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The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

 
 
hightor
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2020 05:07 am
@oralloy,
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The day after the election the left suddenly started falsely accusing everyone who disagreed with Obama or opposed him in any way of being racists.

That's a very specific charge so surely you can provide some quotations from November 7, 2012 which illustrate this phenomenon. Thanks.
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hightor
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2020 05:19 am
@oralloy,
Not a good example as it dates from well after November 2012, but in any case, it provides examples of opposition which was connected with race. That doesn't mean that all opposition to Obama was racist. And it doesn't mean that Obama was responsible for people who pointed out where they believed racism was at work. I don't think that Chaite's article qualifies "race-related kookery" as it is pretty well-detailed.
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hightor
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2020 05:24 am
@oralloy,
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Maybe they should stop looting and burning if they don't want the police to step in and manage their behavior.

Maybe the police should manage their behavior and not engage in the summary execution of non-violent suspects in their custody.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2020 05:26 am
@hightor,
There are definitely some policies that should be changed.

I'd like to see no-knock warrants completely abolished for example.

But the police are not conducting summary executions.
hightor
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2020 07:53 am
@oralloy,
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But the police are not conducting summary executions.

Floyd was taken into police custody for trying to pass a counterfeit bill, Garner for selling cigarettes — these aren't cases of threats by armed assailants. Both of them were subdued and subsequently killed while in the hands of the police by the police. I don't know how else you'd refer to it. It reminds me of the arguments around the torture of terror suspects, that anything is allowed because the crime they are suspected of is so terrible so it doesn't matter if they die. It's too brutal, oralloy. It's like something the Inquisition or the Islamic State would do.
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hightor
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2020 08:25 am
@oralloy,
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In neither case were they intentionally killed.

To place someone in a chokehold or or apply a knee to the neck of a prostrate captive to the point where the victim is gasping for air represents such a cavalier and disrespectful attitude toward life that it's hard to see how the killing wasn't deliberate. If I place a garotte around your neck and apply some tension and end up killing you (sorry, oralloy) saying "it wasn't deliberate" just doesn't cut it. Lethal techniques should not be used for the purpose of punitive detainment.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2020 09:02 pm
They set a curfew for 7pm in Washington DC yesterday. Trump decided he needed a photo opportunity at the church across the street. Trump had two military helicopters and secret service attack the protesters to clear a path to church. The protestors had a right to be there for another half hour. The bishop of the church was appalled with what Trump had done. She said Trump had not asked permission to use the image of the church. There was never more of a white supremist image than Trump clutching a bible in his upraised hand.

Today we have 1,869,013 cases of coronavirus today, yesterday we had 1,847,626 cases of coronavirus. That means that another 21,387 Americans came down with coronavirus today.

The death toll now stands at 107,648 dead Americans, yesterday we had 106,570 dead Americans. That means an additional 1,078 Americans died of the coronavirus today.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2020 10:03 pm
@Baldimo,
It is so easy for you to ignore facts. It was Trump who opened his campaign with a racist rant heard round the world. Trump called “Mexicans, drug dealers, criminals and rapists” in an effort to divide the country and win the election on the wings of racism. It is coming back to bite him now. Those were Trump’s exact words no one put them in his mouth. The wages of Africans Americans went up more under Obama than they have under Trump. Trump just rode an economic wave that was eight years making. Trump first budget is not until October and Trump cannot claim any economic improvements for his first year because he had nothing to do with it.
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Trump was not in the White House he was five stories down below the Whitehouse when the demonstrations were going on in Washington DC and then flew to Florida the next day. Trump is a coward, coward who went doctor shopping to find a doctor who keep him from getting drafted.
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This launch attracted more attention with the coward of the country in attendance. I said the coward of the country was at the launch and your picture proves it.
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It is a death sentence for over 107,648 Americans that is enough dead Americans to fill 430 crashed airlines or more than twice the population of Huntington. Many more children will die from effects of the coronavirus four to six weeks after having coronavirus. Others have lasting effects after their brain was attacked by the virus. Every case of coronavirus leads to other cases of coronavirus sometimes up to a hundred. They call them super spreaders. But then America could have handled the coronavirus like Vietnam where there was not one death and only 348 cases. But Trump insisted is no worse than the common cold after all the common cold is a coronavirus. The death rate is over 10% and more deaths happen each day.
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The death rate varies each day. It was over a thousand today far worse than in Italy when the breakout was raging. But the death rate almost doubled today from that post.

