Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@hawkeye10,

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Firefly saying "the man needs to make sure he has consent" does not work because she has just made the man in charge, and responsible for knowing the mind of his woman, which is a violation of the dynamics of an equality based relationship.

The man is in charge of his own behavior--which includes knowing whether he has consent for what he is sexually doing to her.

She needs to know whether she has his consent to perform certain sexual acts on him.

Seems to me there is nothing unequal about that.

Judging by your posts, as well as those of BillRM and Ionus, some men, particularly those who like to demean women, seem to have much greater difficulty understanding this than women do.

Not a single woman posting in this thread has expressed any confusion understanding the meaning of "consent"--whether it's understanding her own consent, or understanding when she has the consent of the other person.

So, you and those other two men, are either dumber than bricks, or just domineering, controlling men who want to be able to disregard "consent" without being held responsible for doing it. You want to be able to rape and get away with doing it.

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@firefly,

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It's very clear that the only men who would protest such laws are those who feel "entitled" to non consensual sex, and deeply resent the fact that the female has the power to give or withhold her consent.

says the person who will neither define consent nor talk about the problems of using consent theory to legally regulate the sexual practices of the citizens...

After a few hundred pages of me trying to talk about how a free society should regulate erotic expression and all you can do is respond with slogans and rape feminist talking points you have a lot of nerve claiming that I am a rapist who wants to get around consent.

I understand though that those who have no case need to resort to character assassination, and that those who have the power but cant defend their use of it instead of trying to defend their agenda cry out "it is the law, obey or ELSE!" as you do.

I am sure hat this will come as a shock to you be we the people make the law, we have allowed the rape feminists to write sex law because up till now we have believed that the law needed to be more supportive of victims and who better to see that this is done well than the victims advocates. But as it becomes clear that sex law is being hijacked to make men second class citizens in front of the law it becomes clear that it is time for a change. As it becomes clear that the laws we have put in place are unfair and not good for us we will see that we need to reform some of the recent changes, as they are not suitable for governing free men/women.

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@BillRM,

Men are free to lodge sexual assault and rape charges against both females and other males. These laws protect both genders.

For those of us who live in the real world, it is evident that, most of the time, unwanted sex is forced on the female by the male, and not the other way around. That is why the current rape prevention campaigns target their messages to the man. He is the one far more likely to violate, or consider violating, the rape laws.

http://www.sexualassaultvoices.com/uploads/5/0/9/9/5099312/3507749_orig.jpg

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@firefly,

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Not a single woman posting in this thread has expressed any confusion understanding the meaning of "consent"--whether it's understanding her own consent, or understanding when she has the consent of the other person.

As long as consent is a one way street only women have no need to be concern over the possibility of being charge with rape over the issue.

When and if women begin to find themselves being charge with rape/sexual assaults in the same manner as men they will have the same so call "confusions" as men over the issue.

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@firefly,

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For those of us who live in the real world, it is evident that, most of the time, unwanted sex is forced on the female by the male, and not the other way around. That is why the current rape prevention campaigns target their messages to the man. He is the one far more likely to violate, or consider violating, the rape laws.

Bullshit just as the claims that most domestic violence was only an issue of male’s offenders.

That had been proven wrong by large-scale studies where the batter sex was found to be roughly equal, just that males are far less prone to complain then women over the subject.

In my own life, I had a male coworker who once woke up to find his drunken wife above to place a knife in him.

The same go for how we view male and female pedophiles and how we punish them.

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@firefly,

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Men are free to lodge sexual assault and rape charges against both females and other males. These laws protect both genders.

For those of us who live in the real world, it is evident that, most of the time, unwanted sex is forced on the female by the male, and not the other way around. That is why the current rape prevention campaigns target their messages to the man. He is the one far more likely to violate, or consider violating, the rape laws.

It is very ironic that a pedophelia act is seldom committed by a homosexual - hmmmmmm

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@firefly,

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The man is in charge of his own behavior--which includes knowing whether he has consent for what he is sexually doing to her.

with your infantile understanding of sex I am sure that makes perfect sense to you. Sex is not something that I do TO my woman, sex is something that I do WITH my woman...it is a collaboration, we are both responsible for what happens and yet neither one of us is full in control of what happens.

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@hawkeye10,

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says the person who will neither define consent nor talk about the problems of using consent theory to legally regulate the sexual practices of the citizens...

I have defined "consent"--I use the state definitions. Those are the only relevant definitions when discussing rape/sexual assault laws.

The only "sexual practices" being regulated are non consensual acts.

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you have a lot of nerve claiming that I am a rapist who wants to get around consent

Right, just because you go on and on about "confused consent" and "miscommunication" and "men knowing better than a woman what she really wants" and a need to rape being part of the "evolutionary makeup of men ", etc. --how on earth could I ever come to the conclusion that you want to get around consent? Rolling Eyes

As for claiming you are a rapist...you've admitted it.

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I have both raped and been raped, and so far as I recall I have tended to enjoy the experience immensely. I recommend the experience, no matter what the law says.
http://able2know.org/topic/162398-2#post-4378052

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@BillW,

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It is very ironic that a pedophelia act is seldom committed by a homosexual - hmmmmmm

You kidding right?

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@hawkeye10,

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Sex is not something that I do TO my woman, sex is something that I do WITH my woman...it is a collaboration, we are both responsible for what happens and yet neither one of us is full in control of what happens

Right, but we are discussing RAPE--which is not a collaboration--it's a violation.

Both people must be in control enough to stop if the other says, "No" or "Stop".

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@firefly,

As I had said as long as the issue of consent only get males lock up not females, you can get away with being as unfair or as unreasonable as you care to be.

