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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 09:33 pm
@firefly,
You have alway seem to be of the opinion that you are in charge of this thread and can set the rules.
Caroline
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 09:34 pm
@Ionus,
There must be a lot of unhealthy relationships out there because over half the internet traffic is porn.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 09:50 pm
@Caroline,
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Rape is a traumatic thing so stop talking utter bullshit you woman hating tosser.
If you replaced "is" with "can be" you would have a factual statement.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 10:01 pm
@Caroline,
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There must be a lot of unhealthy relationships out there because over half the internet traffic is porn
you should have been able to figure that out by looking at the divorce rate, the domestic violence rate, and by listening to kids talk about their home life.
Caroline
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 10:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
We are not talking about that are we you moron.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 10:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
Your contention that rape victims suffer no ill effects or "significant trauma" seems to be wishful thinking on your part.

You also seem to have misinterpreted the study you cite. The author has not concluded that rape victims have no difficulty adjusting following a rape. In fact, her conclusion is quite the opposite--they do have difficulties--and that was true whether the rape was acknowledged or not.
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Results of this study suggest that suffering a sexual assault has a negative and persisting impact on the victim’s functioning...

This supports the notion that rapes are very difficult to recover from and are often perceived as overwhelming individuals’ coping resources. It also suggests that unacknowledged victims are not using more healthy coping strategies than acknowledged victims...

It appears that the crime of rape is one which is extremely difficult for women to overcome, regardless of whether it is acknowledged. The effects of rape on the victim appear to include psychological distress, lowered self-esteem, and damage to cultural beliefs. Indeed, supporting the overwhelming nature of this crime, victims on average used more maladaptive, avoidance coping strategies than approach coping strategies. It also appears that the effects of unacknowledged and acknowledged victims are more similar than they are different..
http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-11062003-190640/unrestricted/heatherlittletondissertation3.pdf


I think you would be hard pressed to find reputable research which supports the notion that a majority rape victims do not suffer deleterious effects as the result of the rape experience--whether the rape is acknowledged or not.

The study you cited supports the finding that rape victims do, indeed, suffer negative effects as the result of the rape. Those ill effects are indications of the trauma sustained.




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Caroline
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 10:09 pm
@BillRM,
You and blindeye just think women are here for your pleasure, utter dickheads and I'll bet you can't make a woman cum. I'll bet blindeye hasn't even got a woman if he has I feel sorry for her.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 10:25 pm
@Arella Mae,
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Kindly point out where I have dimissed anything about a man being raped?
In this post here :
http://able2know.org/topic/158723-237#post-4408393Your response did not address it.
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Rape happens to men and women and it is reprehensible no matter who the victim is.
Of course it is. I wouldnt have thought that needed to be said.
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I find your post extremely demanding for a level of protection that is unreasonable.
And just what is it that I am demanding?
Protection.
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You attitude about rape surely does not fit the "norm" for a victim of rape but there are exceptions to everything I suppose.
My attitude is that women over dramatise everything to get better protection. They exagerate child birth, they hype up rape, they visit their doctor more often, they divorce men more, they demand abortion after deciding to have sex, they have a child and leave it with the grandparents so they can fulfill their careers where they demand protection from the men they work with.....the list goes on.....protection from everything. I think they should get with the program and toughen up.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 10:26 pm
There appears to be another form of sexual assault going on between males. School age males are now engaging in a "game" called "sack tapping"--punching each other in the groin as a form of bullying, often posting videos of these attacks on YouTube as a form of "entertainment".

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Nov 9, 2010
Extreme Bullying on the Rise
WMTV NBC 15


It is bullying in the most extreme sense. Violent attacks to the genitals are on the rise. Many view it as funny and kids are bold enough to post it all over the internet without realizing the devastating effects it can cause.

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Extreme Bullying on the Rise


It is bullying in the most extreme sense. Violent attacks to the genitals are on the rise.

Many view it as funny and kids are bold enough to post it all over the internet without realizing the devastating effects it can cause.

The preparation is casual and the attacks vicious. All of it is usually met with laughter and smiling faces. Bold enough to post hundreds of videos to YouTube, kids have turned violent shots to the groin into a sick and twisted game.

Bill Rogers says, "I stumbled upon it completely by accident."

When Rogers began seeing the videos he couldn't believe his eyes.

He says, "It had a lot to do with abuse and bullying."

A nurse and member of the Army Reserves, Rogers is a father of two young girls from Portage and he suddenly has a new mission.

He says, "I just can't live with myself if I know something is wrong like that and just let it go I have to try to do something."

