Iran Isreal and US

1. We were discussing sanctions against Israel. You stated the occupied lands were illegal. I did not pick the subject. So, yes, you picked and chose. What is debateable about who started that war? Arab armies were closing in on all sides. Were they all in a defense mode? I also asked where I might find any details on the sanctions against Israel. I find lots of request for sanctions by Palestinians, but no actual sanctions. I'm sure you'll be able to help.
2. I'm not familiar with comments made by the president suggesting that Iraq was responsible for 9-11. I know VP Cheney has suggested that terrorist would follow us home from Iraq and they likely would. Iraq has been a great place to battle Al Queda. Since the war began, many Al Queda went to Iraq for the honor of fighting Americans. Probably a big mistake on many of their parts. If America cuts and runs like we did in Viet Nam, there will be a blood bath of those who supported us (as there was in Nam) in the hope of a free nation and a new haven for terrorist.

The accusations of how the war began by Israel stepping up border attacks come from websites of Palestinian nature. What else would they say? Your last post is more accurate. Nasser did not want war although he had called for the destruction of Israel. He was surprised that Israel reacted with ultimate force to his blocking the Atrait of Tiran. For someone who did not want war, he packed the Sinai Pen. with troops. Begin was playing nice for the sake of detente' since peace had been accomplished between Egypt and Israel. A lesson the rest of the Arab world refuses to learn. Negotiation minus atrocity.

Oh my information comes from a website of palestinian nature,where does the US-Israel get its info from :beat:

Don't be offended that I found the evidence for your statement on a Palestinian web site after asking "ask.com" the question, "who started the six day war".
The evidence that I read was found at AOL.com.
After quipping, I'm asking you to please follow up with dialog on statements made.

The fact that Israel was attacked or counter attacked by 6 Arab nations who's battle cry was "Destroy Israel" justifies to me the taking of the properties won in battle. A battle cry that thirty two years later still resounds through Arabia. Israel, not fault free, but determined to survive, has the right to do what they can to exist. They have the support of the free world in their endeavor.

So, you approved of the Hussein regime?
Saudi Arabia, was an ally to all previous administrations as well.

Oh right.so it dosent matter who attacked who first now,israel is right and and the palestinians are wrong,even though they were the ones who lost their land,lets just create a new country in a land occupied by others.

Oh right.so it dosent matter who attacked who first now,israel is right and and the palestinians are wrong,even though they were the ones who lost their land,lets just create a new country in a land occupied by others.

Who owned the land now occupied by Israel is debateable. The Jews and Christians of the world believe it was the Jews. Or more importantly, it was the promised land. Promised by God. He seems to carry a lot of weight with those folks. War and decimation has been a method of obtaining property since the inception of the cave man. The Jews are the only ones who are so vehemently hated for being "given" land by the UN. The Palestinians who happen to be Arab could easily be absorbed into many Arab populations and go about getting jobs or creating businesses. Jews, don't have that option. They've lived among other populations and had some pretty bad experiences with it. Wouldn't you say?

1. I wouldn't call it an "assertion". More of a guess. Likely incorrect. But, Israel is a nation who Christians believe has the right to exist. Being resentful of attacks on her defenseless, guiltless citizens in lieu of negotiation. Supporting her right to return the favor of violence when violence is visited upon her.
2. The Jews have given a substantial portion of property back to the Palestinians. If they gave all of it back + 50k square miles, Palestinians would find another reason to kill them. They have been educated to kill. They would revolt against any Palestinian government that favored compromise.
3. Israel claims a desire for peace to accommodate their western support. They would prefer being left alone, but stand ready to react to any incursion.
4. The mid east will always be a trouble spot as they see no other reason for their own being.

1. The state of israel was born out of terrorism,the hagganah,irgun and stern gang were all terrorist groups,who included which included former Israeli Prime Ministers,Ariel Sharon,Yitzk Shamir,Monachem Begin and Yitzak Rabin,so Israel cant really take the high ground when it comes to terrorism.
2. You say that the jews gave back a substantial prtion of property back,thats very charitable of them,giving them their own land back,while building illegal settlements at the same time.
3. Part of the reason the middle-east is a trouble spot is western interference,they have a different culture and way of lfe which we in the west dont agree with,but its their way of life,the middle-east was carved up by the west after world war 1,then the new state of Israel is created on palestinian land against the wishes of the majority of the population who lived there.
4. Then we have the oil that the middle-east has in abundance and the west wants its greedy paws on,and has for decades backed dictators who suited them,but it dosent always work out that way,if the middle-east had no oil,the west wouldn't give a chit about them.

1. Though one can not deny that Jews partook in terrorism, the majority of that terrorism was aimed at British soldiers. But, terrorism is terrorism. Jewish terrorist when captured were hanged for their participation. Jewish prisons are full of terrorist who have not been hanged and are traded by the hundreds for individual Jews who are kidnapped. Israel did not come to fruition as a successful result of Jewish terrorism. A lesson lost on Arabs.
2. Not charitable, simply prudent in trying to maintain a healthy relationship with the west. They have nothing to hang their heads over. They won a war with six Arab nations. Spoils of war and all.
3. I may in part agree with your statement as to why the ME will remain a trouble spot concerning western interference. The greatest reason is their lack of concern for the welfare of their people. As you and I have discussed in another thread. The powers that be in Arab states live high on the hog and give a twit about the future of their people as they refuse to offer education or support individualism. Daily life being a matter of not breaking any rule that would offend any male.
Israel was created against the objections of the neighbors and inhabitants.
Perhaps some insight to the wisdom of giving any decisive powers to the U.N..
4. True, without the oil "purchased" from the mid east, life in the ME would be beautiful. Let's not take into consideration the trillions paid to Arab entities who ignore fellow Arabs and allow them to live in stone and straw huts. development of water and food sources being the last thing on their minds.
That most certainly must be the fault of "greedy westerners" who "purchase" a product provided by "OPEC" an Arab entity.

Israel is the only civilized society in the Middle East. It's Western, and must be defended by the Greater West, at all costs. Islam is irreconcilable with Western Civilization. Judaism has been a part of it since the beginning.

1. Though one can not deny that Jews partook in terrorism, the majority of that terrorism was aimed at British soldiers. But, terrorism is terrorism. Jewish terrorist when captured were hanged for their participation. Jewish prisons are full of terrorist who have not been hanged and are traded by the hundreds for individual Jews who are kidnapped. Israel did not come to fruition as a successful result of Jewish terrorism. A lesson lost on Arabs.
2. Not charitable, simply prudent in trying to maintain a healthy relationship with the west. They have nothing to hang their heads over. They won a war with six Arab nations. Spoils of war and all.
3. I may in part agree with your statement as to why the ME will remain a trouble spot concerning western interference. The greatest reason is their lack of concern for the welfare of their people. As you and I have discussed in another thread. The powers that be in Arab states live high on the hog and give a twit about the future of their people as they refuse to offer education or support individualism. Daily life being a matter of not breaking any rule that would offend any male.
Israel was created against the objections of the neighbors and inhabitants.
Perhaps some insight to the wisdom of giving any decisive powers to the U.N..
4. True, without the oil "purchased" from the mid east, life in the ME would be beautiful. Let's not take into consideration the trillions paid to Arab entities who ignore fellow Arabs and allow them to live in stone and straw huts. development of water and food sources being the last thing on their minds.
That most certainly must be the fault of "greedy westerners" who "purchase" a product provided by "OPEC" an Arab entity.