The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

Please, please, Spendius...tell me you are not going to use "withdrawal" or "no orgasm" as your "natural method."

What are you talking about here Frank? I'm talking about the whole relationship without contraception between two healthy adults of the opposite sex who fancy each other rotten or, if you prefer, are in love.

And if you could put down all your ridiculous sex "education" you will find that ladies can protect themselves in a variety of ways all of which are natural and require no intervention by business interests. 4,899,109

Are you seriously trying to maintain that a woman cannot prevent being impregnated without contraception? #4,899,163

They either chose not to use the natural methods in order to have a baby or they didn't know how to use them. How can they have had a kid if they used them? Are you saying they don't work? If so it is an admission. They do work. #4,899,226

Natural methods are 100% guaranteed. Non-natural methods are not 100%.
The natural method is two healthy adults rolling in the hay naked and having fun and determined to produce no after effects and knowing how not to. #4,899,249

Back in 2008, Rick Santorum traveled to Ave Maria University in Florida to deliver an address to students attending the Catholic university founded by Domino's Pizza founder Tom Monaghan which he moved from Michigan as part of his effort to build his own personal theocracy in Naples.

Santorum told the students at Ave Maria how lucky they were to be living in a time when God's Army is more needed than ever because all of the major institutions in society were under attack by Satan.

The audio of Santorum's remarks is still posted on the Ave Maria website and the bulk of his speech was dedicated to explaining how God had used him, his political career, and even the death of his son Gabriel in the fight to outlaw abortion in America.

But Santorum began his remarks by explaining to the students in attendance how every institution in America has been destroyed by Satan; from academia to politics with even the church having fallen under His sway - not the Catholic church, of course, but "mainline Protestantism" which is in such "shambles" that it is not even Christian any longer:

This is not a political war at all. This is not a cultural war. This is a spiritual war. And the Father of Lies has his sights on what you would think the Father of Lies would have his sights on: a good, decent, powerful, influential country - the United States of America. If you were Satan, who would you attack in this day and age? There is no one else to go after other than the United States and that has been the case now for almost two hundred years, once America's preeminence was sown by our great Founding Fathers.

He didn't have much success in the early days. Our foundation was very strong, in fact, is very strong. But over time, that great, acidic quality of time corrodes even the strongest foundations. And Satan has done so by attacking the great institutions of America, using those great vices of pride, vanity, and sensuality as the root to attack all of the strong plants that have so deeply rooted in the American tradition.

He was successful. He attacks all of us and he attacks all of our institutions. The place where he was, in my mind, the most successful and first successful was in academia. He understood pride of smart people. He attacked them at their weakest, that they were, in fact, smarter than everybody else and could come up with something new and different. Pursue new truths, deny the existence of truth, play with it because they're smart. And so academia, a long time ago, fell.

And you say "what could be the impact of academia falling?" Well, I would have the argument that the other structures that I'm going to talk about here had root of their destruction because of academia. Because what academia does is educate the elites in our society, educates the leaders in our society, particularly at the college level. And they were the first to fall.

And so what we saw this domino effect, once the colleges fell and those who were being education in our institutions, the next was the church. Now you’d say, ‘wait, the Catholic Church’? No. We all know that this country was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic but the Judeo-Christian ethic was a Protestant Judeo-Christian ethic, sure the Catholics had some influence, but this was a Protestant country and the Protestant ethic, mainstream, mainline Protestantism, and of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it. So they attacked mainline Protestantism, they attacked the Church, and what better way to go after smart people who also believe they’re pious to use both vanity and pride to also go after the Church.

After that, you start destroying the Church and you start destroying academia, the culture is where their next success was and I need not even go into the state of the popular culture today. Whether its sensuality of vanity of the famous in America, they are peacocks on display and they have taken their poor behavior and made it fashionable. The corruption of culture, the corruption of manners, the corruption of decency is now on display whether it’s the NBA or whether it’s a rock concert or whether it’s on a movie set.

The fourth, and this was harder, now I know you’re going to challenge me on this one, but politics and government was the next to fall. You say, ‘you would think they would be the first to fall, as fallible as we are in politics,’ but people in political life get elected by ordinary folks from lots of places all over the country where the foundations of this country are still strong. So while we may certainly have had examples, the body politic held up fairly well up until the last couple of decades, but it is falling too.

Santorum told the students at Ave Maria how lucky they were to be living in a time when "God's Army" is more needed than ever because all of the major institutions in society were under attack by Satan.

Describe the "natural method" of contraception that is 100% effective.

Or just acknowledge that there is no such method.

Yeah, but we are trying to come to a "natural method" that will pass muster with the people who are against artificial birth control. Somehow, I doubt they are touting back door entry.

Sheesh Frank. Did you not understand the post on Sterne's justly famous blank page. I left a similar space in the post. Whatever floats your boat plus the determination.

Is it really that difficult to understand?

Frank - you know I always like to read you, but this thread has over 100,000 views and it's a safe bet most of those lookups are due to its title, not because readers are too young to have heard of the birds and the bees. Why not go to the evolution thread where Spendius is already involved in a sex ed argument?

Why not just assume I am a moron...and actually spell out what you are suggesting? Tell us what the method you are proposing is.

I am beginning to think you are a moron Frank.

Just as Mr Sterne left each reader free to describe widow Wadman's attractions so do I leave him or her free to describe their own methods of fun with 100% certainty of not causing an unwanted pregnancy.

I'm not proposing any method.

There is no method.

Yeah, but we are trying to come to a "natural method" that will pass muster with the people who are against artificial birth control. Somehow, I doubt they are touting back door entry.

Oral. Manual.