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Drug rape or desperate drunk cheat?

 
 
Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 03:02 am
Hi,

I live in El Monte and have had a gf for almost a year. I was a jerk to her and left her in the weekend for no good reason. On Friday she went out with her friends drinking to get over me, and met a guy from high school. According to her, they had two tequila shots and after 2nd drink she doesn't remember much, not even taking the cab. She remembers being forced to hard sex, she felt raped and he was hiting her and calling names and choking her. He didn't use condom either. In the morning, she calls him, and he claims it was a consensual sex between adults. But she is sure it was a rape. She had blue marks on her body.
But the fact is they had sex in her place. So my question is, is it possible that she was drugged but could still remember her address? Why would he not use a condom and rape her in her own house?
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 06:28 am
@matt-kane,
What you are describing is pretty obviously a case of rape. She should contact the police right away.

Yes, she could be drugged and still remember her address.

BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 06:49 am
@maxdancona,
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What you are describing is pretty obviously a case of rape. She should contact the police right away.


It a case of he said she said and good luck in proving it a case or rape beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury.

But the story is good enough to explain to her boyfriend how she become pregnant by some other guy if she does happen to become pregnant.

Suggest he pull the plug on the relationhip at once unless he wish to run the risk in the future of raising some other man child or being charge with rape himself if he end up having sex with her after a night of drinking himself.
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jespah
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 06:57 am
@matt-kane,
She needs to call the cops and have them come out there with evidence and rape kits.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 07:03 am
@jespah,
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out there with evidence and rape kits.


As neither one of these drunks is claiming that sex did not happen what good would a rape kit do?
jespah
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 07:11 am
@BillRM,
It's how evidence is gathered.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 07:31 am
@jespah,
What evidence as there is according to the story no question that they had have sex.

The question only being was it consensual sex or not after she brought him home to her apartment.

A case of she said he said an unless the guy have some past criminal record my bet that under those conditions he will not face any charges.






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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 07:58 am
If I was her boyfriend my concern would be that some day he could be out drinking and partying with her and for one reason or another end up being charge himself with rape.

She is on the face of it a cheat that is willing to throw a man and his future under the bus to cover up her cheating.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 10:04 am
@matt-kane,
Has she contacted the police? has she been to the hospital? if not, encourage her to at least go to the hospital.

If you are not able to be supportive of her at this time, make sure she has other friends and family who can care for her.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 10:40 am
@ehBeth,
The outcome of her cheating and covering it up by crying rape could had been worst.

Quote:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2010940/posts


Woman Who Falsely Cried Rape Convicted of Manslaughter
FoxNews.com ^ | 5/3/08 | AP
Posted on 5/4/2008, 1:08:18 AM by Slings and Arrows

FORT WORTH, Texas — An Arlington woman who caused her lover's shooting death by falsely crying rape was found guilty Friday of involuntary manslaughter.

Tracy Denise Roberson, 37, cried slightly when the verdict was announced after jurors had deliberated for more than a day. The punishment phase was set for Monday, and she faces two to 20 years in prison.

In late 2006, Darrell Roberson came home from a late-night card game to find his scantily clad wife with another man in a pickup truck in the driveway. Tracy Roberson was with her lover but cried rape, and her husband fired four shots into the truck as Devin LaSalle was driving off, killing him.

Darrell Roberson initially was arrested, but the murder charge later was dropped and a grand jury indicted Tracy Roberson instead.

During her three-day trial, defense attorneys called no witnesses but blamed LaSalle's death on Darrell Roberson's jealousy and rage.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
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matt-kane
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 08:47 am
Thanks for your replies. I don't care a lot if she cheated. I just wanted to know is it possible she got drugged and still remember her address? She also must have remembered that I am not back till Sunday evening. Because definitely the guy didn't know that.

