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No that is a very good example of one person’s freedoms being limited because it violates the freedoms of others. You don’t think serial killers should be entitled to the pursuit of their happiness.

The $20,000 is an effective ban that puts those weapons out of the reach of most mass murderers.

If I have a thousand acres and I give you one acre that does not mean that you get the other 999 acres.

There has been some really bad information out there about the second amendment.

The second amendment is not complex it simply says you have a right to keep and bear arms.

If you have an arm to bear the second amendment has been fully met. You are not entitled to the other 999 acres.

That study has been totally debunked and the real figure is estimated at 100.000, most likely 99,000 involving drug dealers protecting their stash.

I had no trouble with that link both show the design capabilities of the AR-15 and why it should have never been legal to start with.

The problem the rounds are being fired so incredibly fast you can't possibly count them.

The only possible interpretation of "shall not be infringed" is you can not take the right to bear an arm from any mass murderer, serial killer or the mentally ill.

When you are granted a right to keep and bear arms it clearly means that is not any weapon whatsoever for any purpose whatsoever.

You have 5 million NRA members and 325 million Americans who want to protect their families from weapons of war. It looks like the odds are pretty good to change the constitution.

Even if the constitution is not changed state and local laws can are being changed.

I still haven't debunked that number but when we have massacres with 50 people killed and we have several a year just the major massacres would far exceed that number. The number may have been cherry picked in a year that there were fewer massacres but what we do know is the massacres are getting more frequent.

Anything from the NRA is a lie they are in business to lie much like Fox News.

Hysterical liberals overreact over a couple of shootings over the weekend? Really?

Even one human death is a terrible tragedy let alone 50 at a time.

Gun nuts however think no more of victims of massacres than if some flies had been swatted.

All that matters is going bang, bang, with their guns. Gun nuts have no empathy or good sense. How could you possibly not think a mass shooting was not a terrible tragedy? That is why there is a debate about gun control the gun nuts don’t value human life.

I had no trouble with that link both show the design capabilities of the AR-15 and why it should have never been legal to start with.

In the one the guy fired over 800 rounds before the barrel melted down.

That clearly shows the design capability of the AR-15 that is what they are designed to do. They can be easily modified to do just that.

A bump stock is only one of many ways to modify an AR-15.

We will let someone else keep score you might be a bit biased.

All you had to was count the number of rounds being fired in 10 seconds and multiply by 6 and you would have the rate of fire. The problem the rounds are being fired so incredibly fast you can’t possibly count them.

The problem the rounds are being fired so incredibly fast you can’t possibly count them.

You really don’t believe that a law professor at a major university does not know what he is talking about?

Once the local 598 case was decided by the WV supreme court it is the law. When the county attorney tells the EMS employees that is illegal for public employees to unionize, he is lying. The 598-case set the law in respect to public employees.

The only possible interpretation of “shall not be infringed” is you can not take the right to bear an arm from any mass murderer, serial killer or the mentally ill.

The right to keep and bear arms is not changed in any way by that statement.

There have been several recent court cases making that very argument.

The mentally ill just can’t wait to get their AR-15s and they will be coming to a school near you for target practice.

But it is in the second amendment. When you are granted a right to keep and bear arms it clearly means that is not any weapon whatsoever for any purpose whatsoever.

You have 5 million NRA members and 325 million Americans who want to protect their families from weapons of war.

It looks like the odds are pretty good to change the constitution. Even if the constitution is not changed state and local laws can are being changed.

So far, the cases bought to enforce the “cannot be infringed” section of the second amendment have been unsuccessful

but when a judge strictly interprets the second amendment the mentally will be given back their AR-15s when they leave the mental institution.

Most people get over illnesses but the gun rights are stripped for life that have a mental illness but not from those who have a physical illness.

A kid that steals a car for a joy ride has his gun rights taken for life. There is no due process or appeal.

Many states are now restoring the voting rights of criminals.

I am a realist and a student of history.

We were a minor country until relatively recently only after WWII did America become a hyperpower

and that had more to do with the movement of wealth and decimation of Europe and United Kingdom during WWII.

We will probably be the shortest-lived hyperpower in history.

History shows us that the ungodly greedy will always destroy a hyperpower. We are already way to far along that path for this country to be saved.

Reagan deeply admired the communists he made a known communist spy that gave the Nazis and the communists our top-secret plans for our battle ships and bombers. Reagan awarded him the highest civilian honor, equivalent to medal honor. The Republicans celebrated the spy’s birthday in the Whitehouse in the baby Bush Whitehouse. The conservative philosophy that is destroying America today came from a Russian screen writer. Reagan admired the communists and America because they were responsible for the Republicans return to power after they caused the Great Depression and the Great Depression made the communist a powerful political force in America.