There is no comparison to number of people killed during the riots. Today 1077 more people were killed by coronavirus than in the demonstrations.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2020 08:58 pm
I caught the Glen Beck show this morning and it was one wild conspiracy theory after another. The Antifa explanation for the protests seems to have fallen on deaf ears so now Beck as much wilder conspiracy theory. Now according to Beck, it is the deep state that is causing the demonstrations. They are on bicycles out in front of the protesters calling in the building that are to be burnt and looted. I can picture our FBI agents and foreign diplomats doing that. I can just picture Jim Comey and Andrew McCabe on their bikes calling in stores to loot and burn. You would have to be an idiot to believe Beck’s lies.

Today we have 1,888,652 cases of coronavirus, yesterday we had 1, 869,013. That means that an additional 19,639 Americans came down with coronavirus today.

The death toll now stands at 108,596, yesterday it stood at 107,648. That means an additional 948 Americans died today from coronavirus.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2020 08:29 pm
Glen Beck said that fifty secret service agents were injured while running the protesters off for Trumps photo opportunity. Of course, Glen Beck wouldn’t lie but what he didn’t tell you was it was their feeling were hurt when the protesters called them Trump lovers. They will need a few days off to get over the trauma.

We passed another milestone today and we now have over one million nine hundred thousand cases of coronavirus. The actual count is now 1,910,843 cases of coronavirus, yesterday it was 1,888,652 cases of coronavirus. That means that 22,191 more Americans came down with coronavirus today.

The death toll now stands at 109,639, yesterday the death toll stood at 108,596. That means another 1,043 Americans died today from coronavirus.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2020 08:54 pm
@coldjoint,
There is a scientific principal that scientist adhere to it is called Occam’s razor which basically tells you that the simplest explanation is usually the correct explanation. In other words when you try and make things much more complex you are usually wrong.

We know why these demonstrations started it was over a policeman killing a black man and without the film no one would have taken noticed. We do know that 44 other people were choked into unconsciousness by the Minneapolis police department since 2015. Bricks can be delivered anywhere if somebody pays for them, they are not that expensive.

It is easy to create paper tigers as tackle dummies. Trump is long on making up stories but as usual short on proof.

Freedom, do you mean the freedom of policemen to kill black people whenever they like? That is what the demonstration are about taking that freedom away.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2020 08:30 pm
We now have 1,935,432 cases of coronavirus, yesterday we had 1,910,843. That means that another 24,589 Americans came down with coronavirus today. Trump shows the American people just what he thinks of them when he insists on having a packed Republican convention with no social distancing. It does not matter in the slightest how many people come down with coronavirus or how far they spread it. Trump needs a packed house to stroke his ego, nothing else matters. Why did we go through 2 months of shut down to let Trump launch the second wave?

The death toll now stands at 110,655, yesterday it stood at 109,639. That means that another 1,016 Americans died of coronavirus today.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2020 09:11 pm
@coldjoint,
Here we go again everything that happens is a plot against Trump to get him out of office. Coronavirus was a plot to get Trump out of office. Trump telling people to drink bleach to kill the coronavirus was a plot hatched by the deep state who used telepathy to get Trump to say bleach was the cure for coronavirus. Trump being the scum of the earth and cheating people out of their life savings was just a plot to kept Trump from getting elected. Trump causing the third Great Depression never happened we really don’t have 30% unemployment. The Russians providing Trump with all the cash he can stuff in his pocket was a plot against Trump. Not everything in the world is a plot against Trump, he is just a senile old crook that thinks people should drink bleach.

While killings by cops are not everyday occurrences the deaths are far more common than people realize. Only a small fraction are caught on camera, another one came to light today that happened three months ago. Of the 44 instances of victims being chocked to unconsciousness in Minneapolis they did not say how many died. The vast majority of policemen are good people but there are psychopaths on the police department just as there are in the general public. We had one policeman that went on a call and he proceeded to rape the woman with his flashlight. When she called to report it he was sent back to take the report. When she went to hospital for rape kit, he was sent back a third time. There were rumors that the policemen killed one guy and disposed of the body in the river I never wanted to know the details. You only had to watch that policeman shove a 75-year old man to ground and walk on while his head was bleeding that was shown today. Police use to carry pistols with 6 rounds now they carry Glocks with 15 rounds and they will shoot you ten more times after you are dead. The biggest thing wrong with the demonstrations is that the problem is not just with blacks, poor whites also receive the same treatment. Of the 44 strangled to unconsciousness I wonder how many were white.
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