Anyone has experience with drug or alcohol blackout? I want to hear how they felt during that period. Is it the total loss of memory? Wouldn't the wictom body gets numb or she falls sleep during the attack?
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 10:54 am
@matt-kane,
Well I knew a bar owner once that gotten wasted and then went all over the town insulting everone who he ran into and then have no memory of having done so.

Still people should be responsible for their own actions if they willingly become intoxicated and the odds of your friend being given a date rape drug behind her back is tiny in my opinion.

It a wonderful excused for women however see the story below.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6440589/Date-rape-drink-spiking-an-urban-legend.html


y Stephen Adams6:10AM GMT 27 Oct 2009
A study of more than 200 students revealed many wrongly blamed the effects of a "bad night out" on date-rape drugs, when they had just drunk excessively.
Many are in "active denial" that drinking large amounts of alcohol can leave them "incoherent and incapacitated", the Kent University researchers concluded.
Young women's fears about date-rape drugs are so ingrained that students mistakenly think it is a more important factor in sexual assault than being drunk, taking drugs or walking alone at night.
The study, published in the British Journal of Criminology, found three-quarters of students identified drink spiking as an important risk – more than alcohol or drugs.
More than half said they knew someone whose drink had been spiked.
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But despite popular beliefs, police have found no evidence that rape victims are commonly drugged with such substances, the researchers said.
Dr Adam Burgess from the university's School of Social Policy, Sociology and Social Research, said: "Young women appear to be displacing their anxieties about the consequences of consuming what is in the bottle on to rumours of what could be put there by someone else.
"The reason why fear of drink-spiking has become widespread seems to be a mix of it being more convenient to guard against than the effects of alcohol itself and the fact that such stories are exotic – like a more adult version of 'stranger danger'."
Rituals to protect drinks from contamination, such as taking drinks to the lavatory in clubs and bars and buying only bottled drinks, have become commonplace, the academics noted.
Among young people, drink spiking stories have attractive features that could "help explain" their disproportionate loss of control after drinking alcohol, the study found.
Dr Burgess said: "Our findings suggest guarding against drink spiking has also become a way for women to negotiate how to watch out for each other in an environment where they might well lose control from alcohol consumption."
Co-researcher Dr Sarah Moore said: "We would be very interested in finding out whether the urban myth of spiking is also the result of parents feeling unable to discuss with their adult daughters how to manage drinking and sex and representing their anxieties about this through discussion of drink spiking risks."
Nick Ross, chair of the Jill Dando Institute of Crime Science, commented: "There is no evidence of widespread use of hypnotics in sexual assault, let alone Rohypnol, despite many attempts to prove the contrary.
"During thousands of blood and alcohol tests lots of judgement-impairing compounds were discovered, but they were mostly street drugs or prescription pharmaceuticals taken by the victims themselves, and above all alcohol was the common theme.
"As Dr Burgess observes, it is not scientific evidence which keeps the drug rape myth alive but the fact that it serves so many useful functions."
Dr Burgess and his team questioned more than 200 students at universities in London and south east England.
Earlier this year, Australian researchers found that nont one of 97 young men and women admitted to hospital over 19 months to two Perth hospital claiming to have had their drinks spiked, had in fact been drugged.

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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 12:04 pm
@matt-kane,
Has she been to a hospital yet? she should really have gone asap as they can test for drugs and provide appropriate meds . It happened a few years ago to a friend of mine (who was in her early 60's) while out for dinner with her husband. She said she thought she'd had a stroke.

The police (the hospital informed them when the drug was detected in her bloodstream) thought it was part of a theft attempt.

There are many types of date rape drugs with many different effects.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 12:10 pm
@ehBeth,
An all large scale studies had not found so call date rape drugs being used commonly without the knowledge and permissions of the users.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 12:29 pm
@ehBeth,
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-436592/Drug-rape-myth-exposed-study-reveals-binge-drinking-blame.html


Drug rape myth exposed as study reveals binge drinking is to blame
by JENNY HOPE

Last updated at 21:18 16 February 2007


Women who claim to be victims of 'date-rape' drugs such as Rohypnol have in fact been rendered helpless by binge-drinking, says a study by doctors.
They found no evidence that any woman seeking help from emergency doctors because their drinks were allegedly spiked had actually been given these drugs.