The dollars spent on healthcare are there today. Healthcare is not an option like buying a new car. When someone needs health
care they are going to get it.

They may well go bankrupt after the partial pay health insurance that they are paying $20,000 a year for figures out how to keep from paying most of the bill. There is no health insurance available in America anymore.

Simply banning assault weapons and confiscating the assault weapons now on the streets will all but put an end to massacres.

The supreme court has ruled "you do not have a right to any weapon whatsoever for any purpose whatsoever."

The second amendment simply gives you a right to bear arms and as long as you have an arm bear you have everything that the second amendment granted to you.

Any sheriff who refuses to enforce the law can be removed from office for malfeasance.

The gun laws are constitutional I don't know how much clearer the supreme court can make.

Basically, there is no such thing as an unconstitutional gun law as long as you have an arm to bear.

The Las Vegas massacre is not an isolated event there are many others.

There is a difference between your gun rights and what you imagine your gun rights are.

Breaking it down hides the problem.

You have to admit that massacres are a problem.

America was not always that way with the advent in mass distribution of assault weapons America has changed for the worse.

There are a number people who want to put a stop to massacres.

The heller decision was a bout a gun permit but the decision also laid the frame work for all of the state and local laws that banned assault weapons.

When it says you are not entitled to any weapon whatsoever it allows state and local jurisdictions to establish laws.

You are the one complaining about all the murders in Chicago and now you want to poor gasoline on the fire. The simple fact is more guns in Chicago the more murders. That 2010 decision explains why the Chicago's murder rate has skyrocketed.

The Chicago case was remanded back to the court of appeals meaning it does not bind the supreme court because it is court of appeals decision.

It in no way changes the supreme court decision that you are not entitled to any weapon whatsoever. It does not rule that you are entitled to any weapon whatsoever.

The longest journey begins with the first step. You can never solve a big problem all at once.

You need to solve a problem in small steps. The biggest problem with gun violence is massacres.

The terrorist impact of massacres far exceeds the body count. You can see that in how every school in nation must devote precious resources to hardening schools and massacre drills.

Massacres are the easiest part of the gun problem to solve. Simply banning assault weapons and confiscating the assault weapons now on the streets will all but put an end to massacres.

After New Zeeland banned assault weapons, they put a stop to the major massacres.

We can put a stop to massacres in America by voting all of the crooked politicians taking the gun manufacturers’ money out of office and banning assault weapons. If you don’t have the right tool for the job it doesn’t get done.

The supreme court has ruled “you do not have a right to any weapon whatsoever for any purpose whatsoever.”

And that is a strict interpretation of the second amendment as written. The second amendment simply gives you a right to bear arms and as long as you have an arm bear you have everything that the second amendment granted to you.

Any sheriff who refuses to enforce the law can be removed from office for malfeasance.

Sheriffs are some of highest paid politicians in the country because they are paid on a percentage of taxes collected.

While the sheriffs might talk the talk after the first few were removed from office the others would fall in line.

Virginia has had several massacres and people no longer want to live in a war zone. If you want an assault weapon join the military and they will give you one.

To most people fire crackers sound very close to gun shots. There have been massacres in malls recently it would be far better to run from fire crackers then find yourself face to face with a mass murderer and his AR-15.

An ounce prevention is worth a pound of cure.

The Las Vegas massacre is not an isolated event there are many others.

The Las Vegas shooter just showed the budding mass murderers what could be done with a little planning. The other potential mass murderers are learning and shooting for the record.
There is a difference between your gun rights and what you imagine your gun rights are.

Breaking it down hides the problem.

The magnitude of gun violence is problem but it will only be solved one piece at a time.

You have to admit that massacres are a problem.

America was not always that way with the advent in mass distribution of assault weapons America has changed for the worse.

Massacre are the easiest portion of gun violence to solve. The solution is simple and within reach. I, only reported the facts from history.

It is a very simple equation and occurs every time the rich manage to steal 99% of a country wealth.

The ungodly greedy are far from innocent they used money to buy are political system and rip the rest of us off and they will continue till there is nothing left to steal and a bloody revolution is the only choice.

Some of the ungodly greedy are divesting themselves of all their wealth because they know what history has instore.

The actual Heller decision is 25 pages long but the relevant parts are all that is necessary.

The heller decision was a bout a gun permit but the decision also laid the frame work for all of the state and local laws that banned assault weapons. /quote]
It did no such thing, the only restrictions mentioned in the ruling were ones that already existed, they created no new restrictions to the 2nd Amendment.

