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Patriot Act is unconstitutional!

 
 
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 9 Dec, 2007 06:37 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;47958 wrote:
Have you spoken to the Iranians..? I agree that as a people they are afraid of us - meaning any retribution that may follow an aggressive action by their leadership but that is what we fear also. I do not trust their leaders any more than I trust ours. They are all corrupted by the power. All of them. Hillary, Obama, Rudy, Romney...they all should be kicked to the curb. Their only interest is in the power they possess as president of this once great and powerful country, not in you or me.


As a wise man once said...

"power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"
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DurtySanches
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2007 05:59 pm
@DurtySanches,
DurtySanches;47990 wrote:
So who hear thinks Iranians are killing American soldiers? I'll start. 1
92, drake, fatal?
Drakej
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2007 06:50 pm
@DurtySanches,
DurtySanches;48229 wrote:
92, drake, fatal?


As far as what? Talking about Iranian extremist traveling to Iraq and Afghanistan? Yeah I can agree with that, do I think that Iran is shipping arms here and there? Yeah I would agree with that, but the amount of arms they are supplying is probably a fraction of the arms that we give away like a freaking yard sale. But until I see hard facts about Iran, what the hell are we doing picking a fight?
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2007 06:55 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Drake, the people of Iran are peaceful and gentle. It's the government, the morons in power, that want to destroy you. They despise you and every freedom you believe in.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2007 07:35 pm
@Drakej,
Drakej;48234 wrote:
As far as what? Talking about Iranian extremist traveling to Iraq and Afghanistan? Yeah I can agree with that, do I think that Iran is shipping arms here and there? Yeah I would agree with that, but the amount of arms they are supplying is probably a fraction of the arms that we give away like a freaking yard sale. But until I see hard facts about Iran, what the hell are we doing picking a fight?


So, our government is lying to us when it says Iran is supplying arms to our enemies in Iraq? It's not 'hard facts' you want. You just don't support the US, period. We now live in an age of chronic treason. When scat hits the fan, and our civilization collapses, I won't feel compelled to help citizens like you. Sorry.:no:
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Drakej
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2007 09:03 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
All that I am saying is Iran is doing nothing more then what we are doing. I am pretty damn sure we have given missile systems to countries. But all of this talk about going to war over things that do not exist like Nuclear weapons has got to stop. We need to put alittle more effort into research before we decide to start a 3rd front.

Also Pino just so you are aware, I am serving this country as we speak. I have worked my whole life to give something back to this country. I may not have served in the military or ever been to war but I have sacrificed some of my self in other ways to get to this point. I worked 60 hours a week plus going to school with 15 to 20 hours of homework per week. Just so I could get a job with the feds. Now I have that job and I am giving back to this country. I love this country just as much as you claim to. If not more. So do not ever say I do not support this country again.

What I do not support is going to war on false pretenses. What I do not support is our men and women dying for nothing. Do not tell me securing our oil is worth people dying. A strategic foothold is not worth there lives either. If you are so hell bent on destroying the middle east why not pull out and let them kill themselves? We can simply walk in when they are done and take all the things you want.

This may upset you Pino but there are Americans that are willing to die for this country that do not agree with every war we enter. I stand behind our troops, I have very good friends that have been to the Sand Box more than once, and I thank them every time I see them. I have cried with them. I love them like brothers for the sacrifices they have made. And I honestly do not think there sacrifices are worth the reward. The scars they burden all the pain and hurt is not worth it. Not for Oil, not for a sweet ass missile base in the Middle East.

I understand that this is the internet and you have a reputation to uphold. But try and be a little more thoughtful in your discussions man. I speak my mind because I have nothing to hide but I do it in what I feel is a diplomatic manner. I do not make fun of you or call you names. I am me, look at my Avatar yup that is my ugly ass in the picture. My screen name bares my last name. I am me and some times I think you dont know who you are or what you really feel man.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2007 09:22 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;48236 wrote:
Drake, the people of Iran are peaceful and gentle. It's the government, the morons in power, that want to destroy you. They despise you and every freedom you believe in.


I'll agree with most of what you said but, No one hates freedom, even the crazies want freedom for themselves!
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2007 01:00 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;48265 wrote:
I'll agree with most of what you said but, No one hates freedom, even the crazies want freedom for themselves!


