Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

I 've abandoned it. I have no fear.

This is clearly untrue, or else you wouldn't softly stroke your guns
and whisper to them how much you love them all the time.

If you have no fear, then you don't need a weapon,
because you have no fear of what would happen if you didn't have one. Right?

If the Moslems prevail in giving us the finger
with this World Trade Center mosque, I 'll have a low opinion of it.
I'll understand it to be an expression of the Moslems' enmity and contempt,
but I 'll not respond with emotion; wasteful n futile.

And Bigotry is not?

Hate is not wasteful and futile?

The only person 'getting the finger' is you,
David

because you have created a boogeyman,
who you now hate and fear. It's entirely within you.

Cycloptichorn

your post is fraught with CONFUSION

RONG, and your circular reasoning
is not bright; whether I need a defensive weapon
has NOTHING to do with my emotions. It has to do with whether
depredations are initiated upon my person or property (as has already happened).

When u say:
"If you have no fear, then you don't need a weapon"
that implies (foolishly) that a fearless condition
keeps away violent criminals; that 's nonsense; prove it. GO AHEAD; prove it.

If I do not fear getting a flat tire, will I then be immune from flats ??

If a man has no fear of heart attack, will he be immune therefrom?
If a man has no fear of unemployment, does he then have perfect job security??

Quote:

Hate is not wasteful and futile?

I made the point that it IS wasteful.

Creating a false man, does not result in your getting the finger.
If u make a false man, there is no need to hate nor to fear your creation, DESPITE what F'ART claims.

Fish was particularly offensive, equating a guy with help blowing up a building and killing scores with one guy stabbing another with a knife. Both in degree of wrong and degree of unusualness these two events are not similar.

Fish's argument is unpersuasive because those who object to a planned major public space are not going to feel any responsibility or any guilt about a guy stabbing a cap driver. Nor should they. One act is exercising a constitutional right,it is a demonstration of why America was created. The other is common crime.

RONG, and your circular reasoning
is not bright; whether I need a defensive weapon
has NOTHING to do with my emotions. It has to do with whether
depredations are initiated upon my person or property (as has already happened).

But you don't care if they do said depredations, right?
You have no fear at all of such a condition. Right?

This is a roundabout way of saying that you're full of ****, David.
You do have fear, and it's evident in your choice of hobby - and your choice of bigotry.

When u say:
"If you have no fear, then you don't need a weapon"
that implies (foolishly) that a fearless condition
keeps away violent criminals; that 's nonsense; prove it. GO AHEAD; prove it.

It doesn't imply that at all. You are making a logical error here.

If I do not fear getting a flat tire, will I then be immune from flats ??

If a man has no fear of heart attack, will he be immune therefrom?
If a man has no fear of unemployment, does he then have perfect job security??

No, but you won't care if you have a heart attack.
You won't care if you lose your job, because you do not fear those outcomes.

9/11 victims' families group opposes anniversary mosque rallies

The rally set for the ninth anniversary of Sept. 11 against the Ground Zero-area mosque, which is being organized by conservative blogger Pamela Geller, is drawing opposition from a key 9/11 victims' families group that is asking that the event's date be moved and, if it isn't, that participants back out.

The word from "Where to Turn," a group that was launched by Staten Islander Dennis McKeon - who is not a victims' relative himself but who started a clearinghouse of information related to the attacks and to Ground Zero with Staten Island families - came in an email to their list just now, which is in full after the jump.

The email says that "such activities ...disrespect the memories of our loved ones on this sacred day at this sacred site."

The email notes there's an anti-mosque rally planned and also says there are reports of a pro-mosque rally being put in place - and Where to Turn is opposing both. (This is the first I'd heard of a pro-mosque event for that day).

McKeon and his group have often been at odds with Mayor Bloomberg - a major pro-mosque supporter - and other officials about issues related to the attack.

The rally being put together by Geller - who was highly critical of one 9 days ago that was arranged by 9/11 victims' relative Debra Burlingame, firefighter Tim Brown and others - will feature among its speakers Geert Wilders, a controversial Dutch politician known for what he's called his "hate" of Islam.

Others, including former UN ambassador John Bolton and commentator Andrew Breitbart, have given their blessing to the rally by recording videos to be presented at the event.

To All,

As most of you probably know there is a proposed protest rally against the mosque being planned for 9/11.

There are also reports that there is a pro mosque rally in the works for 9/11 as well.

Over the past 9 years we have had many issues with the way the site as well as the victim’s families have been treated.

Through it all we have always maintained the position that 9/11 was a day to respectfully remember and honor those who died.

We have always stood against any rallies scheduled for September 11th and we will do so again with these events.

We will be joining other 9/11 organizations in asking that the organizers change the date for these events.

If they refuse to change the date we will also ask those scheduled to appear to withdraw from the events.

Over the past 9 years more and more of what’s been going on at Ground Zero has excluded the families.