Rogers goal is to put these attacks in the spotlight and make kids and parents realize there is nothing funny about it. Studies show there are long term emotional effects similar to rape and kids are losing testicles.

The traumatic effects don't need to be explained to 14-year-old David Gibbons.

He says, "I don't know how to stop it."

Earlier this year doctors were forced to remove Gibbons right testicle after he was punched in the groin by anther student while changing classes at Crosby Ironton High School in Minnesota.

It's game known to students as "sack tapping".

David's mom Christy Gibbons says, "I seen the pain he was in. I seen what he went through every day, and it just breaks my heart and I don't want any other child to have to go through this."

At American Family Children's Hospital here in Madison word of this game is nothing new but they're dealing with more and more genital injuries to kids.

Director of Pediatric Urology Dr. John Kryger says, "Bullying is ultimately a game of control and domination of one person over another and that's the part of it that really is frustrating as a public health concern and safety in our schools."

Kryger says the popularity of movies like Jackass add to the problem.

They paint genital trauma or shots to the groin as something funny, ignoring the long term physical and sometimes more damaging emotional effects.

Kryger says, "It's not a funny issue at all. There is no humor in this. A lot of psychological trauma happens whenever bullying occurs and that's really some of the most dangerous and sad aspect we see."

Kryger says the hospital treats a case of testicle pain or injury about once every week but says it's impossible to know how many are from bullying because victims are often to scared to tell the truth.

He says, "I can think of one event where there is legal issues involved in a case like this here in Madison."

They are the kind of life changing effects Rogers is trying to stop. He's written several letters to the editor that have been printed in papers across the state. He's also done a formal literature review, learning all he can about the consequences of this game and called school districts to make them aware, offering to speak at any school that will have him.

Rogers says, "My life has been devoted to relieving pain and suffering of people"

Normally he does that as a nurse but stomach turning videos he's seen have given him a new mission.

He wants to make kids understand there is no humor in this bold and blatant bullying and wants to stop these vicious attacks before they hurt a kid and change his life forever.
http://www.wsaw.com/news/headlines/Extreme_Bullying_on_the_Rise_106956443.html?ref=443


You can view a video at the above Web site that contains very brief clips of some of these attacks. These are sexual assaults.


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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 10:26 pm
@Arella Mae,
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Ionus seems to spell better?
Magic should be in the religious thread.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 10:28 pm
@firefly,
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male rapes (which are decidedly a minority of all rapes) have been discussed
You are incorrect. The majority of ALL measures of violence is men against men which includes rape. Women just want protection so they whinge louder.
Caroline
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 10:29 pm
@Ionus,
No you are wrong Ionus, the majority or rapes are against women and children, jeez get your facts straight, everyone knows that!
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 10:31 pm
@Arella Mae,
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I think Bill and Hawkeye have made it perfectly clear how little they care about victims of rape.
Then I must make an effort to distance myself from their point of view. Victims of rape need support, some for a long time after and most never fully recover.

However, if we run around telling victims it must have been horrible and what a terrible thing to happen to you and so on....we are making it worse. Many victims initially feel relief and success at just having survived and got to a place of safety. Having placed the expectation that they must be a cryin wreck or they are not normal is kicking them in the teeth.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 10:32 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

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That was a statement YOU made, not me. I put quote marks around it because YOU said it. If I quoted a statement YOU made (that left out men) why would you assume I would include men in my response since you did not include them in your post?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 10:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
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these victims are made to feel like there is something wrong with them.
Exactly the point I was trying to make.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 10:34 pm
@Ionus,
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I think they should get with the program and toughen up.


Sounds to me, from your description, that women are already pretty tough--and are speaking up, and demanding their rights, and excercising their choices--just as men have always done. Good for them!

Women, as well as men, are entitled to have their rights, and their bodies, protected by laws.

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Caroline
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 10:35 pm
@Ionus,
I've never heard of such rubbish, show me the evidence.
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Caroline
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 10:36 pm
@Ionus,
You have a very low opinion of women, why?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 10:37 pm
@Caroline,
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It would place more demands on burden of proof...something that is already under pressure.
What do you mean?
The victim has to prove they are of good character (to the extent they are not lying in court) whilst the accused can cite the record of their character...the decision must be made as to who is lying. Having evidence of a previous crime helps convict, but a previous acquital can not be used. I would like to see character evidence of behaviour that in the eyes of psychologists places the accused in a high risk category as a rapist. Prostitutes having a customer record sheet would be one way to establish a propensity for sexual violence if it had occured at a legalised brothel.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2010 10:39 pm
@Caroline,
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There must be a lot of unhealthy relationships out there because over half the internet traffic is porn.
I dont think it is unhealthy relationships, I think it is single men.
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