supreme Court will not permit you to place unjustifiable restrictions on guns.


Zardoz wrote:
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Your statements are untrue. That makes them wrong.


Zardoz wrote:
The AR-15 takes advantage of all the design advantages of the full-automatic except one.

There are no other advantages of a full-auto.


Zardoz wrote:
The semi-automatic AR-15 is still capable of chamber shells at as fast as full-automatic and it is limited only by how fast you can pull the trigger.

The same is true of any semi-auto.


Zardoz wrote:
The AR-15 is a modern-day machine gun that is limited only by how fast you can pull the trigger.

A semi-auto-only gun is not a machine gun.


Zardoz wrote:
The US military assigned it a different number M-16 but as the experts at Remington made clear it is the same gun with only slight differences.

The difference between full-auto and semi-auto-only is more than slight.


Zardoz wrote:
How many people does it take to carry that machine gun? Its size would make it impractical to kill 20 first graders with.

A single person can carry and fire a general purpose machine gun like the German MG 42.

Note the movie Rambo.


Zardoz wrote:
To start with he did not design the AR-15 as a semi-automatic it was designed as a full-automatic, but they could not sell that on the street because full-automatics are illegal they had to dummy it down a little to be able sell it on the street. There is only one design that is slightly modified. He never went back and designed a different gun they just modified the automatic.

And the purpose of the semi-auto-only version is hunting and home defense.


Zardoz wrote:
That is exactly why every effort should be made to stop murder.

That is why murder is a crime with stiff penalties.


Zardoz wrote:
If you want to stop a carpenter from building a house, take his tools. If you want to stop a mass murderer, take his tools, AR-15.

An AR-15 is no different from any other semi-auto with a large magazine.


Zardoz wrote:
You are comparing oranges to apples.

So are you. Semi-auto-only and full-auto are not even remotely the same thing.


Zardoz wrote:
The AR-15 is a full-automatic that has been restricted.

A semi-auto-only AR-15 is not a full-auto.


Zardoz wrote:
What that does not explain is why other weapons are not the choice of mass murderers.

Other weapons are in fact the choice of mass murderers.

Your claim that AR-15s are the weapon of choice isn't true.


Zardoz wrote:
YThe AR-15 are the overwhelming choice of mass murders because the design is so superior.

AR-15s are not the overwhelming choice of mass murderers.

And they are no better than any other semi-auto with a large magazine.


Zardoz wrote:
If you really want to kill a number of school children that is your best bet.

No it isn't.


Zardoz wrote:
Most of the criminals are carrying guns though it is illegal and they will spend ten years in jail.

Problem solved.


Zardoz wrote:
The AR-15 is the same design just slightly modified.

Converting guns to full-auto is illegal.


Zardoz wrote:
There are advantages for every design while one may be better for war anther may be better for school mass murders.

The AR-15 is no better than any other semi-auto with a large magazine.


Zardoz wrote:
There is no law that outlaws parts, the same parts may be used in several other applications.

Possessing the parts will get you ten years in federal prison unless you are a licensed machine gun dealer.


Zardoz wrote:
The supreme court had a chance to stop the Texas law and they decided to green light it.

I think they will strike it down in the end.


Zardoz wrote:
The government does not enforce that law.

Yes it does. All my neighbor has the right to do is bring a case to court.


Zardoz wrote:
It is only a civil suit that decides the disputes between citizens.

An unconstitutional civil suit.


Zardoz wrote:
The supreme court has already green lighted the Texas law, it is now in full effect in Texas.

For now.
 

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