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Iran Isreal and US

 
 
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 02:04 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;50143 wrote:
Scooby desperately wants BAD GUYS to own the Earth. He must have a death-wish.:no:


Thats complete nonsense pino,i dont lke radical islam as much as the next person,what i dont agree with is the US foreign policy in the middle-east.
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2008 03:48 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;50202 wrote:
"i think i have proven this is true" no you haven't

They fought for their freedom to roam the land like theri ancestors,not control the land.They did not try to be masters of the land"

They certainly are trying to control the land,by building iilegal sttelements on the West bank,and because of military might abd US backing that is exactly what they have done.


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They fought for their freedom to roam the land like theri ancestors,not control the land.They did not try to be masters of the land"


In reference to the Native Americans, not the Israelis.

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no you haven't


Care to explain?
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2008 12:44 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;50208 wrote:
In reference to the Native Americans, not the Israelis.



Care to explain?


I was talking about israel and who claim to be the rightfull owners.
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2008 02:51 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;50256 wrote:
I was talking about israel and who claim to be the rightfull owners.


But you made it sound like I was too, which I wasn't.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2008 03:02 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;50266 wrote:
But you made it sound like I was too, which I wasn't.


Ok you were talking about the native americans,whose land was taken from them,or is that "irrelevant"
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2008 03:19 pm
@hatukazi,
Just keep talking when you've been proven wrong scooby.

The whole Native American thing is just semantics and unneccessary, and it seems to me like you're the one who doesn't have a response about Israel.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2008 03:24 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;50271 wrote:
Just keep talking when you've been proven wrong scooby.

The whole Native American thing is just semantics and unneccessary, and it seems to me like you're the one who doesn't have a response about Israel.


how have i been proven wrong ? i said what if all the indenious peoples around the world,sooundly said we were here first,we want our land back.
As for Israel,they were not the only tribe or people that can lay claim to the land.

Take a chill pill and settle down :thumbup:
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2008 03:34 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;50273 wrote:
how have i been proven wrong ? i said what if all the indenious peoples around the world,sooundly said we were here first,we want our land back.
As for Israel,they were not the only tribe or people that can lay claim to the land.

Take a chill pill and settle down :thumbup:


Okay, this is about the fifth and last time I will repeat myself.

I never said that the Arabs were obligated to give the land back to the Israelis, I said that the Jews were morally justified in taking the land back.

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As for Israel,they were not the only tribe or people that can lay claim to the land.


Show me a group that lives today whose ancestors inhabited the land before the Jews.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2008 03:43 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;50279 wrote:
Okay, this is about the fifth and last time I will repeat myself.

I never said that the Arabs were obligated to give the land back to the Israelis, I said that the Jews were morally justified in taking the land back.



Show me a group that lives today whose ancestors inhabited the land before the Jews.


So you think that jews from all round the world were morally justified to take control of a land in which the vast majority of the people were against.

So are you trying to tell me that the canaanites and phonecians dont have any ancestors left in that land today.
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2008 03:46 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;50284 wrote:
So you think that jews from all round the world were morally justified to take control of a land in which the vast majority of the people were against.

So are you trying to tell me that the canaanites and phonecians dont have any ancestors left in that land today.


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So you think that jews from all round the world were morally justified to take control of a land in which the vast majority of the people were against.


Yes, because they were the previous owners of the land, and were driven away from it.

I believe I have already stated that the Jews killed all inhabitants of the land upon taking it. This means they are the best historical claimants of the land.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2008 03:55 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;50287 wrote:
Yes, because they were the previous owners of the land, and were driven away from it.

I believe I have already stated that the Jews killed all inhabitants of the land upon taking it. This means they are the best historical claimants of the land.


You "Believe" that the jews killed all inhabitants of the land upon taking it,how do you know this ? and that means they have got the best historical claimants to the land. OK i will tkae YOUR word for it. :beat:
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jan, 2008 04:05 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;50289 wrote:
You "Believe" that the jews killed all inhabitants of the land upon taking it,how do you know this ? and that means they have got the best historical claimants to the land. OK i will tkae YOUR word for it. :beat:


No, I believe that I have stated that fact, I know that the Jews killed all of the Caananites. I know because the Bible says so and this is the most reliable historical source.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 09:53 am
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;50293 wrote:
No, I believe that I have stated that fact, I know that the Jews killed all of the Caananites. I know because the Bible says so and this is the most reliable historical source.


So you "believe" that you have stated a fact that the jews killed all Canaanites,because the bible says so,it must be true then :beat:

So the jews commited a complete genocide of the original peoples of the land,and because of that they have lived there the longest and have a right to the land in your opinion.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 12:40 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;50287 wrote:
Yes, because they were the previous owners of the land, and were driven away from it.

I believe I have already stated that the Jews killed all inhabitants of the land upon taking it. This means they are the best historical claimants of the land.