Around one in five tested positive for recreational drugs while two-thirds had been drinking heavily.

The findings further erode the theory that there is widespread use of Rohypnol and GHB, another drug said to be favoured by predatory rapists.

Last month a personal safety campaigner claimed that Rohypnol had never been used to assist a sexual assault in the UK. Doctors carrying out the latest study at the Wrexham Maelor Hospital said it was far more likely women were claiming their drinks had been spiked as an "excuse" for binge-drinking.

The 12-month study was based on 75 patients - mostly women - treated in casualty who told doctors their drinks had been tampered with in pubs or clubs.

But tests for drugs such as Rohypnol, GHB and ketamine found nothing, says the study published in the Emergency Medicine Journal.

It showed 65 per cent of women had 160mg of alcohol in their blood - twice the 80mg drink/drive limit - and a quarter were three times over the limit. Although all the patients denied taking drugs such as cocaine and amphetamine, one fifth tested positive.

Researcher Dr Hywel Hughes, an associate specialist in A&E said: "This study confirmed our suspicion that most of the patients with suspected drink-spiking would test negative for drugs. No ketamine, GHB or Rohypnol was found in the samples which suggest they are not commonly used to spike drinks.

"There has been a lot of media coverage in recent years, mainly focusing on just a few substances including Rohypnol and GHB, which has led to the perception that drinkspiking is a widespread practice. But most patients allegedly having a spiked drink tested negative for drugs misuse.

"Claiming their drink has been spiked may be used as an excuse by patients who have become incapacitated after the voluntary consumption of excess alcohol."

Dr Hughes said some women might have felt ashamed at ending up in casualty. "There seems to be greater awareness about the dangers of binge-drinking, which is where the emphasis should stay," he added.

Last month Julie Bentley, chief executive of the Suzy Lamplugh Trust, said many women fall victim to sexual assaults after being plied with alcohol. Commenting on claims that Rohypnol had played a part in sex attacks, she said: "As far as I am aware, there has never been a case of Rohypnol in this country found."

In the light of the latest research, Dr Peter Saul, a GP in Wrexham, said: "There had always been a suspicion that people would say that their drinks had been spiked when perhaps they had misjudged how much alcohol they were taking.

"If you go home and your parents are there, and you are vomiting on the path, and you come in in a terrible state, you get sympathy if you say, 'My drink was spiked'.

"You don't get sympathy if you say, 'We spent too long in the bar'."

He added: "The message has to be: be careful - not just about having your drink spiked - but how much alcohol you have."
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 03:13 pm
@matt-kane,
Ok let sum this up you have a fight with your girlfriend and while you was out of the area she went drinking and picked up or allow herself to be picked up by some guy and then taken him home for some sex.

She then came up with a bullshit story of being drug with some date rape drug to tell you. Turning her from a cheater to a crime victim.

The odds of her being a victim of a rape with special note of with an aid of a date rape drug is extremely tiny and is only good for a plot line of a TV show.

See my postings concerning so call date rape drugs for more details.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 03:27 pm
@matt-kane,
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and he was hiting her and calling names and choking her.


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She had blue marks on her body.


Consentual sex? See above.

Yes, date rape drugs can make you still remember portions of things.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2016 03:39 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
LOL you never had rough consensual sex in your life that ended up leaving marks??????

In fact such marks would be an added reason for coming up with a rape with the aid if a data rape drug for her returning boyfriend.

Footnote decades ago I remember greatly amusing my female co-workers by showing up for work with marks on my body that I was not aware of in time to hide them.

I guess I should had try the date rape story.
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