1
   

A Question To American citizens Only (from a Muslim u would call a moderate)

 
 
Volunteer
 
  1  
Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2007 11:19 am
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;29144 wrote:
Never had the pleasure to meet Volly but I am certain he has a kind heart.


Thanks Socal, back at ya.
0 Replies
 
aaronssongs
 
  1  
Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2007 11:20 am
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;29144 wrote:
Never had the pleasure to meet Volly but I am certain he has a kind heart.


Of course...it's self-evident...couldn't you tell? I was feeling the same thing.
0 Replies
 
aaronssongs
 
  1  
Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2007 11:52 am
@politically-wrong,
In one of my favorite books, "Winning through Enlightenment", Dr. Ron Smothermon, writes in his chapter, "About God", "Either God is everything or there is no God. If God is, God is. If God isn't, God isn't. Your beliefs do not determine what is and isn't. God is not what you thought God was. God is what God is. If God is God, then she is all powerful. If she is all powerful then all there is, is God. Otherwise there is no God. If one iota of power or matter that exists in the universe which is not God, then she is not God, and there is no God. Obviously, the existence of God doesn't depend on what you believe about it. Who cares what you believe? So, don't elevate your belief on the matter to the status of relevance.
God is the power in the universe to be and to observe being. That's it. All things and circumstances are generated out of this condition. Obviously there is "being" and "observation of being"; simple being and observation shows that by direct observation. Therefore God is. Or isn't. It's irrelevant, since what is, is, regardless of your position. Obviously there are some concrete examples of being and observation of being around here. You are both. Don't get stuck in being proud about that. It is just what is.
But if you are a manifestation and embodiment of God, how can yo be as you are? Well, you are and if you are interested in "how", tune into the way your mind functions. Evidently God isn't interested in placing relevance on "morality".
It appears that God doesn't make "moral judgements" except through the mind.God is the power in the universe and included in the universe is "evil".
If God is not the source of all things, then God is not God. So accept it. God is the source of evil. If God is not the source of all things, then God is not God. Therefore, God is the source of all "evil" as well as all "good". To get this you will have to become unstuck from your mind which is stuck in judgements and polarities about "good" and "evil" motivated by survival.
The mind cannot observe. It can only be and "you" can observe it and record "with it". An unobserved mind creates what we call "evil". The root of all evil is the mind's righteous condemnation of others and withholding your love from them. If you would like to clean up "evil"in the world, simply be the observer of your mind and be responsible and be willing to acknowledge the scope of your own evil. When you are thus enlightened (responsible) the world begins to look more enlightened and responsible to you. In fact, the world is in the process of becoming conscious, responsible, and enlightened, and the experience of that is a gift I want to give you"


I'm almost sure there is a contingency that will overwhelmingly reject this philosophy, however it resonates with me...either one has a small and limited view of God, or one acknowledges that God, the mystery of God, and his unlimited context is too vast for the human mind to comprehend, especially in frail human terms...I don't know about you, but I'd rather believe that God is bigger than I can conceive. Hello, somebody.
RedOct
 
  1  
Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2007 01:08 pm
@politically-wrong,
Hiiiii
Pinochet73
 
  1  
Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2007 01:52 pm
@politically-wrong,
Red, we were attacked on 911. That explains our focus on the WOT.
0 Replies
 
aaronssongs
 
  1  
Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2007 03:39 pm
@RedOct,
RedOct;29154 wrote:
Volunteer: What I wrote, I did with as much you and other commoners (versus the sovereign) in America in mind. It's unfortunate that you fail to grasp it. Here's what's been happening in the world since 9/11.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. RUSSIA

"During the Cold War, the United States and the Soviet Union embarked on the most massive military buildups in history. Part of President Reagan's strategy for winning was to entice the Soviets into a competition it could never even hope to win. A communist economy by its very nature is ill-equipped to compete with a free-market, capitalist system whether its foreign trade or weapons technology.

While Americans believe that the only problem facing the US is terrorism, one Russian leader, General Nikolai Solovtsov, commander of the Russia's missile forces, has mobilized a brand new Topol-M missile battalion, each having a one megaton warhead. One megaton is over 35 times the power of both US bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the end of World War II. The Russian general claims his missile system is able to penetrate any missile defense system. He boasts that the Russian missiles are unaffected by electromagnetic blasts used by current US anti-missile systems.

With the Russians now enjoying a certain amount of prosperity thanks to its new oil wealth (Russia is world's second largest net energy exporter), their nuclear missile program reemerged. Just last month an almost $2 billion increase from the Kremlin was earmarked for the military and Mr. Putin's popularity also increased as a result. Equally disturbing is that one of the larger states from the old USSR, the Ukraine (Orange de-Revolution) asked to come back under the former Soviet military shield and they expect to be protected by the Topol-M stationed in the Volga River." -- From Alex Jones' Infowars.com :: There is a War on for Your Mind!.

