Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

Referring to someone as a 'Jap' is like calling them a Kike or a Nigger. It is a slur used to incite anger in folks of Japanese descent.

Do you even realize that you are being offensive? Or are you just clueless?

Cycloptichorn

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Um, they don't run the majority of 'Islam.' This is an evidence-free statement

Wahhabism is on the march, and has become enormously powerful. If we had any good sense we would demand that this be put down by Islam before we made any grand gestures of tolerance towards Islam. As of this moment Islams failure to so the right thing should disqualify them from erecting this planned sham ode to tolerance near Ground Zero. It is not the West's tolerance if Islam that is in Question, in light of the spread of Wahhabism it is Islams tolerance of the West that in doubt.

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There have always been two reactions in the Muslim world to an awareness of things going wrong. One is, we are falling behind the modern world; the answer therefore is to modernize, to catch up with the modern world. The other is, as we see now, what has gone wrong is that we have tried to ape the modern, i.e., infidel world and the right answer is to return to the true and authentic traditions of Islam. That was the Wahhabi line, and Wahhabism is a peculiarly violent and fanatical version of this.

This would have remained an extremist fringe in a marginal country except for the unfortunate combination of two circumstances. One was the creation of a Saudi kingdom in the mid-'20s. The House of Saud were the local tribal sheikhs of the area where the Wahhabis flourished and followed the Wahhabi faith. By creating the kingdom, controlling the holy cities of Mecca and Medina, and also therefore the pilgrimage, it gave them enormous power and influence in the Islamic world. And the other, of course, was oil and money, which gave them resources beyond the dreams of avarice.

So what you are getting now in the Muslim world, all over the Muslim world, and more particularly among the Muslim communities in non-Muslim countries is the spread of the Wahhabi version of Islam, which, as I said, is about as typical of what you might call mainstream Islam as the KKK of mainstream Christianity. Wahhabism is the major trend of that sort. There are others, the so-called Salafia. It's run along parallel lines to the Wahhabis, but they are less violent and less extreme - still violent and extreme but less so than the Wahhabis. And now, of course, also the Iranian Revolution.

http://pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Islam-and-the-West-A-Conversation-with-Bernard-Lewis.aspx

Speaker:
Professor Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Studies, Princeton University

Referring to someone as a 'Jap' is like calling them a Kike or a Nigger. It is a slur used to incite anger in folks of Japanese descent.

Do you even realize that you are being offensive? Or are you just clueless?

Cycloptichorn

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OSD, You are a little man who is one of the most ignorant on a2k. AJAs fought in the Pacific in American intelligence that ended up saving many American lives and credited with winning the war against Japan. In Europe, the AJAs 442/100th battalion was the most decorated unit of any war that America was involved in.

I had two great uncles in the 442nd. The family is quite proud of this.

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Ah, you seem to admit that having a family, that represents one's own biological family, has a value, as opposed to the belief, in the thread about gay marriage, that such concerns were not really important. Gotcha!

He has been told repeatedly by myself and RG. He has no excuse to play dumb.

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Foofie wrote:

failures art wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

OSD, You are a little man who is one of the most ignorant on a2k. AJAs fought in the Pacific in American intelligence that ended up saving many American lives and credited with winning the war against Japan. In Europe, the AJAs 442/100th battalion was the most decorated unit of any war that America was involved in.

I had two great uncles in the 442nd. The family is quite proud of this.

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Ah, you seem to admit that having a family, that represents one's own biological family, has a value, as opposed to the belief, in the thread about gay marriage, that such concerns were not really important. Gotcha!

Swing and a miss, Foofie. My family includes my gay cousin. I'm proud of the things he's done with his life so far as well.

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Foofie believes this is a game of "gotcha." Too ignorant to understand the negative impact people like her has on American society.

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It is amazing the chaos that one poster can create

Just so long as you are clear that there is no indication that David intended to cause chaos, the chaos was generated by a gang taking moral offense to his point of view. His statement on Hiroshima was no more outlandish than other things that he has said, like for instance if I remember correctly a few months back he said that it was morally correct to kill someone and take what they have if you think you need that something.

I am not sure why this current strange thing is taken so much differently then that was, which was to basically to brush it off. Maybe it has nothing to do with David, that the moral crusaders were itching for a victim and David happened to make himself a nice target before I or someone else did.

If you are unable to distinguish the difference, you are part of the problem....not the solution.

He has been told repeatedly by myself and RG. He has no excuse to play dumb.

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I think was can assume that a Mensa member using these terms does so on purpose, probably for the same reason I do, namely that we refuse to allow other people to control our speech, and because you people who are hypersensitive about terms to the point that you allow attempts to police speech to interfere with communication need to chill out and learn to prioritize.

Nobody is policing speech hawk. I couldn't take away his right to say any offensive word. I don't care to do this either.
The difference here is that David pretends that these terms aren't offensive.

He should grow a pair of balls.

I bear no ill will to the Japs, as a group, tho I did not think much of what thay did in the rape of Nanking in 1937, and I was rather annoyed at their sneak attack at Pearl Harbor