There is however zero logical reason why females should not be charge with rape for having sex with a very drunken man then the other way around and only the thread of culture is now offering protection to women from this happening to them.

Just as most men will not call 911 and charge their wife or girlfriend with domestic assault.

Hell the time my first wife was hitting on me it never even enter my mind to call the police over the matter.

However if you are as successful in turning the sex act into a mine field for men as you wish it to be, male altitudes are likely to change also about reporting questionable sex acts by females just as it is now more likely for a man to report domestic assault then in the past.

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@firefly,

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Both people must be in control enough to stop if the other says, "No" or "Stop".

And where had anyone stated otherwise with the only complain being that seven seconds is a short time indeed to react to having consent cancel in the middle of sexual congress. A reaction time of ten seconds or so should not turn anyone into a rapist.

The disagreement is when consent is granted and then at some later time the claim put forward that the consent was not valid.

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@firefly,

Oh as a footnote Firefly your picture of the drunken woman on the couch you love to post time after time is sickening not sexual arousing.

The only good thing to be said about her is that she is not behind a wheel of a car as the woman who I assume you wished us to feel sorry for because she ended up having some manner of sexual act perform on her.

Frankly if the lady had run her car into a wall and kill herself I would not had feel sorry for her just happy that she did not end up killing anyone beside herself.

But then I can not stop viewing women as full adults who are responsible for their own behaviors not as children.

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@firefly,

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Both people must be in control enough to stop if the other says, "No" or "Stop".

Great! Then I can call on you to support my argument that the law should revert back to calling rape the continuation of sexual activity after the woman has said no, right? ....that is we will once again call consent the absence of voiced non consent? That would go most of the way towards fixing sex law, then all that would need to be done is to get the government out of the business of removing the individuals right to consent.

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@hawkeye10,

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calling rape the continuation of sexual activity after the woman has said no, right? ..

LOL.............

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@hawkeye10,

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that is we will once again call consent the absence of voiced non consent?

No, silence is not consent. A corpse can be silent. An unconscious person can be silent. Just because she's not saying, "No," doesn't mean she's saying, "Yes", that she's indicating freely willing, knowing, agreement.

You sure do want to get around the notion of consent.

Are you so wrapped up in yourself that you can't tell whether your partner enjoys what you are doing to, and with, her? Or perhaps you just don't care about that.

The laws will not be changed to make it easier for you to commit rape and get away with it. As is evident from the new laws in Scotland, that is not the direction they are going. You need consent to engage in sexual activity with another person. Just learn to live with that fact. Or stick to masturbation.

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@firefly,

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Are you so wrapped up in yourself that you can't tell whether your partner enjoys what you are doing to, and with, her? Or perhaps you just don't care about that.

So now it rape if the female is not totally enjoying your lovemaking skills!!! Razz

One wonder how far into orbit Firefly wish to change the law away from force or threat of force or drugging behind her back or having sex with a woman who is completely out of it?

If she does not enjoying it we should call it rape now that is a least in low earth orbit. Hell it is half way to the moon.

The interesting thing is that most of the public is not even aware of any departed from the old meaning of rape less alone the craziness that Firefly is pushing for.

A well publicly case or two under the Firefly version of rape should at last wake up the public.

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Even someone who appears to be a Good Samaritan can't always be trusted...

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Convicted rapist gets 60 years in prison
Friday, 03 Dec 2010
By: Deanna Dewberry

INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) - A man convicted of raping a woman after he stopped to help her change a tire was sentenced to 60 years behind bars Friday morning.

Imari Butler recieved a longer sentence because he's an habitual offender with a long rap sheet.

In April of 2009, the woman says she blew a tire when she hit a pothole on West 86th Street.

Officers say Butler stopped to help her and then asked for a ride home then he attacked her.

Friday on the stand, the 22-year-old woman looked her rapist in the eye and delivered a powerful message.
http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/crime/convicted-rapist-gets-60-years-in-prison

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An internet predator...who likely won't be stalking any more underage prey for a while.

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New York man charged with having sex with 12-year-old
John Pirro, Staff Writer
Thursday, December 2, 2010

BREWSTER, N.Y. -- State police have charged a 25-year-old Queens, N.Y., man with having sex with a 12-year-old Brewster girl who he reportedly met over the Internet.

Christopher J. Rodriguez faces two counts of first-degree rape, both felonies, and a misdemeanor charge of endangering the welfare of a child. Court documents in Brewster Village Court allege the crimes took place in Brewster on Nov. 25, and that Rodriguez was taken into custody on Sunday. Neither state police Investigator Ralph Markwerth, who made the arrest, or prosecutors in the office of the Putnam County District Attorney would provide any additional details about the charges.

"It's a sensitive case. We're not releasing any information about it," Markwerth said.

But a law enforcement source said that Rodriguez and the girl met on the Internet, and that he allegedly drove to Brewster to have sex with her.

Under New York law, a person convicted of first-degree rape can be sentenced to a term of five to 25 years in prison upon conviction. The charge applies when the victim is under the age of 13 and the defendant is 18 years of age or older, even if the sex was consensual.

The endangerment count carries a potential sentence of up to one year in prison upon conviction.

Rodriguez is being held on $100,000 bond at the Putnam Correctional Center and is due back in court on Dec. 13.
http://www.newstimes.com/policereports/article/New-York-man-charged-with-having-sex-with-854538.php

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@BillRM,

Bill, I am saddened to inform you that according to the Rape feminists that you should not be making love to your wife unless you are getting her off. I hope for your sake the she is not one of the 3 in ten women who can not do the O, because that will mean no sex for you after these radicals are done rewriting sex law!

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