A Question To American citizens Only (from a Muslim u would call a moderate)

every person, save for the political figures and associations, on my friends list is an actual friend from my real life. Because of the military some of them have scattered to the four corners but they're still friends and keep in touch.

I have spoken to Muslims, infact I once worked with a couple of them thank you

And that qualifies you to speak on their behalf? Don't make me laugh any harder.
Were some your friends privy to your ideology, as displayed on this site, you might have "fewer" "friends".
And some here, are questioning how I know you're a white man....why don't you tell them, Cam...how would I know?

Don't assume i'm missing the point just because i disagree with you. I understand your point entirely.
Nope, your wrong. In a free market, change happens daily. The market raises and falls by the minute.So if i can justify enough an offence i perceive to be, i would be allowed to kill for the justification? That's what your saying? We need to recognise that it is our fault for getting attacked, is that what you are saying? They can attack us because if this guilt and we should let them? Isreal would never do such a thing unless provoked. It would be foolish to believe that.
I'm sure we will, as i said. These are not reasonable people. They intensionally kill innocents.So you condone the use of human bombs against innocent civilians? Do you approve of terrorist organizations running the government? No, i would say it's not in your interest that i support them. Unfortunately yuo don't decide for me.

The Muslim world can't blame all its problems on Israel, Palestine and the US. It has to also look within itself and do some serious 'soul-searching' and internal problem solving. For starters, what will it take for Shias and Sunnis to stop killing each other? And whose fault is that?

Riddle me this Batman, why are your countrymen killing and enslaving Christians in Sudan by the thousands and millions? What is their aim?

While you're at it, how about explaining why Sudanese Arab Islamists are killing Sudanese Black Islamic people.

1- if u understand my point entirely as u said , and u disagree with it, tell me why its wrong, dont divert the centre of discussion away from it to other things u feel we disagree upon.
2- again when i said u r depending on the regimes staying for ever u say NO , which means that the point u stated in ur earlier post (about arab regimes fearing US reputation(of invading misbehaving regimes and so they sell the oil to u) can not be true because if u expect regime changes.
3- the point discussing the unfortunate (i wish i knew a stronger word to describe this) loss of over 3000 people has been answered by questions, i never said that it was justified because the attackers felt so , and about america recognizing its their fault, now that u mention it america shouldnot complain when their foreign policy backfires and Israel gains, i still think nothing could have justified WTC attacks but american thinktanks should have known and expected this kind of response, and they did!! .
4- u say Israel would never invade any of the countries i mentioned unless provoked by them , OK that makes since, what i dont understand is WHAT THE HELL WILL THEY DO TO HELP AMERICA IF KING FAISAL JUNIOR CRAZY TAKES OVER KSA TOMORROW AND SAY'S THAT SELLING OIL TO AMERICA IS FORBIDDEN IN ISLAM BECAUSE THEY HELP ISRAEL ????????????????
5- I donot approve of using bombs against innocent civilians, but what is the definition for innocent civilians? , AND i donot condone terrorist organizations running governments but still what is the definition for terrorist organizations?(am starting to sound like Bill Clinton right? loolz)
6- ya sure i donot decide for u , but neither do u, its logic that decides

That's interesting...but I still would consider your opinion on the matter(s), "colored" by your positions and your ideology....and, therefore "subjective", and hardly, "objective".
What qualifies me, is that I am a "news junkie", and have friends and acquaintances who happen to be Muslim.

Well, perhaps you can tell your pit bulls, to calm down, and stop asking me stupid questions,(either I have done my research and know something of the reference I have made or alluded to, or have an "unqualified opinion" based on reason)....and word to the wise...if I am no longer responding to your posts, it's because I've concluded that you are either hopelessly deluded, mentally deficient ( and therefore "incapable" of carrying on an intelligent discussion), or really not worth the effort of my keystrokes, or the sweat off my behind....however, if I am responding to your posts, it's because I continue to harbor hope that although we may have differences, we can, at the very least, express our positions, honestly and respectfully. I don't attack unless attacked first.

hey hey hey, who said i blame all my problems on Israel? , no i dont , Israel isnot responsible for the theft of my shoes when i went into the mosque last friday, was it? , seriously though we truly do need to do some soul searching as u said, but then again thats another thread.

