Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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I am not sure that he realizes just how evil we are! The sad truth is I did not know myself untill I started researching for myself instead of listening to others and it is no easy job!

We sure are evil and I would bet that the Kurds who are alive now and living in some manner of safety would agree with you NOT

How many of your fellow Americans fell needlessly because of that illegal war, Bill? What about them and their families? What about the Iraqi people that were killed, mamed and left without homes or family?

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@Intrepid,

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What about the Iraqi people that were killed, mamed and left without homes or family?

And what about the majority of the Iraq people that belonged to the wrong Muslim sect and now have some say in their own government and are no longer living under a police state?

What about the few millions Kurds who no longer need to worry about gunships attacks on their communities or the next time poison gas might be used against them?

No we only must worry about a small fraction of the Iraq people who was the supporters of Saddam it would seem.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

...We in fact save far more lives by our actions then our actions cost by a few orders of magnitudes and therefore your crying about innocent Iraqs kill is a joke on it face when you do not care about far larger numbers then being kill and others who would had been kill but for our actions.

You stated it so succinctly, it is a wonder not everyone can understand the simplicity? Or, as they said in the westerns in its early days of tv, we are the good guys. The bad guys are obviously bad, since so many people were afraid of them.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

The reason you can't see it is because the Iraqis who lost loved ones without them doing anything wrong see Americans as hoodlums.

That logic goes for Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

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@BillRM,

Are you denying the fact that Saddam was our instrument and we were somewhat the conductor of the symphony? So how many kurds are you willing to be responsible for or do you feel better if only Saddam is to blame?

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@Foofie,

Bad guys or good guys the facts are that Saddam ran a police state that kill far more citizens of Iraq then we did in removing him along with a few hundreds thousands of the citizens of the countries that border Iraq.

The world is a far better place with him out of power of a regional super power and far more people are likely to have a far better future because of our actions.

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@reasoning logic,

Sorry we did not place him into power and he was far from our instrument.

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@Intrepid,

Intrepid wrote:

BillRM wrote:

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I am not sure that he realizes just how evil we are! The sad truth is I did not know myself untill I started researching for myself instead of listening to others and it is no easy job!

We sure are evil and I would bet that the Kurds who are alive now and living in some manner of safety would agree with you NOT

How many of your fellow Americans fell needlessly because of that illegal war, Bill? What about them and their families? What about the Iraqi people that were killed, mamed and left without homes or family?

"Maimed" is spelled incorrectly.

Your point though is understood. However, no wrongs can ever be righted, if one is always concerned about the collateral damage. Modern wars are not fought on huge battlefields like in the Roman/Persian/Greek times. Everyone gets to suffer it seems.

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@BillRM,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_-_United_States_relations

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Bad guys or good guys the facts are that Saddam ran a police state that kill far more citizens of Iraq then we did in removing him along with a few hundreds thousands of the citizens of the countries that border Iraq.

The world is a far better place with him out of power of a regional super power and far more people are likely to have a far better future because of our actions.

Not to mention that the world could have spiraled out of control, if he lobbed some more missiles at Israel for no reason, as he did when he got kicked out of Kuwait, and Israel got tired of "turning the other cheek," so to speak.

Let us not forget that Israel is not a welcome guest in that part of the world, and they can likely wage war on a level that we have not seen for over half of a century.

In my own opinion, if Israel gets into another real war with an Arab country, Israel can really humiliate the Arabs by having them lose to female troops. Who knows what that could do to the Arab male ego? There could be massive necrosis of Arab testicles from the humiliation alone? In effect, we may have spared the Arabs from extinction, by getting rid of the old Iraqi regime.

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@Foofie,

Are you catholic?

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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What about the Iraqi people that were killed, mamed and left without homes or family?

And what about the majority of the Iraq people that belonged to the wrong Muslim sect and now have some say in their own government and are no longer living under a police state?

What about the few millions Kurds who no longer need to worry about gunships attacks on their communities or the next time poison gas might be used against them?

No we only must worry about a small fraction of the Iraq people who was the supporters of Saddam it would seem.

You didn't respond to my question about your countrymen. I assume that Americans are your countrymen. It is hard to tell.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Bad guys or good guys the facts are that Saddam ran a police state that kill far more citizens of Iraq then we did in removing him along with a few hundreds thousands of the citizens of the countries that border Iraq.

The world is a far better place with him out of power of a regional super power and far more people are likely to have a far better future because of our actions.

You can't even keep consistent in your reasons and remarks. First you say it is the oil, now you speak of the Kurds. Make up your mind, if you can.

The world is a far better place without GW Bush in power. I wonder who else would have been invaded if he was still there.

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

BillRM wrote:

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I am not sure that he realizes just how evil we are! The sad truth is I did not know myself untill I started researching for myself instead of listening to others and it is no easy job!

We sure are evil and I would bet that the Kurds who are alive now and living in some manner of safety would agree with you NOT

How many of your fellow Americans fell needlessly because of that illegal war, Bill? What about them and their families? What about the Iraqi people that were killed, mamed and left without homes or family?

"Maimed" is spelled incorrectly.

Your point though is understood. However, no wrongs can ever be righted, if one is always concerned about the collateral damage. Modern wars are not fought on huge battlefields like in the Roman/Persian/Greek times. Everyone gets to suffer it seems.

I am glad that you had the wherewithall to understand what I wrote, even with the spelling error. Nice of you to point it out. I am sure that it gave you great pleasure.

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@Intrepid,

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You can't even keep consistent in your reasons and remarks. First you say it is the oil, now you speak of the Kurds. Make up your mind, if you can

No reason why it can not be both my friend.

Clinton for example was willing to used US military power to end genocide
where there was no oil at stake.

Third, whatever the reason or reasons or combination of reasons why we acted the benefits for the people of that region is still the same and clearly out weight any harm by a few orders of magnitude.

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@BillRM,

What does "was willing" mean? Did he or didn't he? Speculation of what one might have done while president has no value in today's world.

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@cicerone imposter,

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What does "was willing" mean? Did he or didn't he? Speculation of what one might have done while president has no value in today's world.

So you have no clue concerning even recent history?

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@BillRM,

I have clues, but Bill Clinton was our president for eight years. What do you mean, exactly, with "was willing?"

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@cicerone imposter,

So you do not have a clue once more that Clinton used US military forces to end a then ongoing genocide?

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You know we should overlook the little issues like the large hole in the ground near where this mosque will be located or such minor statements as below as the Muslim faith is the same as the other major religions.

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Radical Yemeni cleric calls for killing Americans
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Nov. 8, 2010, 6:12AM

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CAIRO — A U.S.-born radical Yemeni cleric has called for the killing of Americans in a new video message posted on radical web sites.

Anwar al-Awlaki says Americans are from the "party of devils" and so don't require any special religious permission to kill.

In the 23 minute Arabic language message appearing on extremist websites Monday, al-Awlaki said it was "either them or us."

Al-Awlaki is believed to be hiding somewhere in Yemen and has been linked with several attacks on Americans in the past year, including an attempt to bomb an airliner in Detroit on Christmas.

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