As for the original question - how to win the war on terror, or more in generally, how to take the wind out of the sails of the extremists; my answers would focus on democratisation, transparency, socio-economic opportunities, fair deals. I mean,
of course you need to deploy whatever means necessary to take out the terrorist leaders who are targeting your folk. That's one. But if you leave it at that, you're "mopping with the tap turned open", as we say. So: democratisation, transparency, socio-economic opportunities, fair deals. Stop propping up corrupt, ruthless dictatorships that foster a popular resentment and exasperation that will sooner or later translate into more footsoldiers for the fundamentalist leaders. Dont believe Karimov and his like if they're saying their totalitarianism serves to protect against fundamentalism and extremism - it is
fostering them. Idealistic though it might sound - promoting fair and open societies is the only feasible long-term answer against any political or religious extremism.
But I already pretty made my case in the Guantanamo thread, discussing with ILZ
on democratisation in the ME and in the "Terrorism, Crime: how does poverty factor in?" thread on the Roundtable. See the quotes below - one from each thread.
Oh, and sorry for just barging in on this thread, not reading the discussion so far but simply only responding to the original question - will read up and perhaps react some later time!
in the Guantanamo thread I wrote:I am not underestimating the danger of political Islamist extremism. But its growing influence is the product of the utter popular frustration with the current closed, authoritarian systems in the first place - systems in which citizens have little say and which frustrate their every ambition. And it will continue to grow the longer the Arab countries wait with reforms. If the switch to democracy had been made twenty years ago, fundamentalism would never have become what it is now. As it is now, the risk has increased but trying to smother it any longer under the repressive lid of authoritarian "stability" will really make it explode. The longer they wait with democratic elections, the greater the chance that fundamentalists will win them. Yes, that's a gloomy outlook.
Oddly enough, the popularity of fundamentalism is an expression of democratic frustration. If a move is made now, the longing for democracy may still outweigh the penchant for the fundamentalists' anti-Westernism ... and the fifty-fifty balance between them [..] will still persuade some Islamists to accept a hybrid of the two sets of values for their government (as they did in Turkey). The longer we wait ... [..]
Karimov's Uzbek dictatorship [for example] is positively one of the most totalitarian and criminal of present-day Eurasia. Check any human rights report. He's far worse than most of your "glorified dictatorships" - he's the real thing. And for over ten years now he's managed to get away with it, abroad, by referring to some abstract Islamist danger. Well, back in 1990 the Muslim movement there was moderate, and had allied itself with pro-Western democrats. Then Karimov cracked down. Ever since, people have been imprisoned and tortured at random while Karimov's cronies rob the land. In the meantime, any oppositional pamphlet or muffled protest has been hit on as more evidence of the supposed "Islamist danger", though there is little sign of a wide-spread movement of anything like the extremism found further south. It's propping up people like Karimov that has gotten us in this ****, with people turning to fundamentalism as their last resort in anger and frustration, in the first place. [..]
[Democracy is] not the solution to all the world's problems ... but democracy is a system that promotes transparency in governance and thus in economy, corruption is on average lower in democracies, in democracies the leaders are slightly less likely to spend all their budget on arms and nepotism and thus slightly more likely to spend it on education and health care, which benefits the economy again, leading to ... well, et cetera - not mentioning freedom of media, human rights and all that.
[You write:] "In other places, like most nations in the Middle East, democracy would result in leadership that is more fundamentalist and anti-Western than the dictators they are replacing" - could well be - but propping up these dictators for longer still will definitely further boost fundamentalist and anti-Western trends - and imagine what will ensue once they are, after all, swept away ...
[quote="in the "terrorism, crime, poverty" thread I"]Most all of us here have said it - terrorist and extremist leaders and ideologues are often men of means. But they need footsoldiers to fight for them, blow themselves up for them. The Casablanca bombing may have been directed by Osama's Al-Qaeda - but the men who carried the bombs were from the local slums. The footsoldiers are often people who
do live in a poverty that, as Sofia put it so nicely. "leeches hope and possibility for future happiness out of their lives".
Or, as Howard Dean put it yesterday,
"Today, billions of people live on the knife's edge of survival, trapped in a struggle against ignorance, poverty, and disease. Their misery is a breeding ground for the hatred peddled by bin Laden and other merchants of death."
You need a strategy to hit out at those "merchants of death", often quite wealthy people - and you need a strategy to drain the reservoir of people desperate enough to see joining their "troops" as the only way to achieve a better life, if not here than in the afterlife. That means fighting poverty - or more precisely, fighting desperation.
Desperation is a powerful force that doesn't hinge just on poverty without prospects - that just breeds resignation - but on the combination of poverty and fear, as Roger pointed out. On the [..] sense that even that which they have is acutely threatened, or the frustration at opportunities they have come to see - but are barred from reaching.
At the moment, in the ME, its just the extremists who are capitalising on this desperation. You need a strategy to tackle the situation where the extremists are the only ones offering schools and social help to those who would otherwise be without - and who thus accept in gratitude what are basically instruments of indoctrination. There are so many people there who've come to want serious schools, like they've come to want serious politics, but who are faced with indifferent, corrupt, (semi-)dictatorial state bureaucracies - and only the fundamentalists have the network in place to jump in the gap and cater to their needs and desires.
To counter the fundamentalists, you need to offer more than a fight - you need to offer an alternative.
In a way the neo-cons are therefore to be praised for steering at something far beyond the mere pacification/stablisation of establishing a "friendly regime" in Iraq - to aspire to remake the country, so to say. Its just that the target they chose was highly odd: in a region awash with fundamentalist agitation, Saddam's Iraq was not among the places where the terrorists came from. [..]
Basically, it should have been (and still is) a question of putting one's money where one's mouth is.
One - fighting terrorism means hitting at the terrorists - focus on Al-Qaeda, dont let yourself be diverted into other tempting ME causes. "Osama" should have remained the prime target from day one.
Two - draining the extremists' reservoirs of support (and keep them from filling back up) means providing an alternative to what the fundamentalists are offering. If you cant, obviously, go in there yourself (because you'd be seen as imposing your imperialist will) - and the governments of the region can't be trusted, find other ways. Be like Soros in Eastern Europe: find the local actors that
do aim to offer a modernist alternative - and swamp the region with support and funding for good schools, independent media, community initiatives. Bypass the corrupt governments and boost a civil society that simultaneously provides an alternative to the fundamentalist networks and pressures those governments to reform. And I mean a
lot of money - almost as much as fully-fledged war costs. See it as a bottom-up Marshall Plan. It worked wonders in Central Europe.
Idealistic? Perhaps. But as long as I don't see the Bush administration make even the smallest move in this direction - being stingy about it if not outright hostile to the very notion - and pour all its money instead into military action (aimed, to wit, at a place that wasn't involved in jihadist terrorism in the first place), I see us losing the war on terrorism.[/quote]