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North Korea: What to do?

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 01:34 am
@JTT,
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why is there so much toleration for the "indiscriminate attack on civilians" perpetrated by the USA?
Because you are making it up.
Ionus
 
  -3  
Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 01:35 am
@JTT,
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The US losses would be severe.
And this is somehow important?

Racist! You are a sad hateful little person.
FBM
 
  1  
Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 04:51 am
The 4-day US-ROK naval exercises will not include live firing, but things like refueling and communications and the like. Kinda reduces the chances of any unexpected fireworks.
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FBM
 
  1  
Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 06:01 am
If anybody's interested, here's the Operations Plan for this situation: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/oplan-5027.htm
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Eudaimon
 
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Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 09:01 am
@FBM,
I just wanted to express my own view upon this matter. The regime in the North Korea is a brutal tyranny, perhaps the same as it was in the Stalin times. But what will happen when in come to an end. Imagine that Korea is already reunited... Capitalism with all its perversions will come to the North. Is that good? I consider the fate Russia where I live. Of course, now we have Internet, many other conveniences, incredible in the Soviet times. But you see we miss something. Probably it is hard to understand for those who never lived in that time, have no relation to it. In the Soviet times people had a belief, that human is something more than animal whose only law struggle, and was expressed in the Soviet art and culture. Now from every angle we are taught that "homo homini lupus est"... capitalism...
Please understand that I am not protecting NK regime. Just my feelings...
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 09:27 am
@Eudaimon,
Good point. I don't think that the Coca-colonization of NK will solve all their problems, but at least their problems won't be starvation and tyranny. It will most likely also result in the restoration of a great deal of their natural environment, as the chronic hunger has forced them to devastate the majority of it. I'd hate to see NK turn into a carbon copy of SK, but I have to admit that, given a choice between the oppressed, brainwashed conditions in the North and the greed-fueled capitalist South, I'd still go with the South. Why? Freedom of information, freedom of speech, access to the world at large, etc. We're all brainwashed to a certain extent; it's just a matter of choosing your poison.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 12:18 pm
@failures art,
failures art wrote:

But not for a few more years.

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We DON 'T HAVE a few more years to donate to Red Korea
to develop its nuclear weapons and its delivery systems.





David
JTT
 
  -2  
Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 12:48 pm
@Ionus,
You are mighty delusional, Ionus. Might you be trying to cover your butt for your own war crimes.


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Laos
Every year thousands of people, mostly children and poor farmers, are killed in the Plain of Jars in Northern Laos, the scene of the heaviest bombing of civilian targets in history, it appears, and arguably the most cruel: Washington's furious assault on a poor peasant society had little to do with its wars in the region. The worst period was after 1968, when Washington was compelled to undertake negotiations (under popular and business pressure), ending the regular bombardment of North Vietnam. Kissinger and Nixon then shifted the planes to the task of bombarding Laos and Cambodia.

The deaths are from "bombies," tiny anti-personnel weapons, far worse than land mines: they are designed specifically to kill and maim, and have no effect on trucks, buildings, etc. The Plain was saturated with hundreds of millions of these criminal devices, which have a failureto-explode rate of 20 30 percent, according to the manufacturer, Honeywell. The numbers suggest either remarkably poor quality control or a rational policy of murdering civilians by delayed action. This was only a fraction of the technology deployed, which also included advanced missiles to penetrate caves where families sought shelter.

Current annual casualties from "bombies" are estimated from hundreds a year to "an annual nationwide casualty rate of 20,000," more than half of them deaths, according to the veteran Asia reporter Barry Wain of the, Wall Street Journal-in its Asia edition. A conservative estimate, then, is that the crisis this year is approximately comparable to Kosovo, though deaths are far more highly concentrated among children-over half, according to studies reported by the Mennonite Central Committee, which has been working in Laos since 1977 to alleviate the continuing atrocities.

