Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

@hawkeye10,

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justified a huge project two blocks from ground zero in their honor.

good thing there's no huge project under discussion here

@firefly,

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Increased understanding helps to diminish unwarranted fears and suspicions. It helps to build bridges

Not offending the majority of a nation's population would be a better approach if building bridges was what was actually wanted....

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@ehBeth,

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good thing there's no huge project under discussion here

we have a 13 story new building, but no plans yet so who knows how big it will turn out to be. They also control three other buildings next to it which presumably will connect to make one massive space. This is going to be huge, if they can fund it. When they finally get the plan done so that we can talk about Square footage there will be no ability to deny how big. I am told that this complex will come within 600 feet of the ground zero site, which is pretty damn close.

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@hawkeye10,

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Not offending the majority of a nation's population would be a better approach if building bridges was what was actually wanted....

Hear that all you Blacks. Quick, back into slavery or Africa, your choice! Homosexuals and lesbians, back in the closet! Why'd they ever let all of them Japs out of the relocation camps?

Ahhhh me, we once had such a perfect society.

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They bought the buildings on either side? They must have seen my suggestion back on page 3 lol.

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@Irishk,

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They bought the buildings on either side? They must have seen my suggestion back on page 3 lol

Not bought, but locked up by contract.

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@hawkeye10,

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I am told that this complex will come within 600 feet of the ground zero site, which is pretty damn close.

Nope, close is 500 feet or less. Additionally, all followers of Islam will have to get a permit to approach closet than that. I mean, fair is fair. You never know if one of those people has a Boeing 767 under their get up.

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@hawkeye10,

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Park51 Imam in Hiding
Tuesday, September 21, 2010
By Arun Venugopal

Yesterday, during a press conference held by Muslim leaders, voicing support for Park51, one of the organizers, Zaheer Uddin, noted that Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf hadn't attended their one-day summit on the project. Security concerns, according to Uddin, had kept Rauf away. According to CNN, he's now avoiding New York City and is getting protection from the NYPD.

"There's just a lot of crazies and that's why he has police protection from the NYPD," the Rev. James Parks Morton said Monday of his friend Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.

"I know that he's being guarded, that he's not been staying in the usual places, that he's not working from his office and that he's concerned for his safety," said another friend of the imam's, Rabbi J. Rolando Matalon, in an interview Sunday night.

"He's staying in an undisclosed location, as they call it," said Matalon, a rabbi at B'nai Jeshurun on New York's Upper West Side.

The New York City Police Department did not respond to requests for comment.

Rauf has made just a few media appearances since returning from an overseas trip earlier this month. His last public event was at the Council on Foreign Relations, on the 13th.

http://www.google.com/search?q=sq/ft+park51&hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBF_enUS244US244&ei=DkKZTKWgM4maOMm_jPUM&start=30&sa=N

this is a tough call here....is he 1) paranoid or 2) selling alleged "islamophobia"??

This reminds me a lot of all the claims that Obama's life was at risk because he is black....that was BS then and this idea that American hate Islam or Muslims is BS too. We dont like this project, and the dont like these assholes who are trying to build this project, but there is no broad based hate of either Islam nor Muslims. We can however get there if Muslims contine to support this project even though they have been told loudly that it is offensive. I would have hoped that American Muslims would have had more sense. Eurpoean muslims are willing to shut down major streets during Prayer just because they can, because they are assholes, up till now we had thought that America Muslims were not like that. After all, we treat them much better than the Europeans do, one whould have thought that this would count for something. Maybe not.

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@hawkeye10,

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This reminds me a lot of all the claims that Obama's life was at risk because he is black....that was BS then and this idea that American hate Islam or Muslims is BS too. We dont like this project, and the dont like these assholes who are trying to build this project, but there is no broad based hate of either Islam nor Muslims.

You don't think that the Secret Service has real concerns about the number of threats made against Obama? They had to begin protecting him when he announced his candidacy because of the increased risk that someone would try to hurt him. Why do you dismiss this as BS? You don't think we have plenty of fanatical racists who can't tolerate the idea of an African American President? Then there are the nut jobs who think he isn't really a citizen and that his actions are treasonous.

And there is broad based hatred of Muslims too. Pamela Geller & Robert Spencer & their group, Stop Islamization Of America, the ones who manufactured this mosque controversy, really do hate Muslims (and Obama as well)--check out their Web site. I don't doubt that some of their followers are quite capable of violence or of making violent threats. A lot of people haven't been thinking very rationally about this issue. If anyone is paranoid it's these people--and paranoids can be quite dangerous.

I can believe that Rauf's life has been threatened and that he needs NYPD protection. They have even had to put police protection outside the Park Place Burlington Coat Factory building.

The best thing Rauf can do is stay out of sight until after election day. The mosque controversy will be a non issue after that because the politicians will no longer care about it. Visible and vocal support for the project has continued to grow, and the "big" protest rally on 9/11 really fizzled out. There were more supporters than protestors at the dueling rallies. The media has cooled the coverage. Public opinion will shift in favor of the mosque being built in the next few months.

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@firefly,

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I can believe that Rauf's life has been threatened and that he needs NYPD protection. They have even had to put police protection outside the Park Place building.

I sure you can, as you are solidly in the camp of the paranoid left, We see this clearly in your views on rape.

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@firefly,

Surely, you are just paranoid - as hawk would say. All lefties are paranoid? LOL

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@cicerone imposter,

I wasn't aware I was a leftie. Laughing

Does Hawkeye think there are people who are pro-rape? Rolling Eyes

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@firefly,

According to hawk:

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I sure you can, as you are solidly in the camp of the paranoid left,

End of argument.

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Hitchens is right on the money AGAIN.

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A huge number of liberals have already decided that in some way Muslims constitute a race of their own, or at any rate that criticism of their religion can be construed as "racist." (The fact that the Quran contains many racist observations about Jews will mean that this card can and will be used to turn an almost infinite number of tricks. Still, I predict that liberals will regret handing Muslims such a handy alibi for any criticism of their faith.)

http://www.slate.com/id/2267975/

And the amazing thing is that liberals are shocked when most of American does not buy their two bit nonsense, and insist upon judging Muslims by their behaviour, are indignant when being a Muslim is not regarded as a "be an asshole when ever you want with no consequences " permit.

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Did you see President Carter on The Daily Show?
He was very good, especially the bit about how Faux News attitudes are spoiling the nation.

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@hawkeye10,

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when being a Muslim is not regarded as a "be an asshole when ever you want with no consequences " permit.

That's a fundamental right guaranteed all Americans in the constitooshun. You exercise that right constantly and unremittingly.

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@hawkeye10,

Hitchens apparently thinks all bigotry is race based. But there are other kinds of bigotry, such as religious bigotry.

Hatred of Muslims is religious bigotry, and "liberals" are not the ones confused, here.

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@DrewDad,

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Hitchens apparently thinks all bigotry is race based. But there are other kinds of bigotry, such as religious bigotry.

Hatred of Muslims is religious bigotry, and "liberals" are not the ones confused, here.

Refulsal to kiss the foot of the King of England ( "bi Gott" ) is foot bigotry.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

You are one dumb ****.

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I'm so torn between the Rally 4 Sanity and the Keep the Fear Alive movement.

Lucky I'm so far away and it's moot.

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