Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

Side note maybe I am wrong and those hundreds of millions dollars of start up cost and the likely tens of millions dollars of yearly operating cost is not going to come from the source I think it is but they are gong to just pass the bucket around the US Muslins population and raise the funds.

After all, with the economic being in such great shape the US Muslims population is floating in cash as we all are and they do see this overriding need for a community center of such size by the 911 site so kids can play racket ball.

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@BillRM,

Bill, if you can't see any difference between fundamentalist extremists in the middle east & long-standing, law abiding Muslim citizens of the USA, then really, that's your problem. Not those unfortunate US Muslim citizens you're denigrating here. Have you even considered their rights & their sensitivities? They are US citizens, the same as you.

With all due respects, calm down! You're sounding a bit unhinged over this issue. You are so much saner & nicer when you post about your love of your cats. Smile

I won't be responding to any further comments of yours on this thread. I doubt I'll even bother reading them, either. I just think you should try to calm down.

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@Intrepid,

Have come to understand this Trep, and have done the ignore thing and won't be fueling it any more.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

So you see no problem with a religion center funded by people who not only hate us but beat and kill their own women and are from the same country where most of the 911 terrorists just happen to had held citizenship?

I see plenty of things wrong with Islam. None of them are relevant to whether this building should be built. None.

BillRM wrote:

Of course it is only a few hundred millions dollars ******* community center and that is all the people who hate us are looking at getting for a few hundreds millions dollars? A bunch of kids playing racquetball?

Yes, kids playing racquetball. That is actually it.

What, dare you say, could they get otherwise? Do you think that this is the first community center built by American Muslims? Why don't you look at the existing centers and see what threats exist? Do you know what you'll find? Kids playing racquetball.

How many times does it need to be mentioned to you that this center is a means of outreach to help bond the Muslim community with the non-Muslim community? This is one of the major reasons Rauf was open to bringing in non-Muslim programing (i.e. - interfaith services) into the project. He wants strong community and mutual coexistence. Your entire qualm with Islam is being unloaded on one of the very leaders in the Muslim community that is fighting against those very same things.

BillRM wrote:

It could not be a center for anything else but good clean fun for the community hell no!!!!!!!

Why will this be any different than any other community center?

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@hingehead,

Hingehead - I just want to say that olga didn't mean anything personal about the Bill becoming "unhinged." She has lots of hinged friends. Besides, you're one of the good ones.

And she never says "hinger," she always says "hinga" (with an 'a').

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@failures art,

Hingehead (aka hinge) is one of my favourite posters here.

I hope that cleared things up for you, Art. Wink

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@failures art,

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Do you think that this is the first community center built by American Muslims? Why don't you look at the existing centers and see what threats exist? Do you know what you'll find? Kids playing racquetball.

How many times does it need to be mentioned to you that this center is a means of outreach to help bond the Muslim community with the non-Muslim community? This is one of the major reasons Rauf was open to bringing in non-Muslim programing (i.e. - interfaith services) into the project. He wants strong community and mutual coexistence. Your entire qualm with Islam is being unloaded on one of the very leaders in the Muslim community that is fighting against those very same things.

Doing a great job so far of bonding the Muslim community with the non-Muslims communities so far is it not?

The only way of doing a better job is to blow up the new buildings on the 911 site only that would increased the love and trust that is now happening as a results of this Mosque and it location.

If the purpose had anything at all with healing the distrust between the communities the Mosque backers would had agree to move it location months ago.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Doing a great job so far of bonding the Muslim community with the non-Muslims communities so far is it not?

I'd say yes actually. Given this absurd political climate, and given the toxic nature of those actively trying to undermine this project, I'd say they are doing quite well. They are doing mush better at building unity than any of their critics. That point can't be said enough.

BillRM wrote:

The only way of doing a better job is to blow up the new buildings on the 911 site only that would increased the love and trust that is now happening as a results of this Mosque and it location.

Why would a bunch of islamaphobic people want to blow up the new buildings? Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about the people causing problems.

BillRM wrote:

If the purpose had anything at all with healing the distrust between the communities the Mosque backers would had agree to move it location months ago.

They are the community. They've been in the neighborhood (that does support them BTW) for 30 years. Why would they move away from that community? They don't need to move the project.

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@failures art,

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They are the community. They've been in the neighborhood (that does support them BTW) for 30 years. Why would they move away from that community? They don't need to move the project.

In any case unless the funding show up from abroad the chance of this happening is near zero.

If is does show up from the only likely source for such amounts it is not going tot do any great benefit for interfaith relationships either.

