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No Looting in Japan

 
 
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 14 Mar, 2011 07:02 pm
@parados,
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So, you would love a place where people pay high taxes, can't own guns, and get free health care from the government...


You really that much into putting words in other people's mouths?

You say you fucked a duck and a chicken this morning and preferred the duck?? Some reason???
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 14 Mar, 2011 07:03 pm
@parados,
love it, i live there (well we can own guns* here in canada)




* long guns being the easiest to own, but you can own handguns contrary to popular belief, but no carry
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 14 Mar, 2011 07:07 pm
@gungasnake,
I don't believe I put in words in your mouth gunga.
You are the one that stated you would prefer Japan. I merely pointed out what it possesses and never implied you said anything.
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 14 Mar, 2011 07:10 pm
@gungasnake,
well i've heard the audio from the german guy ******* a chicken on opie and anthony, i'd say the chicken all the way

weird how the germans and the japanese make really f'ed up porn, something to do with being conquered nations i wonder
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 14 Mar, 2011 08:52 pm
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/565958/201103141931/A-Saving-Grace.htm

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Catastrophe: If there was ever a more unfathomable disaster than Japan's huge earthquake, horrific tsunami and nuclear meltdown, we have yet to see it. But the courage and dignity of the Japanese people transcended it.

The world watched helplessly as a 9.0 earthquake hammered Japan's coast, and a tsunami's massive wall of black sludge spread its fingers across the northeast coast of Japan.

The incredible tsunami footage showed giant ships, cargo containers, houses, trains and cars flung around like toys. Bullet trains went missing and refineries went up in flames.

Worse still, there were explosions at nuclear plants. All along, Japan's pitiful survivors are without food, electricity, water, cell phones and gasoline in a freezing winter.

Despite the magnitude of these catastrophes, the Japanese so far are surmounting it, showing what hope is.

Common wisdom holds that nations that prepare for earthquakes do better than nations that don't. But Japan doesn't have merely good earthquake preparation; it has the best in the world.

None of this mattered in a disaster of this magnitude.

The nuclear situation saddens too. Seven decades ago, Japan went to war for control of conventional energy resources like oil. Embracing peace, Japan adopted nuclear energy to show it had ended its thirst for resources.

Now, the country faces a nuclear meltdown at three reactors amid fears of possible contamination.

Nature seemed to mock Japan's technology prowess.

The floating houses, business offices and cars were likely full of gleaming high-tech devices that were about to be turned into sludge. Japan's famed animators who pioneered disaster movies never imagined what nature could do until this week. And Japan's renowned cameras recorded it for the world.

Japan became the second-richest nation in the world despite being endowed with very few resources. This natural disaster is a cruel reminder that, at least in geography and resources, Japan remains poor.

But it's that very element of this disaster that shows that the most important aspect of the Japanese isn't their brilliance or their wealth, but their character.

They showed dignity and courage against nature's hardest blow, pulling together as a nation. The unaffected reached out to help, and victims refrained from mayhem and looting.

Little things tell stories: Store owners gave away bottled water and citizens lined up patiently and peacefully instead of fighting for advantage. Citizens shared their gasoline rations with the needy.

These acts are important because they're the only things that can make sense of a tragedy like this. The worst places on earth are those where senseless and casual killing take place. Ask any African or Colombian or Mexican what hopelessness is — and it's not Japan.

Japan may be dealing with an unimaginable disaster, but its people aren't acting as if they have lost hope.

That is one thing nature cannot mock. Japan's response can only be praised for that.

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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 14 Mar, 2011 11:50 pm
@gungasnake,
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I mean, granted I'd have problems dealing with Japanese society on a daily basis,


A snake like you would have problems dealing with any society.
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PUNKEY
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 02:05 am
Those people are in pure shock.

They have not thawed out yet.

I expect to see some frustration and acting out, but not on the scale of America's Katrina antics. And you can bet that the government won't be as slow.

. . .and I imagine we will see each and every Japanese citizen in the streets helping to clean up.
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 03:26 am
@PUNKEY,
Yes.

But what do these terrible events in Japan have to do with US politics?
Absolutely nothing.

Shame on those "commentators" who have attempted to use this tragedy for the Japanese people for their own base purposes!
Where is their humanity?
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 06:53 am
I mean, it isn't like the Japanese have any sort of racial superiority or anything like that. Subject a group of Japanese to the demoKKKrat welfare state for fifty years, give them politicians like that shitbird mayor of New Orleans, and then introduce a relatively minor natural event like Katrina into the picture, and they'd be out there looting, raping, and pillaging too.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 07:20 am
@gungasnake,
The Japanese tax more than the US.
The Japanese government provides health care for everyone.
The Japanese government provides a pension system for every worker in Japan.
The Japanese government provides low cost housing to low income people.
The Japanese government mandates maternity leave
The Japanese government helps pay for child care..

