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A Question To American citizens Only (from a Muslim u would call a moderate)

 
 
Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 06:34 am
America gets shot at, planes crash into buildings , u r afraid the muslim guy next to u in the metro or behind u in a line at ur bank might just blow up into the air, so much has americans ( and not america ) suffered because of muslims targeting their country, tell me what do u think is the reason for this(strong will to terrorise), and what do u think their aim (specifically) is, what do they hope to accomplish (the terrorists) by attacking america?
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Curmudgeon
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 08:27 am
@politically-wrong,
The reasonings of Islamic Terrorists are difficult for Americans to understand.
Their reasons are rooted in the history of Islam of centuries past and their aim is to rule the world.
They strike out at America because she is the symbol of freedom and democracy for the world, thus they strike out just as terrorists have always done against the most powerful so that when they fail they may be perceived as martyrs to their followers, thus stirring up more fanaticism.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 12:30 pm
@politically-wrong,
Scared no, Hope i do the right thing when the time comes, Yes. XMus tactics are terror. Nothing to a person who will not be terrorized.
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 04:41 pm
@politically-wrong,
I SAY NUKE EM ALL LET ALLAH SORT IT OUT. I will even throw in an extra dozen virgins to the innocents. HAHAHAHHAHAHA KILL'EM ALL Great Metallica Albumn.

You ever wonder if it says anything about blowing up kids gets you virgins? Gimme the Koran, I want to find the chapter

**** ME chicken scratch I cant tell what ...... Thank you come again

My mind is randomn and Chaotic and sometimes I put it through KNOW filter can you tell... Filter. - Ghei NO i do not want to take your picture.
y are communists, otherwise they are people too
Son of a bitch I should have made my own thread for this, BUt I am going to be a communism (Ducks the anti communism stare thrown by PINOCHET) There is nothing wrong with communists besides they are communists, otherwise they are people too, which would you feel more comfortable around A Commie or a Rag Head? Hmmmmmmmm Good question.

Back to topic:
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 08:03 pm
@politically-wrong,
They hate our relationship with Israel, and the predominance of Jews in American thought, culture and politics. What they don't understand is that America will go up in nuclear flames before it abandons that relationship. What they also don't understand is that the alliance between the US and Israel is invincible. They can't win. No way. Sorry.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 08:05 pm
@rugonnacry,
rugonnacry;28230 wrote:
I SAY NUKE EM ALL LET ALLAH SORT IT OUT. I will even throw in an extra dozen virgins to the innocents. HAHAHAHHAHAHA KILL'EM ALL Great Metallica Albumn.

You ever wonder if it says anything about blowing up kids gets you virgins? Gimme the Koran, I want to find the chapter

**** ME chicken scratch I cant tell what ...... Thank you come again

My mind is randomn and Chaotic and sometimes I put it through KNOW filter can you tell... Filter. - Ghei NO i do not want to take your picture.
y are communists, otherwise they are people too
Son of a bitch I should have made my own thread for this, BUt I am going to be a communism (Ducks the anti communism stare thrown by PINOCHET) There is nothing wrong with communists besides they are communists, otherwise they are people too, which would you feel more comfortable around A Commie or a Rag Head? Hmmmmmmmm Good question.

Back to topic:
You must of found some purple stinky cush, LOL.
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rugonnacry
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 11:02 pm
@politically-wrong,
I dont drink, a beer or two a month, and once a week a bottle of whine with the little woman. THe last two nights the COO and Director of the Board insists I drink with him when he is in town... For fuk sake Thursday I was platered by 4 in the afternoon and we didnt finish untill 4am... I was at work at 7 and then we did it again that night.
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Truth Re-Minder
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2007 01:26 am
@politically-wrong,
I think its time a little truth cut through the typical rhetoric.

First anyone who lets racial and religous prejudices blind them from seeing the truth is a fool. This goes both for the 'fanatical' muslim who may see us as infidels and wish our destruction, and to the equally 'fanatical' conservative patriot who wishes for the destruction of Islam.

Anyone who lets labels, such as terrorist and infidel distract them, has failed. Failed to see the comman humanity in each other.

The truth is we are all acting as any human would when attacked. Then are blown away when the 'supposed' enemy strikes back. We also accuse each other of all sortes of things, in a vain attempt to skirt our own responsibility.

The truth is there is no enemy.
Truth Re-Minder
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2007 01:45 am
@politically-wrong,
politically-wrong;28069 wrote:
America gets shot at, planes crash into buildings , u r afraid the muslim guy next to u in the metro or behind u in a line at ur bank might just blow up into the air, so much has americans ( and not america ) suffered because of muslims targeting their country, tell me what do u think is the reason for this(strong will to terrorise), and what do u think their aim (specifically) is, what do they hope to accomplish (the terrorists) by attacking america?