The Old Testament is the collection of books written prior to the life of jesus but accepted by christians as scripture.Broadly speaking its the same as the Hebrew Bible.

ITS NOT A VERY BALANCED AND FAIR VIEW THEN IS IT,IF ITS TAKEN FROM THE HEBREW BIBLE.
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 03:22 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;50371 wrote:
So you "believe" that you have stated a fact that the jews killed all Canaanites,because the bible says so,it must be true then :beat:

So the jews commited a complete genocide of the original peoples of the land,and because of that they have lived there the longest and have a right to the land in your opinion.


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So you "believe" that you have stated a fact that the jews killed all Canaanites,because the bible says so,it must be true then :beat:


Find me twenty people with a significant amount Caananite blood. You can't, cause there is no way that there were enough survivors to reproduce enough.

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So the jews commited a complete genocide of the original peoples of the land,and because of that they have lived there the longest and have a right to the land in your opinion


They were not the original people of the land, the Jews came from the general area of Israel, so they could be considered the original people of the land.

Besides that, the answer is yes. They have a right to the land, and since they have the ability to take and rule over it, there is no reason why they should not have it.
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 03:25 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;50379 wrote:
The Old Testament is the collection of books written prior to the life of jesus but accepted by christians as scripture.Broadly speaking its the same as the Hebrew Bible.

ITS NOT A VERY BALANCED AND FAIR VIEW THEN IS IT,IF ITS TAKEN FROM THE HEBREW BIBLE.


There is no reason to believe that the account of the killing of the Caananites is untrue. You think it is an unfair view, but how could it possibly be more against the Jews? What kind of PR is it to admit that you commited genocide?

The lack of modern Caananites merely proves the truthfulness of the account.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 08:32 pm
@scooby-doo cv,
scooby-doo;50205 wrote:
Thats complete nonsense pino,i dont lke radical islam as much as the next person,what i dont agree with is the US foreign policy in the middle-east.


You either side with us, Scoob, or watch your world go up in flames (between rainstorms, of course). Terrorist Islam is going to force you to choose; it already is, and you know it. Your warm, cushy, make-believe 'safe-place', called atheistic socialism, will fold like the house of cards it is in the face of Jihad. It doesn't stand a chance.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jan, 2008 09:43 am
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;50424 wrote:
Find me twenty people with a significant amount Caananite blood. You can't, cause there is no way that there were enough survivors to reproduce enough.



They were not the original people of the land, the Jews came from the general area of Israel, so they could be considered the original people of the land.

Besides that, the answer is yes. They have a right to the land, and since they have the ability to take and rule over it, there is no reason why they should not have it.


You are going by what you resd in the bible,which has a judeo/christian point of view,the jews conquered caananites,but are you trying to tell me none survived,fled or assimilated with other tribes in the region.

So,what became of the displaced cannanites.Certainly many were killed,but history shows that many survived outside the borders of present day israel.They survive in places where the name Amorite is only scarcely masked - in the regions of Morocco,Mauretania and neighbouribg Tunisia and Algeria.When they were driven out of Canaan they fled to Africa,to a land that was rightfully their own,and they have been there for over 3000 years,Unlike many peoples,they actually know who their ancestors were.They are people known as the Berbers,living along the Barbary coast of northern africa.Locals legends survive that they are the people driven out of Cannan by joshua and later generations of Israelite leaders.
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jan, 2008 09:51 am
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;50426 wrote:
There is no reason to believe that the account of the killing of the Caananites is untrue. You think it is an unfair view, but how could it possibly be more against the Jews? What kind of PR is it to admit that you commited genocide?

The lack of modern Caananites merely proves the truthfulness of the account.


It dosent matter what i say,you seem to think the jews have a divine right to the land no matter what,numerous different tribes and nations conquered and ruled the land,and im sure they all have left some ancestry behind.

"What kind of PR is it to admit is it to admit that you commited genocide"
Well the world knows about the holocaust of the Jews !
scooby-doo cv
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jan, 2008 10:09 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;50530 wrote:
You either side with us, Scoob, or watch your world go up in flames (between rainstorms, of course). Terrorist Islam is going to force you to choose; it already is, and you know it. Your warm, cushy, make-believe 'safe-place', called atheistic socialism, will fold like the house of cards it is in the face of Jihad. It doesn't stand a chance.


This isnt about Radical Islam pino,its about the causes,and one of the amin causes was the creation of the State of Israel against the majority of the peoples wishes,we have been going back in history talkning about the original owners of the land,who by the way weren't muslims,because islam is only 1400 years old,so back then it wasnt about the good jews fighting the bad muslims,it was about different tribes and peoples fighting for the land,a land that had many rulers Egyptian,Greeks,Roman,Jews,Persian and Arab.

IM SURE THEY ALL LEFT THEIR SEED ON THE LAND AND PEOPLES.
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