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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 12:06 am
@firefly,
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and no D.A. could ethically just ignore the DNA from the rape kit,
of course they could, because in many cases the sex is not in dispute. A rape kit proving the leaving DNA on the alleged victim means nothing to either side. Testing the kit is a $500-$1,000 expense to the state (often now the feds) which is totally wasted. There is zero chance that the lab results will offer anything of use. Not testing the kit is common sense, and is in the best interests of all citizens.
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 12:12 am
@mysteryman,
The Innocence Project does wonderful work in trying to get wrongfully convicted men released from prison. They only take cases where they are pretty certain that the man is innocent and then they try to prove it using DNA. But, I think, that DNA is not generally from some old unanalyzed rape kit. These cases are older cases, before they had the methods of DNA analysis and collection they use now, and they have to be able to obtain some DNA from the original crime evidence which is not completely degraded. Most of the wrongful convictions were due to very poor police work, or coerced confessions, or a really inadequate defense attorney, or honest misidentification, or a combination of all of those factors. In some cases, the DNA has confirmed that the right man is in jail.

Analyzing the rape kits helps to prevent innocent men from even being convicted in the first place. That's how to avoid those terrible miscarriages of justice.
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 12:30 am
@OCCOM BILL,
Thanks for posting that.
To be honest I didnt know how to do it either.

We can all resume ignoring the troll now.
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 12:52 am
Elderly women in their beds, little girls walking to school, can anyone feel safe, or feel their child is safe..
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Man gets life sentence for raping elderly woman
September 30, 2010
The Associated Press

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A central Florida man has been sentenced to life in prison for raping a 70-year-old woman.

An Orange County jury found 30-year-old Robert Acosta guilty Wednesday of sexual battery with physical force, burglary of a dwelling, aggravated battery and false imprisonment. A judge immediately sentenced him to two consecutive life terms in prison along with separate and consecutive 30-year and 5-year sentences.

The victim testified that she was in bed on Dec. 4, 2008, when a man broke into her home, jumped into her bed and began punching her. The man forced her to perform a sex act and then he raped her.

The victim said she recognized Acosta as someone who had worked for her daughter. DNA evidence later linked him to the crime.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/09/30/1849723/man-gets-life-sentence-for-raping.html

School sends out warning after girl is raped
Jesse Wells Reporting KFOR
September 30, 2010

OKLAHOMA CITY -- This is a warning to parents all over Oklahoma City. An 11-year-old girl was abducted on her way to school Wednesday morning. Police are still searching for the suspect. District leaders sent out a letter to every parent Thursday. Basically it reminds parents not to let their kids walk to school alone. In the meantime, police need the public's help catching the man responsible for the crime.

Walking down Blackwelder, a little girl is abducted at the car wash.

"When the man first approached her, he did put some type of a weapon to her head and said not to yell or he would kill her," said Jennifer Wardlow with the OKC Police Dept.

The sixth grade victim had been walking alone on her way to Jefferson Middle School.

Parents who live nearby are understandably upset by the crime.

"It is much to be concerned about," Scarlette said, a parent in the area.

The victim told police the man sexually assaulted her before letting her go near the school.

In this letter sent home to parents district-wide, administrators advise everyone to be careful letting little kids walk to school.

"Children shouldn't be walking to school by themselves. We should, as an adult, accompany them or have them walk in groups," said Kathleen Kennedy with OKC Public Schools.

"I see a lot of them walk by themselves. They need to be paired up with other children, I think," Jean said, who lives in the area.

With the abduction as a scary reminder, folks who live near Jefferson Middle School plan to heed that advice.

"You never know, you just never know these days," said Scarlette.

Aside from the sexual assault, police say the little girl didn't suffer any serious injuries.
http://www.kfor.com/news/local/kfor-news-girl-raped-police-13-hours-later-alert-story,0,7106944.story



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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 12:58 am
@firefly,
We agree on this, which is why I don't believe testing old rape kits would result in springing innocent men... save perhaps one who plead out on something he didn't do, with the world's most incompetent attorney at his disposal.
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 01:08 am
@BillRM,
Laughing It's pretty clear who the coward is, here Bill. It's probably not the guy who hides neither his name, nor his picture or even his address. I am exactly who I say I am. You, on the other hand, are the demented coward so frightened that the PEOPLE WHO ALREADY KNOW YOU will recognize your name and picture and connect it to your demented ramblings here. You are a fake, a phony, and a total coward. There is no way to talk your way out of this simple truth, and especially not while you're still cowering in anonymity… displaying all the courage of a schoolboy playing ding dong ditch.
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 01:10 am
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Waking up after the Pitt Meadows Nightmare
Images of a girl allegedly drugged and gang-raped went viral. What do parents now say to teens?
By: By Kaycee Jane,
29 September 2010,

Any act of sexual violence is upsetting, but the recent alleged drugging and gang rape of a Pitt Meadows teen has stirred up unprecedented controversy.