It seems the Japanese get more welfare than the people in New Orleans did.

Maybe the problem in NO was not enough welfare gunga.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 07:35 am
@gungasnake,
Japan definately has a significantly different culture than the US. Does that means it is better? Not sure - some things maybe, but maybe not all.

It is wonderful though to see people pulling together and willing to help each while maintaining a certain amount of respect for each - businesses as well as individuals. Although I am sure we can see examples of this also happening in times of trouble in the US. 9-11 - is an example. You saw people unselfishly helping one another. I've seen it locally during snowstorms - helping the elderly neighbors by shoveling them out and checking on them to make sure they don't need each other. And I am sure others can come up with lots of examples where a disaster did not result in looting.

I think a better question maybe why was their looting in New Orleans when something like that happened and how could we change this in the future/can we change this?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 07:55 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
I mean, it isn't like the Japanese have any sort of racial superiority or anything like that.
I don 't believe that the Japs agree with THAT.





David
Ragman
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 07:59 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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I don 't believe that the Japs agree with THAT.


Irrelevant and immaterial how superior they feel towards themselves as a race. The only relevance to their behavior is that they have enough pride and belief in civility that they conform to rules of decorum. They WANT to do the "right thing" even in dire life and death emergency. AND, you can feel that they will stick it out until they've recorvered. Unlike with Hurricane Katrina in N'awlins where, as soon as thingd got bad, trouble and social order broke down. Civic pride, values and governmental responsibility does matter and contribute toward preventing anarchy.

Love to see them get the help from the world that they need to get through this and survive. We have to recognize this is NOW worse than the destruction that happened in WW II they're being nuked 2 x.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 08:16 am
@Linkat,
But the unselfishness of the Japanese and the looters of NO are both a function of what Media has shown you. I doubt it being an accurate picture.

There's only one way to stop looting assuming public execution by crucifixtion is ruled out. It is to decrease the avidity of the desire for material wealth or, at the least, cease encouraging it Tantalus style.

I know that it will put a lot of well paid people out of a job but they could do other things.

Looting is a combination of the avidity and nerve. Doing something about either is a difficult business but I think the decrease in avidity for material wealth, which can't be instinctive because many don't share it, is the easier option. I think!

Maybe the Japanese express their avidity collectively whereas we tend to be more individualistic. Taking a chance like that on nuclear power does express a pretty extreme avidity. After all, this exploding plant they have there took years to build and one assumes that during that long and delicate process there were as many earth tremors and tsunami warnings as there are usually. Which is a lot. They even had poles in the streets with sirens on to sound the tsunami warnings. Even the bricklayers must have seen the spirit level bubble slip-sliding on a daily basis.

That's pretty strong collective avidity in my reckoning.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 08:44 am
@PUNKEY,
I was thinking the same thing, punkey. However, with three reactors putting the population in danger and with the possibility of the nearby ocean becoming polluted with atomic residue (not certain what the proper term is), the problems the Japanese face are more extreme than those faced by the people of NO.
Ragman
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 09:00 am
@plainoldme,
Sorry, but I was following you fine for awhile....but...

How was the person who was caught up in NO destruction fighting for their very survival - life-or-death - not in an as extreme situation? The macro-view from the outsider is not pertinent. Is the suffering a lot different at ground zero than not having any water, food, shelter, water, power, jobs, protection from the elements or rioting. What difference does it make at the time that they (Katrina sufferer) wasn't/weren't being irradiated?

Now, after this immediate nuke scenario (melt down) subsides, THEN, I agree, Japan has got far worse livability conditions. Irradiation pollution won't go away overnight. Recovery from the broader damage is far worse to pull out of.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 09:01 am
@gungasnake,
In other news, coastal communities see simultaneous rises in shark attacks and ice cream sales.

The obvious conclusion, of course, is that sharks love ice cream, so we should ban selling ice cream at the beach.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 09:03 am
@spendius,
It struck me after posting the above, before gunga's delightful composition, that the nuclear power promoters are assuming the avidity of the desire for material goods at at least its present level or, more probably, expecting an increase. Take that away and I hardly think they have a leg to stand on.

But is that avidity too big to fail? Has even Fox News taken the money for promoting it? I don't know. We don't see your ads. They edit our's in and they encourage it. But in the content section my impression is that Fox doesn't titivate the avidity as much as CBS does. It's too uncouth.

spendius
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 09:09 am
@spendius,
For a witty and reasonable explanation of the cultural sources of the avidity of the desire for material goods one might do worse than study Thorstein Veblen's masterpiece, a masterpiece of style as well as content, The Theory of the Leisure Class.

But be warned--it will decrease your avidity. Which is probably why it is not as well known as it deserves to be.
 

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