Just two years ago we had to threaten to hold our old ceremony to gain access to the pit.

This year we have been informed that 9/11 family members are being denied the right to read their loved ones names as the slots have been made available to people who have worked on the renovation of the site.

While it is appropriate to get others involved 9/11 families should never be denied this right.

All of these issues have and hopefully will be addressed going forward but we would never suggest that a rally be held to voice these concerns on 9/11.

Hopefully the organizers will reconsider and participants will back out if they don’t.

We will never support such activities that disrespect the memories of our loved ones on this sacred day at this sacred site.

We hope you will support our position.

Sad but true; many Muslims are all citizens of this country by immigration or birth. They have served in our military, have attended our schools, and work in the many commercial enterprises and in government. They are Americans by every definition of the word.

We now have a group of conservatives who wish to limit their Constitutional Rights, and it's essentially based on ignorance and hate.

I wish these hateful so-called Americans will move to another country; they are destroying what America is all about.

Man Already Knows Everything He Needs To Know About Muslims
AUGUST 30, 2010 | ISSUE 46•35
Source


Gentries made a conscious decision to stop learning anything new about the Muslim faith on May 22, 2005.


SALINA, KS—Local man Scott Gentries told reporters Wednesday that his deliberately limited grasp of Islamic history and culture was still more than sufficient to shape his views of the entire Muslim world.

Gentries, 48, said he had absolutely no interest in exposing himself to further knowledge of Islamic civilization or putting his sweeping opinions into a broader context of any kind, and confirmed he was "perfectly happy" to make a handful of emotionally charged words the basis of his mistrust toward all members of the world's second-largest religion.

"I learned all that really matters about the Muslim faith on 9/11," Gentries said in reference to the terrorist attacks on the United States undertaken by 19 of Islam's approximately 1.6 billion practitioners. "What more do I need to know to stigmatize Muslims everywhere as inherently violent radicals?"

"And now they want to build a mosque at Ground Zero," continued Gentries, eliminating any distinction between the 9/11 hijackers and Muslims in general. "No, I won't examine the accuracy of that statement, but yes, I will allow myself to be outraged by it and use it as evidence of these people's universal callousness toward Americans who lost loved ones when the Twin Towers fell."

"Even though I am not one of those people," he added.

When told that the proposed "Ground Zero mosque" is actually a community center two blocks north of the site that would include, in addition to a public prayer space, a 500-seat auditorium, a restaurant, and athletic facilities, Gentries shook his head and said, "I know all I'm going to let myself know."

Gentries explained that it "didn't take long" to find out as much about the tenets of Islam as he needed to. He said he knew Muslims stoned their women for committing adultery, trained for terrorist attacks at fundamentalist madrassas, and believed in jihad, which Gentries described as the thing they used to justify killing infidels.

"All Muslims are at war with America, and I will resist any attempt to challenge that assertion with potentially illuminating facts," said Gentries, who threatened to leave the room if presented with the number of Muslims who live peacefully in the United States, serve in the country's armed forces, or were victims themselves of the 9/11 attacks. "Period."

"If you don't believe me, wait until they put your wife in a burka," Gentries continued in reference to the face-and-body-covering worn by a small minority of Muslim women and banned in the universities of Turkey, Tunisia, and Syria. "Or worse, a rape camp. That's right: For reasons I am content being totally unable to articulate, I am choosing to associate Muslims with rape camps."

Over the past decade, Gentries said he has taken pains to avoid personal interactions or media that might have the potential to compromise his point of view. He told reporters that the closest he had come to confronting a contrary standpoint was tuning in to the first few seconds of an interview with a moderate Muslim cleric before hastily turning off the television.

"I almost gave in and listened to that guy defend Islam with words I didn't want to hear," Gentries said. "But then I remembered how much easier it is to live in a world of black-and-white in which I can assign the label of 'other' to someone and use him as a vessel for all my fears and insecurities."

Added Gentries, "That really put things back into perspective."

I do not "FEAR" getting a flat tire; I 'd certainly care if it happened.

We now have a group of conservatives who wish to limit their Constitutional Rights, and it's essentially based on ignorance and hate

"There is a proposal to build a mosque and Islamic cultural center a few blocks from the site of the World Trade Center in New York City where the September 11th terrorist attacks occurred. Do you think it is appropriate or not appropriate to build a mosque and Islamic center near the site of the World Trade Center?"


Appropriate / Not appropriate / Unsure
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ALL
22 ................... 71 .......................7



Republicans
10 ........................88 .........................2



Democrats
32 .........................57 ..............................11



Independents
22...................... 70.................................8

It's sad to see that only 22% of Americans understand the US Constitution.

Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868. Note History

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Majority thinking doesn't equate to being right. Read the US Constitution, and learn a little about bigotry and discrimination against any group of Americans.

There's nothing wrong with my thinking. It's sad to see that only 22% of Americans understand the US Constitution.