Moderators Needed for the New Philosophy Forum Group on A2K

So tell me a little more about this perceived disparity, Zetherin.

If you're in any position to ...

Oh, we just don't want people thinking that by making this group we're trying to distance ourselves from the main forum. We're not, and we'd like members to actively participate in both segments! That's all.

Well yes, that's exactly along the lines of what I was advocating, Zetherin.

Though, as an outsider, it's sounding to me like the Philosohpy Forum is dead & buried & that there are now efforts underway to attempt to resuscitate it in another new forum ... rather than it being "the main forum" at this point in time.

Just to clarify again, three groups have been spoken of:
1.) A2Kers
2.) The former philosophy forum members that left after the merge and which are now starting their own forum
3.) The former philosophy forum members that have decided to stay at A2K and which are now planning on participating in the new philforum group

(2) is completely irrelevant. I wish them well, but they aren't of our concern anymore.

When I said "the main forum", I was referring to (1). We hope (1) and (3) can still maintain a community, and that (1) participates in (3)'s group and vice versa.

Oh, and this group is an attempt to resuscitate the old philforum - at least in our own way - and we thank Robert for giving us the opportunity.

Couldn't be any more clear.

Absolutely no problem with that, Zetherin.

Thanks for the clarification.

Hola,

Nice discussion. I know we're wandering even farther off topic here (apologies again), but I really wouldn't mind commenting here - chiming in and offering clarification where possible.


Yea, I think so. There are quite a number of interpersonal dynamics at play here. The lingering disatisfaction (and even resentment among some) at the demise of our former home has morphed into some odd behavior. Completely understandable as most of them are, there's been quite a bit more friction that what I see as 'called for'.


By the way, quite cute seeing you two try and figure out whose talking about what. As a complete side note: I see an awful, awful lot of threads that usually turn into bickering when such indefinite-reference issues cause a perceived disagreement. Its truly refreshing to see people actually work it out before going ballistic. Very rare and Very Nice


I'm not sure if someone answered this for ye; No, it's not up yet and - to my knowledge - no address info has been released whatsoever. Its taking a while; they're going to some real lengths to get everything in place just right before releasing anything. I'm very curious as well.


I remember that and to this day remain puzzled about one aspect: How'd that episode get so horribly overblown? To me it was a "Yes this happened", "Ok so-and-so meant this" yet it spun out of control like a growing emotional tornado. I fear (all too often these days), the sentiment, "Let's just let it go - its no big deal" has been kicked to the curb; as if maturity has fallen from grace and being-angry and knee-jerk reacting is the new standard... ugh. But - of course - I wasn't privy to all the details so perhaps this is just my lack of info talking...


That episode really pained me. Carolyn is one of the most sensitive, caring and empathetic posters I've come across on this here internet-thingy. Truth be told; she wasn't given the guidance and specific limits with which to do her job. She went forth, tried to do what she thought was right - and with her toolbox missing vital wrenches, ended up stepping over lines.

Y'all can take a lesson from that: Carefully delineate what your mods should and shouldn't do - should and shouldn't address. Carolyn's experience can be a most-excellent guidepost on how NOT to put new mods into a losing situation. *dismounting my soapbox*


I'm really glad someone brought this up.

During this whole time of friction and discord over the "forum" talk, I've had this question lingering in my head: "What's wrong with simply doing both - gravitating towards one or the other as the discussions & atmosphere strike our fancy? While I think its normal that humans tend to gravitate towards groups we see as "like us" - this tends to limit us (and can also lead to some nasty behaviors - ref: history)


Can I add one?
4) Those who plan on doing their part to be a good community member to both
... I don't mean to waxe self-righteous, but sometimes openly acknowledging an as of yet 'unspoken option' can open possibilities.


Concur - Despite the bumps in the road (and occasional sink-hole), a good number of us recognize and appreciate the extreme lengths he's gone to. High effort - even if it doesn't always work - needs to be acknowledged. For its own sake, it should be always encouraged.

Thanks

Are you a Presbyterian minister Khettie?

I sunk lower and lower in the pew as I read through that feeling more and more deeply ashamed of myself.

Khethil posts are good, I always really enjoy them. I'm always asking him annoying questions.

Hi Msolga!

I left, because I need sleep of an evening (Early morning).

I intend to post at both sites, because I choose to and I enjoy the majority of the discussions her. I even enjoy the threads drifting off into oblivion occassionally.

My earlier references (not overdramatic - I'm an author (poetic)) were simply to point out that in order to get to the new group, a person looking for philosophy, alone, would likely be put off by the diversity of other general themes here.

Not I! or those who have chosen to remain posting here, 'people looking solely for philosophical debate'.

For instance; If you wanted to speak to a doctor about your back pain, you would go to his/her surgery rather than to a convention discussing the history of everything, even though therein was a lecture on back pain.

May not be a great analogy, but do you get the drift?

Kind regards!
mark...

Hi Caroline!

Maybe once you are used to my descriptive style you will object less to my posts.
Don't take them at face value please, or you will see little of of what I actually propose or explain.

Have a great day day!
Mark...

When you say something is hell, well how the hell am I supposed to take it. How's the list?

Well Caroline--one of your number rubbished Trivia and Word games without bothering to try their hand at it. Which doesn't augur well for the participation of your group. It seemed rather snobbish to me.

Try doing philosophy in acronyms and associations and having to start with a word not of your choosing. Have you seen the daft signs thread? What's new in Khettie's post. I've been hearing little homilies like that ever since I got mature enough to find forgiveness difficult to find.

Chill spendi Keth is a good friend of mine, don't be dissing my mates, what's he done to you? Who rubbished word games? Name them please spendius, thank you. I've just been playing one all night so don't tar us all with the same brush.

Thanks Caroline, but its completely unnecessary. As soon as one bolts out on the internet and into forums folks like this arise left and right. Their bitterness and resentment drip from every word - poisoning anyone who'll listen and destroying reason for hate, thoughtfulness for accusation and defense.

It doesn't bother me; nor is it deserving of your attentions. Trolls will be tolls - to expect them to be otherwise is a losing proposition.

Thanks

I don't know why I'm giving this weasel a chance to redeem himself, prick.

There were five or six as I remember (I have yet to import the E-mails from the old computer to the new one---hopefully the old computer's HD will survive one more time).

Hi Zeth!

I never think you are being fresh with me. I value your opinion and intellect more than you can imagine.

The list: "The list of people that choose not to post here". By using the reference to the 'flaming' thread, I am only addressing the fact that you are more accepting and, indeed, forgiving of the problems that can arise from seemingly innocent actions - Ergo, you are not on the list of those who choose not to post here, because you are more accepting of the surrounding environment. But, you do understand the mindset of those who cannot bear said environment. It is 'hellish' to them.

Even those who tried to join-in were constantly harrassed by a certain 'collective'. Some of which are on this thread, doing what they enjoy most - being disruptive. I can't see their posts, because I ignore them, but others who encounter/ed them are sensitive to such things and, 'once bitten...'.

Now, you are saying that those who are guilty of such stupidity will be allowed to frequent the very group that should be aimed at promoting their absence. If not, what is the point of the group?
The first person you suspend from the group will cry 'outrage' on the general forum and introduce a new conflict that will further the alienation that already exists.

I don't care - I enjoy such challenges, But 'others' do.

Kind regards Zeth!
Mark...

Ah, thank you, jgweed.
An answer to my initial (confusing) question today!

Hi Caroline!

Aplying 'us all' is further generating the collective your post is attempting to negate. It is a commonly misused phrase.

Just thought you might like to know..

Kind regards!
Mark...