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1. The real reason we dropped the bomb (even two) was because we didn't want Russia to help us invade japan because then they'd want to occupy Japan afterwards and make it communist as they did with Germany. Also we wanted the world to know the power we possessed.

2. We dropped the bombs for political reasons not military ones.

Eisenhower,Nimitz and Mcarthur the great american war heroes disagreed with the bombing,these three men were some of the most high ranking offficials in the US military,im not making this up ! they did not think it was necessary to drop the bombs,their opinion is good enough for me !

These three men "were" the most high ranking.
I do not dispute your claim. I will state however that these men were, as leftist love to proclaim, "war mongers". Each of these men made decisions that sent thousands of men to their deaths based on their egos alone. These men saw their troops as tools, and tools alone. I will provide examples if needed. It is my contention that these men would have preferred an invasion over a quick solution for the sake of enhancing their place in history as "great generals".

1. You are right concerning Russia. The reason was a legitimate and logical reason. Turned out very well for Japan.

2. Wrong. The invasion was going to occur. Suing for peace was not advocated among Japanese military officials.

Some of those involved with the suit committed suicide under pressure.

Hundreds of thousands were going to die. A great percentage of those were going to be American. That was not acceptable to America's president. He understood that saving American lives was his job along with ending hostilities begun and sustained by the enemy Japan.

So your saying these men would have be more than happy to see thousands of their own men killed to suit their own place in history as great generals,the point is in their opinion as the most high ranking miltary figures,was that japan were already looking to surrender,and that the bomb didnt need to be dropped.

1. turned out well? Lemme ask you this, if you were Japan what would you prefer:
"Two nukes decimating the population of two of your major cities or to have half of your nation temporarily communist"?

2. Contrary to what many of our advisers were saying

3. Do you know why that was? The japanese had no choice but to surrender but it is against their code of honor so he killed himself.

4.We dropped TWO bombs both on civilian targets, the war was quickly coming to a close the defeat of the Japanese was near, and we still hadn't had the chance to test our nukes on a real target and if we didn't end the war very quickly the russians would demand to occupy a portion of japan.

I will not presume the knowledge to say yes to the statement. But, their records suggest that decisions made before the atomic event lean toward the lives of their men being secondary to whatever agenda they settled on.
You continually present the idea that Japan was ready to surrender. They were not. The suit for peace was not advocated by the military powers of Japan. Many of the individuals in the suit for peace committed suicide under pressure for the attempt. They were concerned for the welfare of the Japanese people. The powers that opposed peace had one thing in mind. Ego.
The reality is that the bombs did not need to be dropped.
America would have completed the mission no matter the cost in American lives.
President Truman saw his job to avoid those American deaths by any means available to him. He used that means.

So your saying these men would have be more than happy to see thousands of their own men killed to suit their own place in history as great generals,the point is in their opinion as the most high ranking miltary figures,was that japan were already looking to surrender,and that the bomb didnt need to be dropped.

1. You are right concerning Russia. The reason was a legitimate and logical reason. Turned out very well for Japan.

2. Wrong. The invasion was going to occur. Suing for peace was not advocated among Japanese military officials. Some of those involved with the suit committed suicide under pressure. Hundreds of thousands were going to die. A great percentage of those were going to be American. That was not acceptable to America's president. He understood that saving American lives was his job along with ending hostilities begun and sustained by the enemy Japan.

You accused me of not knowing my history,but it was you that didnt know that Eisenhower,Nimitz and Mcarthur disagreed with the bombing,so the US dropped the bomb to prevent horrendous casualties,but these three Great American War Heroes"were against it but they wanted more glory and were willing to suffer horrendous casualties in the process.

Norman cousins was a consultant do General MacArthur during the occupation of Japan. Cousins writes of his conversations with MacArthur, "MacArthurs views about the decision to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were starkly different form what the general public supposed." He continues, "When i asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, i was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted. What, i asked, would have advice have been ? He replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor."

Don't forget Britain's role in defeating the Japs, Scoob. You boys were there, too. How much did Britain protest the use of the atomic bomb?