There have been efforts to publicize and deal with the humanitarian catastrophe. A British-based Mine Advisory Group (MAG) is trying to remove the lethal objects, but the US is "conspicuously missing from the handful of western organizations that have followed MAG," the British press reports, though it has finally agreed to train some Laotian civilians. The British press also reports, with some annoyance, the allegation of MAG specialists that the US refuses to provide them with "render harmless procedures" that would make their work "a lot quicker and a lot safer." These remain a state secret, as does the whole affair in the United States.

The Bangkok press reports a very similar situation in Cambodia, particularly the eastern region, where US bombardment after early 1969 was most intense.

In this case, the US reaction is (II): do nothing. And the reaction of the media and commentators is to keep silent, following the norms under which the war against Laos was designated a "secret war"-meaning well-known, but suppressed, as was also in the case of Cambodia from March 1969. The level of self-censorship was extraordinary then, as is ~ the current phase.




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The war then, of course, expanded. The US expanded the war to Laos and Cambodia. As in Vietnam, and Laos and Cambodia, too, the targets were primarily civilian. The main target, however, was always South Vietnam. That included saturation bombing of the densely populated Mekong Delta and air raids south of Saigon that were specifically targeting villages and towns. They were deciding, "let's put a B-52 raid on this town." Huge terror operations like "Speedy Express" and "Bold Mariner" and others were aimed specifically at destroying the civilian base of the resistance.

You might say that the My Lai massacre was a tiny footnote to one of these operations, insignificant in context. The Quakers had a clinic nearby, and they knew about it immediately because people were coming in wounded and telling stories. They didn't even bother reporting it because it was just standard, it was going on all the time. Nothing special about My Lai.

It gained a lot of prominence later, after a lot of suppression, and I think the reason is clear: it could be blamed on half-crazed, uneducated GIs in the field who didn't know who was going to shoot at them next, and it deflected attention away from the commanders who were directing the atrocities far from the scene-for example, the ones plotting the B-52 raids on villages. And it also deflected attention away from the apologists at home who were promoting and defending all of this. All of them must receive immunity from criticism, but it's okay to say a couple of half-crazed GIs did something awful.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Chomsky/LegacyWar_RSChom.html
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 12:57 pm
@Ionus,
Your grasp of English is really not all that good for a fella who pretends to be a capital W "writer".
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 01:02 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Y'all shouldn't be pointing fingers, Om. Who is it that has the biggest stockpile of the worst WMDs known to mankind?
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 06:46 pm
Yet another admission of war crimes right from the horse's mouth.* And y'all wonder what North Korea is afraid of. Think about the response from the USA vis a vis 9/11, compare it to the brutality the people of Korea [not only the north] suffered at the hands of the USA from 1950-53 and maybe, just maybe you'll start to get the picture.

[* Curtis LeMay admitted to war crimes in WWII and here we have his admission to war crimes during the Korean conflict]


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KNOW THE FACTS: North Korea lost 30% of its population as a result of US bombings in the 1950s

by Michel Chossudovsky



The World is at a dangerous crossroads.

The US is seeking a pretext to wage war on North Korea.

North Korea is said to constitute a threat to Global Security.

From the Truman Doctrine to Obama. The history of the 1950s Korean confirms that extensive war crimes were committed against the Korean people. As confirmed by the statement of General Curtis Lemay:

"Over a period of three years or so we killed off - what - twenty percent of the population."

North Korea lost thirty percent of its population as a result of US led bombings in the 1950s. US military sources confirm that 20 percent of North Korea's population was killed off over a three period of intensive bombings:

"After destroying North Korea's 78 cities and thousands of her villages, and killing countless numbers of her civilians, [General] LeMay remarked, "Over a period of three years or so we killed off - what - twenty percent of the population."1 It is now believed that the population north of the imposed 38th Parallel lost nearly a third its population of 8 - 9 million people during the 37-month long "hot" war, 1950 - 1953, perhaps an unprecedented percentage of mortality suffered by one nation due to the belligerance of another."