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When it says you are not entitled to any weapon whatsoever it allows state and local jurisdictions to establish laws.

That isn't what it said, that's why you don't post the entire decision you are referencing.

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It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.

That's the entire section you only mention parts of, read it again. It says nothing like you are claiming.

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You are the one complaining about all the murders in Chicago and now you want to poor gasoline on the fire. The simple fact is more guns in Chicago the more murders. That 2010 decision explains why the Chicago’s murder rate has skyrocketed.

That decision has nothing to do with gangs committing crimes, as noted in your partial citation, it didn't allow already prohibited persons from owning a gun. You really should read the entire part you are lying about and not just the words you like.

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The Chicago case was remanded back to the court of appeals meaning it does not bind the supreme court because it is court of appeals decision. It in no way changes the supreme court decision that you are not entitled to any weapon whatsoever. It does not rule that you are entitled to any weapon whatsoever.

You continue to lie about the ruling, I'll continue to post what it actually says.
It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.

You are a liar and a fraud!!!

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The Chicago case was remanded back to the court of appeals meaning it does not bind the supreme court because it is court of appeals decision.

It is a Supreme Court decision, and it binds all lower courts.

Lying requires intent to deceive. I believe that his incorrect statements are being made in good faith. People can be unintentionally mistaken.

Lying requires intent to deceive. I believe that his incorrect statements are being made in good faith. People can be unintentionally mistaken.

You could not have sighted a better example of the right trying to overthrow the government.

These were known thieves with guns trying to take what is not theirs.

What if some of the militias decided they were going to use a gang of gun thugs to take your house?

Unfortunately, criminals have a 96% chance of never serving a day in jail for their crimes.

This is the case with the Bundy’s it sets an example for the militias to rob banks, steal cars and trucks. If the Federal government has no property rights than no one has property rights.

If the Federal government has no property rights than no one has property rights.

Make no mistake about it, this was an overthrow of the government with the help of judge that is trying to make a political future for herself.

Do you think reducing something to writing makes it real?

In many courts you no longer have to swear on a bible if you object to swearing to tell the truth on a book of lies. Even Trump wanted to be sworn in using his own book, The Art of the Deal, instead of a bible.

Afghanistan was complicity in that they gave safe haven to Osama and al Qaeda. They deserved what ever they got.

Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 it was made up whole cloth by the Republicans who wanted to take Iraq’s oil. We all watched on tv as Shock and Awe resulted in a million innocent people killed for no reason. Even Hitler could not kill as many innocent people in such a short period of time. I am sure Hitler would be smiling in hell if it existed.

Mass shooting happen everyday now and they are becoming even more frequent.

Remember mass shootings are defined as four or more people killed or wounded.

Your 297 figure is only for those killed so there are at least 1500 wounded.

The Las Vegas mass murderer killed 59 but wounded 500 hundred.

Some people came under fire in two mass murders in less than year. That is an extremely good chance of being murdered by a gun nut.

You can post the entire 25 pages of the Heller decision but it will never change (f 2) that states: Like most rights, your second amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”

For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.

The cost of assault weapons is beyond the reach of many.

You just poste the supreme court decision your second amendment right is not unlimited. Didn’t you read that?

Not be infringed is not a statement of a right it only means you can’t take the right of mass murders and the mentally ill to have a gun to bear.

Why do you think 10 states have already enacted copies of the 1994 assault weapon ban and why hasn’t the gun manufactures went to court to overturn them?

If you have the major gun manufactures marketing semi-automatic assault weapons as assault weapons for 20 years, and they have the ads, they can’t suddenly claim assault weapons are not assault weapons.

No legislature ever makes a law without conferring with experts sometimes it goes on for days.

There is no way of knowing exactly how many people cut up their assault weapons what we do know is some of them filmed it and posted on You Tube.

If guns were not designed to kill people what is their purpose?

Why do you target practice? To be better at killing people.

Who has the guns, drug dealers, murders, rapists, and thieves? Guns are the tools of their trade.

So, you admit there are guns you can’t buy and that the second amendment is not unlimited. It is just a matter of where the line is drawn.

I don’t have a problem with regular guns it is the assault weapons that were designed to fight wars with that make massacres possible that have to go.

There is a difference between a regular 22 rifle and one that was designed to fight wars with.

There are lots of regular rifles that are not designed like AR-15s.

And the semi-auto-only AR-15 is just a regular .22 rifle.

They have decided Trump is a king and is above every law in America.