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Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

 
 
failures art
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 01:38 pm
@BillRM,
Bill - you don't need to be told that Mormons can't legally wed multiple spouses.

What is your point? That Mormons are more likely to violate US laws for a religious law than Muslims? That will be entertaining to read.

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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 01:49 pm
@firefly,
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But, in that instance, it was at least in response to the fact that we had been attacked by Japan at Pearl Harbor and we were at war with Japan.


Don't try to sugar coat it, FF. It was a racist response pure and simple.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 01:51 pm
@failures art,
Quote:
Bill - you don't need to be told that Mormons can't legally wed multiple spouses.

What is your point? That Mormons are more likely to violate US laws for a religious law than Muslims? That will be entertaining to read.


They are doing so and have been doing so for many generations in a fairly open manner so US laws are not being apply too them that is the point even those they live in the US.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 01:54 pm
@BillRM,
You're talking about a movie called "Pearl Harbor." Do you really believe all movies are factual? You're dumber than I originally thought.

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banner for this eXploration

Japanese-American Internment

You may wish to view our Digital Story about Japanese Internment During WWII by Sandra Rodriguez as an introduction to this section.

During World War II, the federal government ordered 120,000 Japanese-Americans who lived on the West coast to leave their homes and live in 10 large relocation camps (see Internment Map) in remote, desolate areas, surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards. Two-thirds were native-born American citizens.


Japanese-Americans were interned as a result of an executive order (see Executive Order No. 9066) by President Roosevelt in 1942. About 77,000 American citizens and 43,000 legal and illegal resident aliens were affected by the order. The last camp was closed in January 1946, five months after World War II ended.

It would not be until 1988 that the U.S. government formally apologized, provided compensation to those who were interned, and created an education fund to preserve the history and to teach the lessons of this shameful episode.

Two of the chief backers of a national apology had themselves been interned. Representative Robert Matsui of California was 6 months old when his family was interned.

His family had just 48 hours to relocate. His father was forced to sell their house in Sacramento for $50 and simply abandon his small produce business.
Learn more about Robert Matsui and the internment of his family at Tule Lake Camp. (see Recalling the U.S. Internment of the Japanese With Congressman Robert Matsui, John F. Kennedy Library and Foundation Responding To Terrorism Series, November 4, 2001)

U.S. Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta of California was ten years old; he and his family were forced to live, at first, in a converted stables at a racetrack; later, they spent a year in an internment camp in a forbidding part of Wyoming.

Mineta recalled being given the priviledge of signing the House bill, HR 442, after it had passed.
U.S. Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta

"There has never been a moment when I loved this country more," he said. Redress was "the best expression of what this nation can be and the power of government to heal and make right what was wrong."

Learn more: Japanese American National Museum

Another sponsor, Democrat Senator Daniel K. Inouye of Hawaii, who served in the 442nd regiment combat team, made up entirely of Japanese Americans. He lost his right arm fighting in Italy and was awarded a Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts.

Learn more about the 442d combat team in "21 Asian American World War II Vets to Get Medal of Honor"

He was first Congressman from Hawaii and the first American of Japanese descent to serve in either House of Congress.

Learn more about Senator Inouye's combat experience during World War II from his website, Go For Broke, a condensation of his book, Journey to Washington.

The warning radio suddenly emitted a frenzied cry: "This is no test! Pearl Harbor is being bombed by the Japanese! I repeat: This is not a test!"

"Papa," I cried, and then froze into stunned immobility. Almost at once my father was in the doorway with agony showing on his face, listening, caught by that special horror instantly sensed by all Americans of Japanese descent.

". . . not a test. We can see the Japanese planes . . ."

''Yes, the nation was then at war, struggling for its survival,'' said President Ronald Reagan at the White House. ''And it's not for us today to pass judgment upon those who may have made mistakes while engaged in that great struggle. Yet we must recognize that the internment of Japanese-Americans was just that, a mistake.'' More than a mistake, it was a grave violation of civil liberties and a blot on America’s commitment to constitutional rights.
The Civil Rights Act of 1988 (HR442) awarded redress to all surviving internees or their relatives. President George Bush sent this formal apology letter along with a $20,000 check.
The Civil Rights Act of 1988 (HR442) awarded redress
to all surviving internees or their relatives.
President George Bush sent this formal apology letter along with a $20,000 check.