During The Second World War the United Kingdom lost 0.94% of its population, France lost 1.35%, China lost 1.89% and the US lost 0.32%. During the Korean war, North Korea lost 30 % of its population.

These figures of civilian deaths in North Korea should also be compared to those compiled for Iraq by the Lancet Study (John Hopkins School of Public Health). The Lancet study estimates a total of 655,000 Iraqi civilian deaths, following the US led invasion (March 2003- June 2006).

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22131
failures art
 
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Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 06:53 pm
@JTT,
Do you hear that South Korea? JTT says suck it up because the USA has bombed Korea, so the DPRK is acting perfectly normal.

Stop trying to make this incident about the USA. We both know it has nothing to do with it. The USA has a shitty history of installing brutal totalitarians into power, but in this case, North Korea has the former USSR to thank for its madmen.

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 06:55 pm
@failures art,
failures art wrote:

Do you hear that South Korea? JTT says suck it up because the USA has bombed Korea, so the DPRK is acting perfectly normal.

Stop trying to make this incident about the USA. We both know it has nothing to do with it. The USA has a shitty history of installing brutal totalitarians [ ?? ] into power, but in this case, North Korea has the former USSR to thank for its madmen.

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Someone makes it OBVIOUS
that he does not know what totalitarian IS,
nor that North Korea ` IS totalitarian.

Its more than an issue of bad mental health.





David
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 06:57 pm
@JTT,
I knew it ! You never felt so alive as during the Vietnam war when you were telling people what to do and demanding it happen now. Get with the times. Without war crimes you are a pathetic little psychotic loser with nothing to live for.....that is why you cant face reality. It is all in your head.
Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 07:01 pm
@JTT,
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Your grasp of English is really not all that good for a fella who pretends to be a capital W "writer".
You would be surprised what a good editor with a spell checker can achieve for someone with the thoughts......probably that will never be of concern to you.....we can simply read any tired worn out anti-Vietnam war literature for your opnion and it will be far better expressed than your baby-bayonetting psychotic ranting.

In the meantime I suggest you look up the rules for using capitals before you make a greater fool of yourself.....damn near impossible, but you are very good at it so I thought it worth mentioning.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 07:01 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:
I knew it ! You never felt so alive as during the Vietnam war when you were telling people what to do and demanding it happen now. Get with the times. Without war crimes you are a pathetic little psychotic loser with nothing to live for.....that is why you cant face reality. It is all in your head.
Ionus, I neither know nor care what JTT said to u,
but he is not able to reason. Hopeless; like arguing with a dog.





David
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 07:02 pm
@JTT,
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Who is it that has the biggest stockpile of the worst WMDs known to mankind?
Russia. As usual you get it wrong. You always get it wrong. Are you aware of your mental illness ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 07:05 pm
@JTT,
Have your little heroes in Al Qaeda ever admitted to getting parking tickets ? Has North Korea ever admitted to war crimes ? You are an unbelieveably stupidly racist.
JTT
 
  0  
Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 07:26 pm
@failures art,
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Do you hear that South Korea? JTT says suck it up because the USA has bombed Korea, so the DPRK is acting perfectly normal.


How do you think that the USA would act if China had all sorts of war materiel sitting in Canada and floating around the Grand Banks and Vancouver Island? Consider how the USA reacted when only 2800 were killed.

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Stop trying to make this incident about the USA. We both know it has nothing to do with it. The USA has a shitty history of installing brutal totalitarians into power, but in this case, North Korea has the former USSR to thank for its madmen.


To suggest that the USA has nothing to do with this is disingenuous in the extreme, Art.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 27 Nov, 2010 07:29 pm
@Ionus,
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Has North Korea ever admitted to war crimes?


I don't know, but that has nothing to do with the war crimes/terrorist acts/mass murder committed by the USA.
 

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