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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 04:39 pm
@mysteryman,
Unknowns have been known to win.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 05:20 pm
Mitt Romney could have a problem (along with other problems) with his state's health care program, which his administration engineered. When it was passed he said that it could become a blue print for programs throughout the U.S.
The new Congress will take aim at the Obama health care bill, working to repeal it outright (unlikely) or de-fund various aspects of it. Polls show that most Americans favor repeal (although I think that most Americans will discover that they like certain aspects of it, such as coverage of pre-existing conditions. It is the mandate to have insurance that upsets people and will probably end up before the Supreme Court).
Anyway, Romney is back peddling furiously from the linking of the Massachusetts program from the federal plan.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 05:45 pm
I concede I don't know too much about the MA health care program vs Obama's. I invite someone to do a compare and contrast. Thanks.
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jcboy
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 07:47 pm
I think the republican nomination should be the loudest toe tapper in the mens room stalls at the next republican national convention. There will be quite a few to choose from no doubt.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 07:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I am at work, but when I get home I will post the link to the website with the possible Republican candidate's.
I will give my opinion of each of them.
Most of you know me well enough to know that I give honest opinions and don't let my own political views color them, at least I try not to.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 08:06 pm
@mysteryman,
Quote:
Most of you know me well enough to know that I give honest opinions and don't let my own political views color them, at least I try not to.


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 08:09 pm
@sozobe,
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... I think Pawlenty has a real shot at it.



Quote:

Fact Free Pawlenty


With the new year comes the beginning of the 2012 presidential race. Outgoing Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty is making his move. He’s written a book, and he’s written a recent op-ed article for the Wall Street Journal. That article is so devoid of facts that Pawlenty has been awarded the “Pants on Fire” rating on PolitiFact’s Truth-o-meter.

This should make him a shoo-in for the Republican nomination.

http://jonathanturley.org/2010/12/25/fact-free-pawlenty/

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 08:11 pm
@JTT,
Didn't know who Pawlenty was, but from my reading of the article, he should run along with Palin.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 08:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Maybe he could share that "pants on fire" award with MM.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 08:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
As a sidebar. Back in the early 70's I worked as a CPA in one of the country's major accounting firms in the Atlanta office. My field was the audits of Savings and Loans. That was back when they were locally owned and managed and well run. That meant spending a week in some god-awful place like Valdosta, Tifton or Moutrie. Seemingly nothing to do except go back to our rooms in the Holiday Inn and get bad tv reception.
My boss was a good ole boy. We started going to all of the county fairs that summer. And that is how I got to know Jimmy Carter, who was running for Governor. I heard his stump speech; in fact, I heard it often enough that I could recite it as effortlessly as he did, almost word for word along with him.
I met him often, shook his hand and he would flash that toothy smile. I am pretty confidant, but I never knew for sure, that he recognized me and he must have wondered who this camp follower with longish hair was.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 08:18 pm
@realjohnboy,
I'm sure Jimmy Carter has met thousands of people during his campaigning and touring as president, and also as a supporter of Habitat for Humanities - and that would make it nearly impossible for him to remember names - even after meeting people several times.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 08:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
True, but he was running for Gov, where he was lucky to draw 100 people (including a bunch of bored, screaming kids) at a rural county fair in the red clay country of southern Georgia. Have you ever been to Moutrie?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 08:48 pm
@realjohnboy,
Never been to Moultrie, but is there something I should know about that place? Screaming kids will always be successful in obliterating names. Mr. Green Drunk
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 09:48 pm
There is an article in this week's National Review that might interest people on this topic. It is 3 pages so I'll only post a link and the introductory paragraphs.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/255596/republican-class-war-ramesh-ponnuru
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December 20, 2010 4:00 A.M.
The Republican Class War
From the December 31, 2010, issue of NR

There is now a class divide in the Republican party. Mitt Romney, the leading establishment candidate for the party’s presidential nomination in 2012, draws support from affluent, college-educated Republicans. Voters without college degrees, on the other hand, look more favorably on Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin — the potential candidates who most consistently rail against “elites” and “country-clubbers.”

This division is relatively new to the Republican party. In the past it was the Democrats who were riven by class conflict. In 2008 journalist Ron Brownstein analyzed the primary battle between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in terms of a longstanding split between “beer track” and “wine track” Democrats. Downscale Democrats tended to prefer candidates who would fight for their material interests, while upscale Democrats had a more ideological bent.


[Then there is a bunch of analysis of statistics before it concludes with:]

Quote:
Some conservatives are making the right moves at the state level. Govs. Mitch Daniels of Indiana and Chris Christie of New Jersey have successfully used the language of shared sacrifice to press for difficult structural reforms, always careful to emphasize that the short-term pain will be accompanied by long-term gain.

Working-class voters, who are increasingly important to the GOP, have different priorities and sensibilities than other voters. They’re not necessarily unalterably opposed to free trade and entitlement reform, but they need reassurance that they’re not going to be left behind. Representing all elements of this new Republican coalition will be difficult. But there is a payoff: The politician who can do it will be well positioned to secure a national majority.

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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 09:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Never been to Moultrie, but is there something I should know about that place? Screaming kids will always be successful in obliterating names.

He won, defeating Carl Sanford as I recall. Sanford was a very erudite Atlanta lawyer. A smart man but he never was able to handle the red clay and screaming kids like Carter could. I think I voted for Sanford.
I enjoy tossing in irrelevant stuff.
Back on topic...
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failures art
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 10:07 pm
I believe that this thread is about observing the various people and their relationship nationally and internally with the RNC. It's not about who is liked or best, but more about who is most likely.

This means that liberal commentary about particular candidates being unfavorable to them personally isn't going to mean much. We shouldn't waste text.

Liberals all seem to form consensus that a person like Palin is a bad pick but what matters is what conservatives think (at least at the moment). If Palin (I'm just using her because she came to mind first) is to be discussed, then her ability to raise money, and assemble popular brand is what is of value.

Much of who is picked will say a lot about what the RNC feels is the best strategy as a whole. Aim for the moderates or galvanize staunch conservatives and concentrate on voter mobilization.

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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 10:31 pm
@failures art,
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Much of who is picked will say a lot about what the RNC feels is the best strategy as a whole.
Rockefeller was the pick of the RNC but Goldwater won the convention.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 10:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yeah, but that was early. I met jfk early, just a few of us at LAX, but I was just a happy kid.


Oh, wait, I said I wouldn't be posting.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 06:08 am
Who will liberals pick to run against Obama?
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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 09:38 am
@mysteryman,
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Sarah Palin...self proclaimed conservative
Mike Huckabee..conservative
Newt Gingrich...conservative, former Speaker of the House
Mitt Romney..hard to get a read on his politics


Palin - has to get the capitalist of the year award. Never has someone with such little talent or results reaped such large financial rewards from the spotlight. She has definitely capitalized on her 15 minutes of fame. Likable, but President? of what?

Huckabee - A good man but too far right. Wouldn't win in November.

Gingrich - too much baggage. Too many promises, too little results.

Romney - the only real contender at this point.

Being a proud liberal, I probably should stay away from this thread.
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