What makes the incident so complicated and disturbing? How does popular culture affect the way teens view sexuality? Can dealing with sexual harassment and pressure at school help teens make better choices? What role did Facebook and other social media play? Where do we start?

"As for social media being the vehicle to unleash a Pandora's Box of evil," says Dr. Valerie Russo, director of violence prevention at the University of Idaho, "I think we need to correctly identify the evil. The evil is the behavior of these boys and men committing this horrific crime. Think about the language we use to describe the graphic photos of a 16-year-old girl being gang raped. It went 'viral' on the internet. Rape has gone viral, and it's infecting our communities across the world.

"Rape is not about sex -- it is an act of power over another human being, a selfish act of stealing a person's choice and dignity. Gang rape is male sexual bonding, the power and dominance of men degrading and humiliating a victim."

Some have suggested that the girl was "asking for it." What makes this incident so morally disturbing?

"Consensual sex is more complex than it might seem," says Dr. Larry Nucci, a psychologist at the University of California, Berkeley. "Colleges have learned this in dealing with date rape. What young men consider indications of consent are often very different from what young women do. Colleges engage students in conversations about what signals send what messages, how to clarify the message, how to terminate a sexual encounter. We rarely do that with high school kids.

"A girl perceived to be promiscuous is often misconstrued as inviting victimization. We use conventions about dress and behavior to signal interest in sexual behavior. When these signals are mixed -- as they often are in popular culture -- they're often misinterpreted. This doesn't mean young women have to look dowdy to protect their virtue. It means they live in a complex environment in which signals can easily be misinterpreted.

"We need to engage in the sort of education that universities have undertaken," says Nucci. "Frank discussions with both males and females, to unmask their assumptions, untangle misinformation, and change their perspectives on consensual sex."

'Simple, clear rules'

What information do we need to talk to our teens about consensual sex? How can we help them sort out what signals send what message?

"Ask your teen," says Donald Lazzarini, a retired rape investigator and University of Idaho anti-rape group advisor. "How do you get permission to hold hands? Most will explain you don't use words, you just kind of reach for their hand. When this same process is used in an attempt to touch a more private body part, or achieve vaginal penetration, no words are being used, so no one knows what has been agreed to. If the process is not simplified, the social context of the decision-making is nearly impossible."

What's the solution? "Give very simple, clear rules," says Lazzarini.

Ask first, and wait for an answer.

If there is no answer, there is no consent.

If the answer is unclear, ask again with more detail.

If the answer is No, respect it.

A person influenced by drugs or alcohol is not capable of making an informed decision.

Asking a person incapable of making an informed decision to engage in sexual activity puts the person asking at very high risk of committing criminal or civil violations.

If you respect yourself, and care about others, wait to talk to the person after they are sober.

Teaching to not blame the victim

What about the issue of blaming the victim? How can we unmask assumptions, untangle misinformation, and change teens' beliefs around consensual sex?

Dr. Julius Licata, director of TeenCentral.net (an online site that offers teens anonymous counseling), says that "asking questions about the different roles -- bystander, rapist, alleged victim -- will help a teen better understand what they believe about what happened."

If a teenaged boy believes the victim asked for it, or deserved it (because she was sexually active, or drunk, or made a bad choice), give him information says Dr. Julius.

"Like, rape is never about sex. Sex just happens to be the weapon. And ask questions: If you were a bystander, and one of the guys said, 'OK, it's your turn', would you go ahead because 'she deserved it', or 'was drunk'? Most teens will say 'No'. So why is it okay for those guys to do it, but not you? Then let him talk."

"If he says, 'Yes', you've got a problem. Ask why he thinks it's okay to be forceful, degrading and sexually violent to a girl. Then let him talk."

Dr. Julius suggests giving your son this information: "If you ever find yourself in a situation like this, step away and call 911. Then, if you feel safe, do what you can to stop what's going on. If you don't feel safe, step away. Even a cop won't step in without backup."

And he advises giving your daughter this information: "Drinking and drugs reduce your ability to keep yourself safe. Being raped has nothing to do with how a girl dresses."

And ask her questions: "Do you think if you'd been sexually active you'd deserve to have sex forced on you? If you drank to the point of 'being messed up', would you deserve to be gang raped?" And then let her talk.

Does our sexualized culture make young men feel more entitled and encourage both genders to say, 'She deserved it'?

"Objectifying someone makes it easier to harm them," says Dr. Russo. "Same thing goes for what fuels a young person to believe this alleged victim asked for it or deserved it: she was sexually active, she wanted to do the drugs, she wanted to have sex with one or two people. Of course, having sex and being raped are diametrically opposed."

A culture of complicity

Can we extrapolate how the sexual abuse continuum works -- sexual jokes, objectification, unwanted touch, sexual labels like "whore" or "frigid," forcing sex -- outside the context of a romantic relationship?

"Absolutely," says Lazzarini. "Unchecked behaviors like verbal sexual harassment and physical sexual harassment are akin to practicing inappropriate behaviors in a playground, and this can lead to increased sexual violence like rapes."