Exploration Questions

* Why were Japanese Americans expelled from their homes and incarcerated in internment camps - even though not one Japanese American was charged with espionage or sabotage during the war - and why did internment last, on average, for nearly three years?
* Why were west coast Japanese American citizens relocated - while Japanese Americans in Hawaii and German-Americans and Italian-Americans were not?
* Why were all west coast Japanese Americans interned, citizens and aliens, children and adults, and why was this policy upheld by the federal courts?
* What was the impact of this experience upon the lives of Japanese Americans?

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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 01:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/12/17/attack/main321565.shtml

The last person convicted of treason was Tomoya Kawakita, a Japanese-American sentenced to death in 1952 for tormenting American prisoners of war during World War II. Even such a clear-cut case created qualms; President Eisenhower commuted Kawakita's sentence to life imprisonment.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment#Japan.27s_wartime_spy_program

Japan's wartime spy program
The presence of Imperial Japanese spying within the United States is attested to by the case of Velvalee Dickinson,[33] an American who sold intelligence to Japan, as well as the widely reported cases of the Tachibana spy ring and the Niihau Incident. The Tachibana spy ring involved a group of Japanese nationals,[34] whereas the so-called Niihau Incident occurred just after the Pearl Harbor attack, and involved two Japanese Americans on Niihau assisting a downed Japanese pilot there. Despite the latter incident taking place in Hawaii, the Territorial Governor rejected calls for mass internment of the Japanese Americans there. A secret U.S. government estimate said perhaps 3,500 ethnic Japanese in America were active supporters of the Japanese war effort. After the war, Japan said that 1,648 Japanese-American citizens had fought in Japan's Army. Other estimates set the number as high as 7,000. In 1944, when the United States gave American Japanese a chance to renounce their U.S. citizenship, some 5,620 did so, and 2,031 left for Japan.[35]

JTT
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 01:54 pm
@BillRM,
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They are doing so and have been doing so for many generations in a fairly open manner so US laws are not being apply too them that is the point even those they live in the US.


There is no law, no prohibition [save for the effects of dirty looks and whispering] against taking multiple wives, or husbands for that matter, as long as there is no legal marriage.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 02:01 pm
@BillRM,
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The last person convicted of treason was Tomoya Kawakita, a Japanese-American sentenced to death in 1952 for tormenting American prisoners of war during World War II. Even such a clear-cut case created qualms; President Eisenhower commuted Kawakita's sentence to life imprisonment.


Holy ****, tormenting American prisoners. Did he tell them their mothers wore army boots?

A death sentence, eh Bill? What do you figure ALL those involved in the torture of Iraqis, Afghans, from Bush on down, should get?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 02:03 pm
@JTT,
That's where people like BillRM doesn't understand how American soldiers have treated our so-called enemies. He's probably never learned anything about Vietnam or Iraq; too stupid.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 02:18 pm
@JTT,
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There is no law, no prohibition [save for the effects of dirty looks and whispering] against taking multiple wives, or husbands for that matter, as long as there is no legal marriage.


Sorry not true as men had been charge with this crime when only being legally married to one woman.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 02:26 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

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But, in that instance, it was at least in response to the fact that we had been attacked by Japan at Pearl Harbor and we were at war with Japan.


Don't try to sugar coat it, FF. It was a racist response pure and simple.


Or, it was a way to keep some people from other ethnic groups, that could be pro-Axis powers, from being vocal in that sentiment. Sort of like Hitler killing Jews and Gypsies cowed the rest of Nazi occupied Europe. Just my opinion, of course.

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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 02:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
BillRm's purpose has been to derail this thread and he is succeeding.

He's being ignored by everyone in the Rape thread so he's over here looking for attention. He doesn't care if he's insulted, as long as he gets attention.