Freedom for themselves at a cost of enslavement of their people.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2007 07:57 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;48265 wrote:
I'll agree with most of what you said but, No one hates freedom, even the crazies want freedom for themselves!


'No one hates freedom'? Wha........??????:wtf:

You never cease to amaze me, man.:wave2:
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2007 08:02 pm
@Pinochet73,
"All that I am saying is Iran is doing nothing more then what we are doing."

So, should we consider Iran equal to us in every way -- equally just, equally concerned about human rights, equally responsible as a nation? Whatever we do, Iran should be able to do, as well, because Iran is equally good, safe and sound in judgment? Man, your logic is crazy. Iran is a definitively rogue nation. Wake up. :banghead:
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2007 08:09 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;48331 wrote:
'No one hates freedom'? Wha........??????:wtf:

You never cease to amaze me, man.:wave2:


Do you have propaganda inserted directly into your blood-stream or is it spoon fed to you?

i'm sorry there's something seriously wrong with you if you actually believe people hate freedom, nobody hates freedom no matter how sadistic or cold-hearted they may be...why would people want to limit their own free will?
Drakej
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2007 08:41 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
In regards to selling arms. You really know how to take it out of context buddy. They are not equal on all planes with us but who is? Absolutely no one that is what makes life so interesting. None of us are exactly alike no matter how much that may piss you off Pino. We sell guns to bad men just like every other country that manufactures arms.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2007 10:38 pm
@DurtySanches,
DurtySanches;48229 wrote:
92, drake, fatal?


I'm sure a few iranians have killed americans, along with some chinese, maybe an african has killed and american, oh wait, i just saw a news cast were an american killed an american, holy shnikeys, let nuke the Idahos!!!
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2007 10:29 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
When the day comes that we have to go to war with Utah, we are really going to kick some ass."

Christian Slater in BROKEN ARROW
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 09:01 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;48335 wrote:
Do you have propaganda inserted directly into your blood-stream or is it spoon fed to you?

i'm sorry there's something seriously wrong with you if you actually believe people hate freedom, nobody hates freedom no matter how sadistic or cold-hearted they may be...why would people want to limit their own free will?


Huh? :wtf:
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 09:04 pm
@Drakej,
Drakej;48350 wrote:
In regards to selling arms. You really know how to take it out of context buddy. They are not equal on all planes with us but who is? Absolutely no one that is what makes life so interesting. None of us are exactly alike no matter how much that may piss you off Pino. We sell guns to bad men just like every other country that manufactures arms.


You really don't believe in America. To you, it's just a place to live. Personally, I don't like Iran, and think it's a crazy, dangerous, rogue nation that should be countered, constantly. Yeah.....I believe it's evil.:headbang::headbang:
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 09:25 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;48488 wrote:
You really don't believe in America. To you, it's just a place to live. Personally, I don't like Iran, and think it's a crazy, dangerous, rogue nation that should be countered, constantly. Yeah.....I believe it's evil.:headbang::headbang:


nobody is evil, people are just people. people may be wrong, cold-hearted, immoral, or greedy but people just don't kill people without a reason. the sooner people realize this the sooner we can start working togather instead of against eachother!
92b16vx
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 10:24 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;48492 wrote:
nobody is evil,


Some are.

Quote:
people are just people. people may be wrong, cold-hearted, immoral, or greedy


True dat

Quote:
but people just don't kill people without a reason. the sooner people realize this the sooner we can start working togather instead of against eachother!


Yes they do, but in the case of the attacks on America, they did have their reasons. Does this make their reasoning right? Hell no, does this mean anyone agrees with their reasoning just because we can see why they think the way they do? Hell no, and that's what people like pino need to learn. Just because some people can see things from different points of view, doesn't mean that they sympathize, or agree with them.
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Fri 14 Dec, 2007 11:43 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;48492 wrote:
nobody is evil, people are just people. people may be wrong, cold-hearted, immoral, or greedy but people just don't kill people without a reason. the sooner people realize this the sooner we can start working togather instead of against eachother!


Are you high? Don't you read the papers or watch the local news? People commit random acts of violence on complete strangers thousands of times daily in Los Angeles.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Fri 14 Dec, 2007 03:36 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;48512 wrote:
Are you high? Don't you read the papers or watch the local news? People commit random acts of violence on complete strangers thousands of times daily in Los Angeles.


but they do it for a reason, and in their eye's they think they're doing good.
 

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