Iran Isreal and US

there are some Americans who believe that Iran is on an agenda to destroy both Isreal and the United States.

#1 Why should America (the country, not Americans) care what happens to Isreal?

it seems to me like Isreal's relationship with America is like a tumor to a cancer patient. Using our resources to promote it's own growth while spreading malignancy throughout the midle eastern world, and causing hate and discontent among people who can claim we are playing "favorites".

Isreal is very capable of defending itself, they are fierce warriors and have not lost a war yet. They have powerful, well designed weapons and a highly motivated well trained army as well as a nuclear arsenal.


#2 how can Iran destroy us?

first they have to build and test their nuclear weapons, then they have to design a delivery system that is able to penetrate our defenses.

as soon as a nuclear test is performed, the game is over for them, they have no more secrets and will be under our close scrutiny as well as in the sights of our rifles, missles, tanks and satellites.

how do they overcome us? how is iran any more of a threat to our country as a horsefly is to any one of us?

The truth is, if israel was an Islamic nation, america wouldn't give a **** about Israel, but because they are Jewish and thus the foundation of christanity the United states as a christian majority nation feels the need to protect them. Israel would have been wiped off the map long ago if not for American intervention, although we did not directly stop the Muslim armies, we gave huge amounts of vital money, weapons, supplies, and training to the Israeli's.

at the current time Israel does not need our protection or pity. And Yes america's aid to Israel is "favorism" by any standard.The only places The United States is oblighed to protect is Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, and Guam as they are all "officially" under US protection.

Israel has always kicked Muslim ass, hard and flat. Review your history, Buff.:no:

that's true, although isreal did have a "draw" once....but israel would've lost the war of 1948 if not for US aid!

Doubt it. In fact I've read otherwise, but can't remember the details. So much reading........so little time to remember.

Here is your "draw" as i mentioned before:




The 1973?74 War (The Yom Kippur War)

"During 1973 the Arab states, believing that their complaints against Israel were going unheeded (despite the mounting use by the Arabs of threats to cut off oil supplies in an attempt to soften the pro-Israel stance of the United States), quietly prepared for war, led by Egypt's President Anwar Sadat. On Oct. 6, 1973, the Jewish holy day Yom Kippur, a two-pronged assault on Israel was launched. Egyptian forces struck eastward across the Suez Canal and pushed the Israelis back, while the Syrians advanced from the north. Iraqi forces joined the war and, in addition, Syria received some support from Jordan, Libya, and the smaller Arab states. The attacks caught Israel off guard, and it was several days before the country was fully mobilized; Israel then forced the Syrians and Egyptians back and, in the last hours of the war, established a salient on the west bank of the Suez Canal, but these advances were achieved at a high cost in soldiers and equipment.
Through U.S. and Soviet diplomatic pressures and the efforts of the United Nations, a tenuous cease-fire was implemented by Oct. 25."

-http://www.answers.com/topic/arab-israeli-wars

With time and US dollars, bombs and bullets, the Israelis would have decisively won.

Israel, for people not religiously attached to Jews is important to the U.S. due to the fact that they represent the best in Democracy in the mid east. For those with religious attachments, the explanation is clear. They see Jews as God's people and that is enough for them.
Arabs make the decision of who to support easy. They govern under Sharia Law. to anyone of the west, that is an absurd way to rule people. Democracy in Israel has created a nation of comfortable people. Sharia Law in Arab states has created nations of disgustingly rich among disgustingly impoverished people where it is illegal for a young lady to be alone in an enclosure with a man she is not married to or related to. If that woman is raped, she is sentenced to 6 mo. in prison and 200 lashes with a whip. Make sense of that as you decide which nations are worthy of U.S. support.

or consider that we don't have to support any nation...

I will consider that, "you" may oppose supporting "any" nation.

But global interest seems to matter to Americans.

Support of Israel seems to be an accepted action by the U.S. government.

Absence of protest and such negative activities. If we must support any nation, I would prefer at least they be proactive toward their own people rather than hostile, overbearing rule which appears to be all Arab states offer their masses.

1. please do not put words in my mouth. I said we (americans) don't have to support any nation, which is not the same as me supporting no nation!

2. apparently.

3. Does that make it right?

4. I don't believe you have enough knowledge of all arab and middleastern culture and history to make such a gross generalization.

5. Also our support for Israel has aforded us no benefits while drawing the negative attention from muslim extremist groups. What reason is there to support Israel when they are perfectly capable of supporting themselves?

Also our support for Israel has aforded us no benefits

while drawing the negative attention from muslim extremist groups.

What reason is there to support Israel

when they are perfectly capable of supporting themselves?

Israel, for people not religiously attached to Jews is important to the U.S. due to the fact that they represent the best in Democracy in the mid east. For those with religious attachments, the explanation is clear. They see Jews as God's people and that is enough for them.
Arabs make the decision of who to support easy. They govern under Sharia Law. to anyone of the west, that is an absurd way to rule people. Democracy in Israel has created a nation of comfortable people. Sharia Law in Arab states has created nations of disgustingly rich among disgustingly impoverished people where it is illegal for a young lady to be alone in an enclosure with a man she is not married to or related to. If that woman is raped, she is sentenced to 6 mo. in prison and 200 lashes with a whip. Make sense of that as you decide which nations are worthy of U.S. support.

How else would we get rid of our old ordinance? Maybe you would prefer us to attack another country?

OH God forbid we offend the extremists. They might do some extreme stuff. Better yet why do they never threaten us with reason?Maybe because they are a reasonable people.

If that's the case, the US can support itself, why then do you worry what other country's think of us?

World opinion means nothing to you right?

1. I'm sorry, I thought you to be putting words in the mouth of the American people. As I have stated, the majority of America "seems" to approve of U.S. support of the Jews.
2. agreed.
3. If you believe that the will of the American people is justification, then "yes", It is right. I do.
4. Are you familiar with "Sharia Law"?
5. Support of a righteous people is it's own benefit.
Negative attention from Muslim or any other extremist organization should be met with overwhelming force by ourselves and our allies together.

The US invaded iraq,which was a secular state,they had women dotors,lawyers,teachers etc,they also had a christian deputy prime minister,the example you give above sounds more like saudi arabia,which is a close ally of the US and the Bush government.