Gates isn't saying "one Cold War is enough" for nothing.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2. CHINA

A spokesman for the National People's Congress announced this month that China will boost its defense spending by 17.8%, bringing total spending to US$44.94 billion for fiscal 2007. While the real spending figure is in dispute, because of inadequate accounting measures and intentional obfuscation, US military experts agree that China's double-digit increases over the past decade support the likelihood of a future arms race between great powers.

China's defense industry has developed in large part thanks to the country's space program. With regards to military technology, space programs go beyond simple aeronautics and computer-simulation models. They enable countries to develop wind-tunnel and jet-propulsion test facilities that are crucial to weapons development, including destroyers, other ships, and fighter aircraft.

China has sent men into orbit and launched dozens of satellites, but its test of a satellite-killing weapon is shaking up perceptions about where the Chinese space program is headed. That made China only the third country after Russia and the US to shoot down anything in space.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3. SYRIA

The Syrian army has strengthened its capabilities in a way unprecedented in recent memory. Damascus is also close to signing a large deal with Russia to buy thousands of advanced anti-tank missiles.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4. VENEZUELA

The Bush Administration has grown increasingly alarmed at a series of weapons purchases by the Venezuelan government, which is in the process of buying new warships and as many as 50 Russian attack helicopters, defence officials told reporters on condition of anonymity. Venezuela is also discussing the purchase of 30 MiG-29 fighter jets.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Finally, someone who expresses the truth vs. fear mongering and propaganda. RedOct, thanks for being courageous. Of course, it won't be "well-received".
socalgolfguy
 
  1  
Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2007 04:14 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;29180 wrote:
Finally, someone who expresses the truth vs. fear mongering and propaganda. RedOct, thanks for being courageous. Of course, it won't be "well-received".


Irrefutable truth is always well received.
aaronssongs
 
  1  
Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2007 04:19 pm
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;29186 wrote:
Irrefutable truth is always well received.


Wait!
RedOct
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2007 12:12 pm
@socalgolfguy,
I leave you with two mutually twined thoughts: (1) V for Vendetta (2005), and (2) I'm the future.

When does a dream become a nightmare?
When do we do what must be done?
When do we stand and face the future?
When there is nowhere left to run?

And you've got to learn
Just how to survive
You've got to learn
How to keep your dream alive

Take a look at my face
I am the future
How do you like what you see?
Take a look at my face
I belong to the future
And you belong to me

It's all mine
Just take a look at my face
I'm the future, no disgrace
Take a look at my face
This world belongs to...to me
aaronssongs
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2007 12:20 pm
@RedOct,
RedOct;29251 wrote:
I leave you with two mutually twined thoughts: (1) V for Vendetta (2005), and (2) I'm the future.

When does a dream become a nightmare?
When do we do what must be done?
When do we stand and face the future?
When there is nowhere left to run?

And you've got to learn
Just how to survive
You've got to learn
How to keep your dream alive

Take a look at my face
I am the future
How do you like what you see?
Take a look at my face
I belong to the future
And you belong to me

It's all mine
Just take a look at my face
I'm the future, no disgrace
Take a look at my face
This world belongs to...to me


Gorgeous! Is it yours?
0 Replies
 
RedOct
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2007 12:45 pm
@politically-wrong,
No, it's not mine. It's one of those good but album-less made-for-movie songs. Here're a couple others:

What Friends Are For by Rod Stewart for Night Shift (1982)
Something New In My Life by Stephen Bishop for Micki & Maude (1984)

I guess i wanted something new in my life
a new key to fit a new door
to wake and see a different view in my life
the one i've been waiting for

Dreams like everyone i've had a few in my life
who knew that this one would come true in my lfe
i knew the moment when you touched me
you touched me

You're like a sudden breeze that blew in my life
a new face, a new smile, new song
and now i know i wanted you in my life all along

I guess, i must have saved an empty place in my heart
for you to come and fill this space in my heart
that long before i said i loved you
i love you

Whatever happens this is true in my life
when all the springs have come and gone
whatever dance i made or do in my life
whatever else that i may do in my life
you'll always be something new in my life
from now on

I know there always will be you in my life
from now on...
aaronssongs
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2007 01:52 pm
@RedOct,
RedOct;29253 wrote:
No, it's not mine. It's one of those good but album-less made-for-movie songs. Here're a couple others:

What Friends Are For by Rod Stewart for Night Shift (1982)
Something New In My Life by Stephen Bishop for Micki & Maude (1984)

I guess i wanted something new in my life
a new key to fit a new door
to wake and see a different view in my life
the one i've been waiting for

Dreams like everyone i've had a few in my life
who knew that this one would come true in my lfe
i knew the moment when you touched me
you touched me

You're like a sudden breeze that blew in my life
a new face, a new smile, new song
and now i know i wanted you in my life all along

I guess, i must have saved an empty place in my heart
for you to come and fill this space in my heart
that long before i said i loved you
i love you

Whatever happens this is true in my life
when all the springs have come and gone
whatever dance i made or do in my life
whatever else that i may do in my life
you'll always be something new in my life
from now on

I know there always will be you in my life
from now on...


I'm a big fan of Stephen Bishop
0 Replies
 
Volunteer
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2007 04:07 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;29151 wrote:
In one of my favorite books, "Winning through Enlightenment", Dr. Ron Smothermon, writes in his chapter, "About God", "Either God is everything or there is no God. If God is, God is. If God isn't, God isn't. Your beliefs do not determine what is and isn't. God is not what you thought God was. God is what God is. If God is God, then she is all powerful. If she is all powerful then all there is, is God. Otherwise there is no God. If one iota of power or matter that exists in the universe which is not God, then she is not God, and there is no God. Obviously, the existence of God doesn't depend on what you believe about it. Who cares what you believe? So, don't elevate your belief on the matter to the status of relevance.
God is the power in the universe to be and to observe being. That's it. All things and circumstances are generated out of this condition. Obviously there is "being" and "observation of being"; simple being and observation shows that by direct observation. Therefore God is. Or isn't. It's irrelevant, since what is, is, regardless of your position. Obviously there are some concrete examples of being and observation of being around here. You are both. Don't get stuck in being proud about that. It is just what is.
But if you are a manifestation and embodiment of God, how can yo be as you are? Well, you are and if you are interested in "how", tune into the way your mind functions. Evidently God isn't interested in placing relevance on "morality".
It appears that God doesn't make "moral judgements" except through the mind.God is the power in the universe and included in the universe is "evil".
If God is not the source of all things, then God is not God. So accept it. God is the source of evil. If God is not the source of all things, then God is not God. Therefore, God is the source of all "evil" as well as all "good". To get this you will have to become unstuck from your mind which is stuck in judgements and polarities about "good" and "evil" motivated by survival.
The mind cannot observe. It can only be and "you" can observe it and record "with it". An unobserved mind creates what we call "evil". The root of all evil is the mind's righteous condemnation of others and withholding your love from them. If you would like to clean up "evil"in the world, simply be the observer of your mind and be responsible and be willing to acknowledge the scope of your own evil. When you are thus enlightened (responsible) the world begins to look more enlightened and responsible to you. In fact, the world is in the process of becoming conscious, responsible, and enlightened, and the experience of that is a gift I want to give you"


I'm almost sure there is a contingency that will overwhelmingly reject this philosophy, however it resonates with me...either one has a small and limited view of God, or one acknowledges that God, the mystery of God, and his unlimited context is too vast for the human mind to comprehend, especially in frail human terms...I don't know about you, but I'd rather believe that God is bigger than I can conceive. Hello, somebody.


Circular logic. The mental picture of a snake eating its own tail comes to mind.

If you reject God's Word be cause it is inconvenient, you can create any fantasy you or your gurus wish.
Volunteer
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2007 04:13 pm
@RedOct,
RedOct;29154 wrote:
Volunteer: What I wrote, I did with as much you and other commoners (versus the sovereign) in America in mind. It's unfortunate that you fail to grasp it. Here's what's been happening in the world since 9/11.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. RUSSIA

"During the Cold War, the United States and the Soviet Union embarked on the most massive military buildups in history. Part of President Reagan's strategy for winning was to entice the Soviets into a competition it could never even hope to win. A communist economy by its very nature is ill-equipped to compete with a free-market, capitalist system whether its foreign trade or weapons technology.

While Americans believe that the only problem facing the US is terrorism, one Russian leader, General Nikolai Solovtsov, commander of the Russia's missile forces, has mobilized a brand new Topol-M missile battalion, each having a one megaton warhead. One megaton is over 35 times the power of both US bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the end of World War II. The Russian general claims his missile system is able to penetrate any missile defense system. He boasts that the Russian missiles are unaffected by electromagnetic blasts used by current US anti-missile systems.