WWII and the Japanese have nothing to do with building a community center/mosque in lower Manhattan.

There is no reason to question the religious beliefs or patriotism of all Muslim Americans. There is no reason under the sun to suspect that the backers of the NYC proposed mosque/center have radical religious views. They have lived in NY for decades and have expressed no extremist religious views and, in fact, such extremism would not be consistent with their particular sect of Islam. Imam Rauf has worked for the U.S. State Department under both Bush and Obama, and, in fact, he just returned from his government sponsored trip to the Middle East. The U.S. government considers him a moderate Muslim.
He has been the Imam of a mosque in lower Manhattan for several decades. There have been no problems with that mosque. Why would anyone have reason to feel there would suddenly be problems with his new project?
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 02:52 pm
@firefly,
Code:BillRm's purpose has been to derail this thread and he is succeeding.

He's being ignored by everyone in the Rape thread so he's over here looking for attention. He doesn't care if he's insulted, as long as he gets attention.


You are 100 percents correct Firefly I do not care one little bit if fools insults me when they are unable to deal with my logic.


Side note once more if you wish to not see my postings the ignore function is far better then the vote down function.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 02:55 pm
@firefly,
They love to go into tangents to confuse their followers. They use this tactic often, but more often than not, are just as unrelated as their primary claims. If they bothered to do their own research, they would find themselves contradicting their own beliefs.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 02:57 pm
@firefly,
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There is no reason under the sun to suspect that the backers of the NYC proposed mosque/center have radical religious views.
Unless you take into consideration that the claimed motive of the project is to promote tolerance but the actual result has been to stir up a hornets nest and they seem to want to keep stirring.

Unless you count that we don't know who is involved in this project so far, where the money has come from. The Imam has said that he will eventually name the major stakeholders, which may or may not happen, but why the delay? Why dont we know who has bought this property for them? Will we ever be told where this money eventually comes from? There is no legal requirement to do so I dont think as funds can be run through ASMA which is not required to report where there funding comes from nor do they have a history of disclosing. They currently on their website list some foundations who they claim support them, but there are no numbers, and they dont list any other funding sources
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 02:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
The only people creating a hornets nets are people like you who wish to impose your personal bigotry and ignorance on a whole group of innocent folks.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 03:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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The only people creating a hornets nets are people like you who wish to impose your personal bigotry and ignorance on a whole group of innocent folks
People feel the way they feel, who can know why? And it does not matter why, or if you approve or not.....this is America. The wants and desires of American citizens must be respected, we are not a kingdom nor does our Constitution support the Ruling Class imposing its will upon the people.

We do have freedom of speech so the ruling class is free to continue to belittle the rest of the nation, and to try to promote a scare that if we dont cave into the Muslims that we are going to hell and/or will be attacked by the Muslim hoards as they react in anger, but at the end of the day we the people decide our minds,
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failures art
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 03:18 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Bill - you don't need to be told that Mormons can't legally wed multiple spouses.

What is your point? That Mormons are more likely to violate US laws for a religious law than Muslims? That will be entertaining to read.


They are doing so and have been doing so for many generations in a fairly open manner so US laws are not being apply too them that is the point even those they live in the US.

I wasn't aware we lived under Mormon law!

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djjd62
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 03:19 pm
@failures art,
better get your magic underwear post haste
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 03:28 pm
@failures art,
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I wasn't aware we lived under Mormon law!


Huh? you are surly bright enough to understand the point that if a law is not enforce and people fairly openly break it when the law is moot.

If a law exist that you can not married 12/13 years olds or have more then one wife is not enforce for a few generations it is moot.
failures art
 
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Reply Sun 12 Sep, 2010 03:36 pm
@BillRM,
It's not enforced! This is even worse than I thought! Having all these wives probably means the state gives them huge tax breaks! Let's not forget contract law! Just think about inherentance!

Oh wait... That's total bollucks. They aren't recognized by the state.

You're wealthy in stupid opinions, but rather bankrupt on facts.

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