ohhhhhhhh, how shall i answer what shall i say, looooolz , next time u accuse me (or my country) of something please dont use international headlines coz i can simply deny them, u say (my country men) and (christians in Sudan) as if they are not citizens well surprise they r , and about slavery thats a really big accusation am not gonna take ur word for it, show me evidence , not conclusive just evidence, the biggest misconception is when u think that the war (which ended by the way) in the south was between christians and muslims , the biggest two parties of Sudan (muslim background naturally) had co-ordinated their fights against Sudan governments armies during the ninties with the southern liberation movement army (the one u think is christian but was actually consisting of a majority of christians plus muslims and tribals) , if it was a war of christians against muslims, why would these two parties work with (the christians) against their own brothers (or muslims)? , simply because it was a war between a dictatorship (todays government) and the rest of the country, earlier when the parties helping the southern movemnet were the one's in government their was war their too, but no one ever said it was christians against muslims why? , because it truly wasnot.
about arab muslims killing black muslims, man do u have to believe everything the media has to offer? , or do u simply choose to believe them when it suits u? , if a criminal(who happened to be roman catholic christian just for example) in the US kills another citizen (who happens to be a protestant) does that mean the roman catholics started a holy war against protestants? well may be its just a case of a criminal mind at work? if this criminal made a gang and they became a group (like the italian mafia) does that make their attacks mass murder? , its the motive that always decides dont forget that, those criminals murdering others in darfur are nothing but what i just called them, criminals blessed with a weak government, that is very much responsible for whats happening as much as the criminals themselves, whats happening in darfur is due to poverty, lack of education, nigligence and disease, not holy wars, or racial war.

politically-wrong,
You'll have to excuse some of the folks up in here...they don't seem to be able to walk and chew gum, at the same time.
They would have you believe that America is responsible for nothing. That the actions of America, are, somehow, sacrosanct and "above reproach". Somehow our biased and racist foreign policies (or the lack of coherent ones) are supposed to have no repercussions, and that we can invade whomever, take whatever, do whatever, and the people that we're impacting, are suppose to just "take it", and not say anything...because after all, we're frigging America, and always right...never made any mistakes, ever.
Yeah, right...takes a licking, keeps on ticking.
Only madmen believe this to be true...rational, sane, civilized people can easily understand how our complex relationship with Israel, might upset the fragile balance, in a region where no one has the property deeds to ( as Whoopi Goldberg succinctly put it) exercise authority without challenge.
And our meddling, and that of the West, in Middle Eastern affairs, since post WWI, might have made a few people angry....I know if someone came in my house, and started moving furniture around, I'd be very angry.
Rational, and sane people would seek to be open and honest merchants and conduct business in a fair, ethical way, as opposed to swindling, and price gouging, and lying and cheating and stealing the way some big Western oil companies have done...because, as someone said, earlier, "it's all about the green"...truer words have never been spoken...it is all about the green, and greed, and power, and lust for power, and removing obstacles to power, and profits, and strategic location, and real estate....at any cost.
Presidents may smile...hold press conferences....joke, cajole, sometimes may even appear clever....but they are aware of the bottom line, as well. Tell the people what they want to hear...in fact, tell them anything...and if you tell it well (while providing distractions), they'll believe anything...and if you can get the press to cooperate...baby, it's a piece of cake...and to keep things going your way, and to keep that oil flowing, and them profits piling up...rig a few elections and voting machines...and presidents that have gone before made use of wiretapping...so use that too...anything...to achieve the desired result...even lie to your own people....kill your own people...stab your own comrades in the back...anything...anything...to achieve the desired result...perhaps you understand, now.....once you've sold your soul...anything goes.

aaron, come on now, you need to ditch that self-flagellation because you are a priviledged white guy garbage and tell the truth.

If it makes you feel uncomfortable for me to enlighten you to "the truth"...then I have done my job. And in the previous post (#53)...you have forgive me....I thought all that was in reference to the US government...silly me.

There's emphasis on the Islamists because that's where the Washington-based Zionist policy makers and policy influencers have placed their fingers since Carter's National Security Advisor, Brezinski, who is a Polish Zionist. Majority of the members of the PNAC are Zionists with close ties to Israel.

Short of that, I don't see it as America versus Islam thing. I see it as America versus freedom thing. For a democracy to exist, there has to exist a balance of power between people and their government. In the US, the government is too powerful. To prevent a flight of capital, they want the same control over the rest of the world. Venezuela, Russia, China, Iran, and so called Islamists are merely fighting to be free.

In the US, the government considers itself above the constitution and the law, and they want to do the same with the rest of the world, and increasingly, the world is fighting back to be free.