Lynn Glazier, director and producer of It's a Teen's World: wired for sex, lies and power trips, is an expert on bullying and sexual harassment among youth. She points out that teens live in a hyper-sexualized and high-tech culture. "Twenty-one kids aged 13-17 (from stable, middle-class homes) volunteered to have candid conversations about what influences their decision-making around sexual and social behavior," she says. "They confirmed the prevalence of sexual harassment among their peers -- everything from sexual gossip to unwanted sexual touching, like bum-slapping. It's all about misusing personal power in the quest for belonging, acceptance and social status. Being a sexual 'player' is equated with popularity and being cool."

Where does this idea come from, that sexual prowess makes you popular and cool? The media, say the teens: raunchy music videos, reality TV, ads for skimpy clothing, porn on the net, sex tapes. "Teens are bombarded with graphic, violent sexual images and messages, sexual stereotypes and misogyny," says Glazier, "to the point where it has become normalized."

One of the most intriguing things to come out of the documentary process was the three fictional dramas the teens wrote, directed and acted in, based on true experiences. "Under Pressure" deals with sexual rumors fueled by technology and social media. "The Pursuit of Popularity" exposes the pitfalls of changing yourself and your values to fit in. But it's the third fictional drama the teens produced that resonates most disturbingly these days. It's about a girl who's victimized by a date-rape drug. It's called "It Could Happen to You."
http://thetyee.ca/Life/2010/09/29/PittMeadowsNightmare/
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 01:13 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Thanks for posting that.
To be honest I didnt know how to do it either.

We can all resume ignoring the troll now.
My pleasure. Check out my Super cool computer tricks, for dopes like me. thread for more handy tips.

(I'll try to do better at ignoring the troll.)
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 01:15 am
@firefly,
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A person influenced by drugs or alcohol is not capable of making an informed decision
Bullshit, though this does point out where the rape feminists want to go, which is to make all sex while under the influence illegal. After that I suppose that they will try to make all sex where one person is stressed illegal. Where the scaredy cat nutso law making ends no one knows, because no one knows when America will raise up and yell ENOUGH!
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 01:33 am
@BillRM,
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ye please also take note that she had posted no matter how under the influence a male is he is still totally responsible for judging his partner ability to give consent
For now, but the main point Bill is that they totally want to get to that idiotic manual that some college published a few years back that was a huge failure because of the lunacy>>>>"Can I kiss you now Y/N, Can I touch your hair now Y/N, Can I touch your tit now Y/N, Can I pinch your nipple now Y/N.........................................................................................................................................................................

....................................................................................................................................................................................................50 questions later Can I penetrate you know with my dick Y/N"


And if either one of them has touched a drop the whole deal is illegal.
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 01:43 am
@BillRM,
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It is completely old fashion double standard day for the Feminists
Yes Bill, but under that they are generally anti sex puritans who are just fine if no one has sex. They think that sex is BY NATURE abuse of the female gender, the less sex humans have the better. They in this case are the rape feminists. The sex positive feminists call BS on this one, but then the sex positive feminist for the most part are not paranoid about rape or male aggression either. In fact a lot of them know enough to know that some of the best sex is a display of power in the erotic.

I dont think that the rape feminists are going to get what they want, but that crap that FF posted that I went off of a few posts back clearly demonstrates the nutty place that they would go to if we did not stop them.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 03:09 am
@BillRM,
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Ohio paid out more than $3.5 million in 2009 from its Ohio Crime Victims Reparations Fund to reimburse hospitals for performing and collecting evidence in 6,695 sexual-assault examinations.

About 1,000 kits were submitted to the state lab system for testing last year. How much it cost to test those kits is hard to pinpoint because it depends on how much -- if any-- useful forensic or biological evidence was found in the kit and whether scientists did additional work to identify a DNA profile from the samples.

Nationally, cost estimates for testing range from $250 to $1,500 per kit
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/08/ohio_attorney_general_richard_7.html

So that is $500 to collect a kit, and then the figures I have seen are just under $1000 on average to test it. And what are we getting? Some claim that the police will take rape more seriously, some more DNA in the database...dropping for the moment the constitutionality of taking and databasing DNA recordings of people whom are not charged with a crime without their consent, how does this make sense?

There needs to be clear guidlines on when a sample is taken, and also when it is tested, as well as what is done with the results.
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 06:40 am
Hey, this may have already been covered here - I'm frankly too lazy to read all 160+ pages to find out. but I was wondering what everyone thinks about that Mexican sports reporter female in the NFL locker room saying she was harrassed.

I think of myself as fairly enlightened in general, but I can't help turning this scenario around in my mind... If a male reporter who was well built went into a female lacker room of undressed and half dressed female athletes, and that male reporter had on skintight clothing that hugged and exposed him in a way that not much was left for the imagination, would we hear (and would we listen to) any protestations of harrassment? How would that little change in the logistics of the situation change our reactions to it?
 

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