Kind of similar to setting up a day care center with a grant from NAMBLA . Laughing

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@BillRM,

So the fact that they want and have every legitimate right to build a mosque/community center and do not want to give into bullying from small minded people means that they don't want to forge better understanding between Muslims and non Muslims? Bull crap.

The whole thing reminds me of when blacks couldn't build or own homes in white neighborhoods. I bet if that debate was going on now some of you would say, "if only you would move back..no one would be upset..."

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@revelette,

Yep.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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They are the community. They've been in the neighborhood (that does support them BTW) for 30 years. Why would they move away from that community? They don't need to move the project.

In any case unless the funding show up from abroad the chance of this happening is near zero.

If is does show up from the only likely source for such amounts it is not going tot do any great benefit for interfaith relationships either.

You didn't answer my question: Why should they move away from their community?

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@revelette,

Absolutely!

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@revelette,

But black people never wanted to build the Community Center of Death (TM).

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@failures art,

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You didn't answer my question: Why should they move away from their community?

You mean you are claiming they all just happen to living right there and it would be a large large burden to travel a few minutes more and get off at some other subway station stop?

If I remember correctly from my visits to that city and that area,it is mainly commerce or all commerce so one would assume that they are going to be doing traveling in any case from others areas of the city.

One nice thing that I used to love about going into New York City was the wonderful subway system that could get you anywhere in almost no time at all.

As a teenager, I used to love taking the train into the city from the Jersey shore and spending the day wondering around the blocks name Radio Row.

All kind of electronic and electronic parts was available with coils, tubes, and capacitors in bins on the sideways in front of the stores.

Radio Row just happens to had been the location where they build the World trade center on.

In any case, your “community” is not likely living in a heavy commerce area of the city so that is a straw man argument.

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@failures art,

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You didn't answer my question: Why should they move away from their community?

Do you really expect anything approximating an intelligent answer from BillRM?

His view of Muslims, all Muslims, is appallingly bigoted. His demonstrated knowledge of Islam is nil. He is unable to separate religious factors from political factors, and repeatedly confuses political responses by Muslims with religious motivations. He makes no distinctions between American Muslims and Muslims residing in the Arab World, and attacks Muslims residing in the United States using examples of policy and legal actions undertaken by governments in the Middle East. His thinking is muddled and generally unrelated to the topic of the community center in NYC.

I can't believe you are encouraging him to spout even more bigoted crap.

He wanted to derail this thread and he has succeeded. Pages are now filled with his trash posts making it difficult to even find those comments by other posters which are actually addressing the topic in a thoughtful manner.

He is a bigot. He isn't interested in having a meaningful dialogue on this topic. He just wants attention.

Look at his last post. He obviously does not understand there are already mosques in that area of Manhattan that have such large crowds of worshipers that they overflow onto sidewalks during services. The area would benefit from having an additional mosque. There are obviously American Muslims in that area who might welcome the facilities of a community center.

Someone should tell BillRM that there had been a mosque in the WTC, and that Muslim services were even conducted in a stairwell of the WTC because workers could not always leave their jobs long enough to go to a neighborhood mosque. And, when the new towers go up, they will, again, probably include Muslim Americans as workers.

He's just ignorant.

failures art, are you sure his comments even warrant or deserve your attention?

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@firefly,

Wow --- I hope I'm wrong but, coming from someone who has written missives, this sounds a bit self-serving. As in, "I've said everything there is to say and he hasn't stopped spouting his BS so we should all just ignore him."

If we shut down everyone who enjoys the snowball fights on these threads even more than they enjoy the topic they're fighting about we wouldn't have very many posts.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

If I remember correctly from my visits to that city and that area, is mainly commerce or all commerce so one would assume that they are going to be doing traveling in any case from others areas of the city.

have you not read anything on this thread?

Commerce. work. people work in the area.

Many people who will be using the facility work in the area.

Some of them do live within walking distance - Manhattan's small enough that walking to a good community centre is doable for a lot of people.

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@ehBeth,

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have you not read anything on this thread?
Commerce. work. people work in the area.
Many people who will be using the facility work in the area.

So if it was move a mile or two away from this site it is likely that a larger percent of workers would need to used the subway?

Sorry it does not wash at all as anywhere in that broad area of the city can be reach by subway in a matter of minutes and it just as likely as many people would be in walking distance of the new location as the old beside.

If I remember correctly one of the alternate sites suggested is within that area but I will need to look it up.

We are not talking about moving this Mosque to New Jersey!!!!!!

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@BillRM,

There's no need to move it all.

It'll be fine mixed in with the strip joints as has been planned.

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