So what, Scoob? Individuals disagree all the time, and no one possesses absolute truth all the time. People will disagree on stuff........a lot. That's life. As a nation, we did the right thing by bombing Imperial Japan with everything we had until it surrendered. Heck, if it had been up to you, the Democracies would have surrendered to the fascists on both fronts. You don't believe in fighting for anything. You don't really believe in much, except day-to-day survival. You're one of the most ideologically bankrupt people I've ever met. You typify most of Europe right now. YOU are the reason Europe suffered two world wars. :headbang:

"We dropped TWO bombs both on civilian targets....."

Had to, to force a separation amongst the Japanese army, emperor and people. The army wanted to continue the war at all costs, in the spirit of the Samurai. The emperor was under its thumb. The three entities had to be split apart so that something would 'give' under the enormous pressure of continued atomic bombing.


"...............the war was quickly coming to a close...."

No, it wasn't. The Battle of Okinawa was a preview of the horrors of the future fight for Japan. The war was not coming to a 'close', in the minds of the Japanese. That was the problem. The Japanese would have kept fighting when it was obvious they couldn't win. It would've been a slaughter-fest on both sides, dragging on for years. We could have lost a million troops. No thanks. Nuke'm.

".......the defeat of the Japanese was near....."

Not according to the Code of Bushido. As long as a single Japanese citizen lived, the war lived.

No regrets. No looking back. No revisionism. Just say 'no' to anti-Western, neo-Marxism.

No, Scooby.

No, FF.

No, Sabz.

HELL NO.:FU1:

PS: And yes, Sabz, I AM AN AMERICAN PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER. I TEACH HISTORY, AND I TEACH THAT THE NUCLEAR BOMBING OF JAPAN WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Furthermore, my hair is short. I believe in God. I'm a Republican. I voted for Bush. I served in the U.S. Army for 20 years, and I LOVE AMERICA. I am everything you are NOT, and frig'n damned PROUD of it.

Yes Britain did play a part in defeating the japs pino,did it take you long to work that out ?

"How much did britain protest the use of the atomic bomb" Dont think they wuld have had much say in the matter Pino,lets face it,if the three top men in the american military were against it and it still went ahead,do you think it would have mattered what Britain thought !

LETS ALL STAND FOR THE NATIONAL ANTHEM

That was a rousing speech,you almost brought a tear to my eye :wtf:

Yes people do disagree all the time,but when your top threee miltary men disagree on the use of the atomic bomb,that is slightly more important dont you think ?

Being a leftie/commie/socialist as you like to call me,i would have fought against the facists,believe it or not,i am not a pacifist. :cool:

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Had to, to force a separation amongst the Japanese army, emperor and people. The army wanted to continue the war at all costs, in the spirit of the Samurai. The emperor was under its thumb. The three entities had to be split apart so that something would 'give' under the enormous pressure of continued atomic bombing.

it was an attack on civilians and only civilians

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No, it wasn't. The Battle of Okinawa was a preview of the horrors of the future fight for Japan. The war was not coming to a 'close', in the minds of the Japanese. That was the problem. The Japanese would have kept fighting when it was obvious they couldn't win. It would've been a slaughter-fest on both sides, dragging on for years. We could have lost a million troops. No thanks. Nuke'm.

high ranking Japanese officials were suing for peace.

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Not according to the Code of Bushido. As long as a single Japanese citizen lived, the war lived.

many of them were beginning to abandon the Bushido code.



HELL NO.:FU1:

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I TEACH THAT THE NUCLEAR BOMBING OF JAPAN WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

Oh so you're a history teacher and a civics teacher now???

Pinochet73;56899 wrote:

it was an attack on civilians and only civilians




high ranking Japanese officials were suing for peace.




many of them were beginning to abandon the Bushido code.



HELL NO.:FU1:



Oh so you're a history teacher and a civics teacher now???

Yeah.....I'm certified in Composite Social Studies. Think what you want, FF. I'm done with you and your cohorts here. Goodbye forever.:FU1:

I hate reminding you of your hypocrisy just as much as you hate my doing so, constantly. :no: