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House of Reps. member Giffords shot in Arizona today

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 05:46 pm
@okie,
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He may be free to do that as a citizen, but as a public official and as a sheriff making those statements, it shows his incompetence and unprofessionalism
Duty to the office, duty to justice, must come first. If he cant/won't do that then he is in the wrong job.
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JPB
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 05:52 pm
@firefly,
I've only read what has been posted here, but did he really threaten someone's life? He pointed a camera at someone and said, "You're dead" while taking a photo. Rather than threatening to kill him at some point in the future, couldn't he have simply been demonstrating how quickly someone can turn on you and kill you? Had he been carryng a gun instead of a camera then the man could have been killed.
okie
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 05:55 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:
...... couldn't he have simply been demonstrating how quickly someone can turn on you and kill you? .......
What he "demonstrated" is that he is not even close to being the brightest bulb in the house. Thats about as intelligent as telling bomb jokes in an airport.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 06:00 pm
@JPB,
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Rather than threatening to kill him at some point in the future, couldn't he have simply been demonstrating how quickly someone can turn on you and kill you? Had he been carryng a gun instead of a camera then the man could have been killed.
supported by the fact that our alleged nut has been involved in Tuscon politics for a lot of years, he certainly knows well the Tuscon Tea Party leader, this guy was certainly not taking a pic so that he could remember who to kill. We dont know why, but it is not that.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 06:02 pm
@okie,
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What he "demonstrated" is that he is not even close to being the brightest bulb in the house. Thats about as intelligent as telling bomb jokes in an airport
OKIE...have you ever been through a trauma, been highly stressed, and on pain meds all at the same time? If so, how did you act...was it all calm and logical? Did your behaviour in the moments accurately reflect your intelligence?
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 06:04 pm
@okie,
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
All the boogeymen will come and take you away
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 06:10 pm
@JTT,
Why stop singing?
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 06:22 pm
@reasoning logic,
The message was delivered.
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 06:31 pm
@JTT,
Fascinating demonstration of transferral of your own feelings onto others, JTT. You probably won't understand what I am going to point out, but maybe others will understand it and get it.

JTT's cute little saying about boogeymen is similar to other sayings used here in reference to other issues that conservatives believe are valid and real, one example being the war on terror, accusing those of us that believe terrorism is real and it is something to be opposed, yet we have just seen again another example of liberal pundits and politicians immediately accusing conservative political talk as playing a part in the crime in Arizona. The amazing effect observed here in my comparison is the apparent dismissal of real dangers in this world as boogeymen, while exaggerating things that are not at all dangerous in this world as their boogeymen.

All of this begs the question about what really goes on in the liberal mind and whether they are so unhinged from reality that they cannot differentiate their imagination from reality. It also begs the question about who are some peoples perceived enemies, are they real enemies or are they law abiding citizens that disagree with them? Obama seems to think so, if we can take some of his statements at face value. Is agreement necessary for some people to feel validated or for them to feel like they have self worth? What kind of mental condition is that? All of these observations and questions are fascinating to me as I observe politics and try to figure out how other people think, and why they think what they think.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 06:48 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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I think its Plain 's position
that a man is supposed to be helpless, defenseless,


No, she finds paranoia of your kind childish, annoying, but, worst of all, a threat to the liberty and safety of all.

plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 06:49 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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I want Dr. Paul for President.


He's a liar and not quite bright. The perfect candidate for your psychological profile.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 06:50 pm
@okie,
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one example being the war on terror, accusing those of us that believe terrorism is real and it is something to be opposed,


Terrorism is something that should be opposed, Okie. When might you begin to do so?

Don't read any of the following, Okie, or "the boogeyman comes and takes you away".

Quote:
Terrorism has replaced Communism as the rationale for the militarization of the country [America], for military adventures abroad, and for the suppression of civil liberties at home. It serves the same purpose, serving to create hysteria.

HOWARD ZINN, Terrorism and War


"This is a problem, of course; you've got to control the population. There is a classic answer to this problem: you frighten them."

Quote:

Terrorism: The Politics of Language

Noam Chomsky, 1986

excerpted from the book

Stenographers to Power - media and propaganda

David Barsamian interviews

...