With the Russians now enjoying a certain amount of prosperity thanks to its new oil wealth (Russia is world's second largest net energy exporter), their nuclear missile program reemerged. Just last month an almost $2 billion increase from the Kremlin was earmarked for the military and Mr. Putin's popularity also increased as a result. Equally disturbing is that one of the larger states from the old USSR, the Ukraine (Orange de-Revolution) asked to come back under the former Soviet military shield and they expect to be protected by the Topol-M stationed in the Volga River." -- From Alex Jones' Infowars.com :: There is a War on for Your Mind!.

Gates isn't saying "one Cold War is enough" for nothing.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2. CHINA

A spokesman for the National People's Congress announced this month that China will boost its defense spending by 17.8%, bringing total spending to US$44.94 billion for fiscal 2007. While the real spending figure is in dispute, because of inadequate accounting measures and intentional obfuscation, US military experts agree that China's double-digit increases over the past decade support the likelihood of a future arms race between great powers.

China's defense industry has developed in large part thanks to the country's space program. With regards to military technology, space programs go beyond simple aeronautics and computer-simulation models. They enable countries to develop wind-tunnel and jet-propulsion test facilities that are crucial to weapons development, including destroyers, other ships, and fighter aircraft.

China has sent men into orbit and launched dozens of satellites, but its test of a satellite-killing weapon is shaking up perceptions about where the Chinese space program is headed. That made China only the third country after Russia and the US to shoot down anything in space.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3. SYRIA

The Syrian army has strengthened its capabilities in a way unprecedented in recent memory. Damascus is also close to signing a large deal with Russia to buy thousands of advanced anti-tank missiles.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4. VENEZUELA

The Bush Administration has grown increasingly alarmed at a series of weapons purchases by the Venezuelan government, which is in the process of buying new warships and as many as 50 Russian attack helicopters, defence officials told reporters on condition of anonymity. Venezuela is also discussing the purchase of 30 MiG-29 fighter jets.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I work in Defense and have for the last 28 years. As you probably have guessed, I am what the liberals like to call a cold warrior.

I know what is happening in more depth and breadth than you've quoted above. Half of what you report above is obfuscation, the other half only tells one fifth of the story. Get with it and do some more research.
aaronssongs
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2007 04:35 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;29268 wrote:
Circular logic. The mental picture of a snake eating its own tail comes to mind.

If you reject God's Word be cause it is inconvenient, you can create any fantasy you or your gurus wish.


Gobbledygook

God gave each and every one of us a brain...the difference between you and I, is that I choose utilize the reasoning power and the accumulated common sense associated with said brain.
And who said that I have rejected anything? I just don't share your infinitesimally narrow view of the Bible and God...don't assume, ask.
0 Replies
 
aaronssongs
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2007 04:40 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;29269 wrote:
I work in Defense and have for the last 28 years. As you probably have guessed, I am what the liberals like to call a cold warrior.

I know what is happening in more depth and breadth than you've quoted above. Half of what you report above is obfuscation, the other half only tells one fifth of the story. Get with it and do some more research.


I have other things to call you instead of "cold warrior"...but that being said, since you have posted prior nonsense, why should we believe anything you might say in support of your argument and positions? If you worked in Defense, couldn't have been anything more meaningful than a lowly mail room clerk. Now could it?
Volunteer
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2007 05:07 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;29271 wrote:
I have other things to call you instead of "cold warrior"...but that being said, since you have posted prior nonsense, why should we believe anything you might say in support of your argument and positions? If you worked in Defense, couldn't have been anything more meaningful than a lowly mail room clerk. Now could it?


As I said on other posts. You don't have to believe what I say. The truth is the truth whether you believe it or not.

Your post shows how much you know about the department. It's corporate culture is up or out.
Pinochet73
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2007 06:32 pm
@politically-wrong,
Objective truth is what we must believe in as Christians.
0 Replies
 
aaronssongs
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2007 06:56 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;29272 wrote:
As I said on other posts. You don't have to believe what I say. The truth is the truth whether you believe it or not.

Your post shows how much you know about the department. It's corporate culture is up or out.


One word: Pffffft!
Pinochet73
 
  1  
Reply Sun 5 Aug, 2007 07:05 pm
@politically-wrong,
I'll do ya one better: BUMP DAT. Jus play'n, Playa. Jus play'n.
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

Obama '08? - Discussion by sozobe
Let's get rid of the Electoral College - Discussion by Robert Gentel
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
Food Stamp Turkeys - Discussion by H2O MAN
The 2008 Democrat Convention - Discussion by Lash
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Snowdon is a dummy - Discussion by cicerone imposter
TEA PARTY TO AMERICA: NOW WHAT?! - Discussion by farmerman
 
Copyright © 2025 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.03 seconds on 01/10/2025 at 04:09:41