Let's compare it [the terrorism of Libya] with El Salvador. In the same years in which Libya killed maybe fourteen, maybe 20 people, mostly Libyans, the government of El Salvador slaughtered about 50,000 people. Now that's not just terrorism, that's international terrorism, because it was done by us. We instituted the government as much as the Russians instituted the government in Afghanistan; we created the army, a terrorist army; we supplied, organized and directed it. The worst atrocities were carried out by American-trained elite battalions fresh from their training. The U.S. Air Force participated directly in coordinating bombing strikes-the terror was not ordinary killing. Libyan terror is bad enough; they kill people. But our terrorists first mutilate, torture, rape, cut them to pieces-it's hideous torture, Pol Pot-style. That's not called terrorism. El Salvador is not called a terrorist state. Jose Napoleon Duarte who has presided over all this, who has perceived his role from the beginning as ensuring that the murderers are supplied with weapons, and that nothing will interfere with the massacre which he knew was coming when he joined the military junta-he's called a great liberal hero, and El Salvador is considered a kind of magnificent triumph of democracy. Here's a major terrorist state-Libya is a very, very minor terrorist state but we see it the other way around, and the reason is because "terrorism" is used for them, not us, and because in the case of E1 Salvador it's plainly being done by a major state against its own citizens-in fact a state that we established, a client state of the United States. Therefore it can't be terrorism, by definition. This is true in case after case. My book about it, Pirates and Emperors, takes its title from a rather nice story by St. Augustine in his City of God. St. Augustine describes a confrontation between King Alexander the Great and a pirate whom he caught. Alexander the Great asks the pirate, "How dare you molest the sea?" The pirate turns to Alexander the Great and says, "How dare you molest the whole world? I have a small boat, so I am called a thief and a pirate. You have a navy, so you're called an emperor." St. Augustine concludes that the pirate's answer was elegant and excellent and that essentially tells the story. Retail terrorism directed against our interests is terrorism; wholesale terrorism carried out for our interests isn't terrorism.

The same is true in the Middle East region. In case after case, this is the way the term is used, and very effectively. In fact, it was very predictable that the Reagan administration would take international terrorism to be the core of its foreign policy, as it announced right off. The reason was that the administration made it very clear that it was going to be engaged in international terrorism on a massive scale, and since it's going to be engaged in international terrorism, naturally, in a good public relations directed world, you start off by saying that you're opposed to international terrorism. That shifts attention away from the crucial issue: that you're going to maximize international terrorism.

DB: Why the tremendous fascination with terrorism-the TV specials, the articles, the documentaries, the symposia, the conferences, and on and on-is there something deeper that's being touched by this?

NC: Oh, yes, very deep. It's very close to the Reagan administration's domestic policies. It's important to remember that the Reagan administration's policies are extremely unpopular, and for obvious reasons. The polls show this very clearly; on just about every major issue the public is strongly opposed to the Reagan programs. Take, say, social spending vs. military spending. When the question is asked in polls: Would you prefer to have a decrease in welfare payments or in military spending?, the overwhelming majority of the population supports social spending and opposes military spending. In fact, much of the population is quite willing to see taxes raised to improve social spending. The same is true on just about every issue. On intervention abroad (in other words, international terrorism, if we were to be honest), the population is strongly against it, by large majorities. The Reagan administration is for it. On the nuclear freeze, the public is overwhelmingly in favor of it; the figure is something like three to one. The administration is against it. And so on. As you go down the line, every major policy program is unpopular. This is a problem, of course; you've got to control the population. There is a classic answer to this problem: you frighten them.


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Corporate_Media/Terrorism_Chomsky_STP.html




plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 06:50 pm
@CoastalRat,
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So you're saying I might prefer seeing him in a pants-less commercial?


As long as he stands behind the podium!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 06:56 pm
@okie,
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I repeat, I believe it was predominantly a case of mental illness or instability or whatever,


Wow! For the first time, you found a subject on which you can speak with authority.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 06:58 pm
@okie,
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Perhaps one of the real issues here is why was Loughner not being scrutinized and watched more intently by law enforcement?


Scrutinized by whom? My guess is the proper authority here would be a branch of government or a governmentally funded and approved agency.

Wow! Are you asking for more government?

Or, are you admitting that government is not as powerful as the American right, in its paranoia, would fantasize that it is?
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 07:03 pm
While you're on the subject of terrorism, Okie, here are two quotes, the first of which sums up the reality;

"We can invade everyone from Grenada to Afghanistan, but if anyone spills a drop of our blood, it's terrorism."

PAUL CHRISTOPHER, The Lucifer Gospel

and the second one illustrates the propaganda stream that has turned weak brains like yours into mush;

"There is an international disease which feeds on the notion that if you have a cause to defend, you can use any means to further your cause, since the end justifies the means. As an international community, we must oppose this notion, whether it be in Canada, in the United States, or anywhere else. No cause justifies violence as long as the system provides for change by peaceful means."

RICHARD NIXON, speech, Oct. 1970

Why wasn't Nixon laughed off the stage when he uttered that big lie? Because big lies are the daily bread for US citizens.

I'm not really sure of the numbers, but way way too may just slurp it up, never questioning the duplicitous nature of practically everything that leaves the mouth of US politicians, US media, US pundits, ... .
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 07:04 pm
@okie,
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No. I am only pointing out more obvious flaws in the Democrats first hours accusation


The right has always been more violent than the left. If the opposite were true, palin and a few others would be pushing up daisies.
BillW
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 07:09 pm
@plainoldme,
The right wants everyone to shut up because they know how vulnerable their positions are. Then, their defense of themselves is pure whinery. They look and sound so pitiful.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 07:10 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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This is AMERICA; we do free enterprize here.

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

You are delusional! And paranoid as well!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jan, 2011 07:12 pm
@Rockhead,
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we have crack researchers?

(is there an opening on the ganja research team?)


I thought the reference was to what plumbers expose.
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