But to answer your question friend, it is both simple and complex. The 'will to terrorize' is not the result of fannatical religous idealogy as the anti-muslim fear-mongers would have us believe, even though it may play some influence. The truth is far more tragic, so tragic indeed that most Americans cannot even fathom the hellish conditions many of these 'terrorists' have seen and lived in. Conditions btw, that America and the UN have had a very large part in causing.

As all attack is ultimately a cry for help, so is the attack of the terrorist. The weak minded must blame the cause of terrorism on Idealogy, because they are too weak to empathize with the terrorist, and expereince the deep pain beneath that idealogy a pain that we are responsable for causing. And those strong-minded American's who have empathized with these poor souls have been labelied all sorts things by the weak, traitor, liberal, etc. But again this is a distraction to keep the weak from accepting responsibility for the terror they have caused others. This obviouslly is no justification for violent reaction, but in fact is the fastest most peaceful way to end violent reactions, a way that is starting to work in Iraq today. Even though it was scorned by the right from the beginning.

The truth is we are all Terrorists to some degree, and support terrorism in some way. American and Isreali Terrorism is 10 to 100 times more descructive, but that is justified away, even though the result is the same. The insanity of western thinking particualrly the Toby Keith Cons or the pro Zionists, is so backwards, so out of touch with reality, that they cannot even see what they have done and what they have caused. They are quite literally Sociopathic.

I would say 911 was a wake up call for us. An opportunity to realize, acknowlege and change our foreign policy, both in the mid-east and hopefully the world over.

Now see what responses come from these words. They are all too predictable. Those who are attached to the false notion that America is right, or that Isreal is God's chosen land, will despise what I have said here, as the truth threatens there illsion of superiority and spiritual racism. (waves to Pino) To them I would say that you are just as bad as the Terrorists you hate, and that they are your karmic mirror. Breaking the mirror won't change what you see, but it is you that must change before the people and world you judge ever will. You are working against the very law Jesus taught. May all witness the hypocrasy of the Christian who supports war. How they pick and chose parts of the Bible to suite there veiws at the time. They are the original flip-floppers. Notice how they are always right, how they can never admit to there mistakes.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2007 06:40 am
@Truth Re-Minder,
:thumbdown: [QUOTE='Truth' Re-Minder;28272]I think its time a little truth cut through the typical rhetoric.

First anyone who lets racial and religous prejudices blind them from seeing the truth is a fool. This goes both for the 'fanatical' muslim who may see us as infidels and wish our destruction, and to the equally 'fanatical' conservative patriot who wishes for the destruction of Islam.

Anyone who lets labels, such as terrorist and infidel distract them, has failed. Failed to see the comman humanity in each other.

The truth is we are all acting as any human would when attacked. Then are blown away when the 'supposed' enemy strikes back. We also accuse each other of all sortes of things, in a vain attempt to skirt our own responsibility.

The truth is there is no enemy.[/QUOTE]

Your variety of 'truth' is cockeyed. Fighting Islam doesn't have a damned thing to do with racism. It's a war of ideas, culture and geo-politics. :thumbdown:
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2007 10:34 pm
@politically-wrong,
politically-wrong;28069 wrote:
America gets shot at, planes crash into buildings , u r afraid the muslim guy next to u in the metro or behind u in a line at ur bank might just blow up into the air, so much has americans ( and not america ) suffered because of muslims targeting their country, tell me what do u think is the reason for this(strong will to terrorise), and what do u think their aim (specifically) is, what do they hope to accomplish (the terrorists) by attacking america?


I think it's "payback", for all of the misdeeds and missteps the US has committed against the Islamic World, and it's blind support of Israel and its' "Zionism".
America has played "funny-bunny" with regimes (and regime change) from Chile to Vietnam to the Balkans to Iraq....and they, the government "lies" to its' own people that these manipulations and covert and clandestine operations are in our own "best interest"...when the truth of the matter is it's really plays for resources, profits, land, kickbacks, investments, strategic location, information, and the like.
From supporting the Shah, in Iran, to undermining the North Vietnam government while playing "chess" with Russia and China...our hands are not clean, ok...anyone thinking that they are, is naive or complicit.
My ex-bandmate was a Palestinian Christian (Catholic) born in Kuwait, raised in the US...and one of the most spiritual and godly persons I ever met...he told me the horror story of the Palestinians at the hands of the Israelis, firsthand....one need only to open ones' eyes to see the truth...I have. It's the reason I'm pro-Palestinian. I have Jewish friends, as well...so it's not bias, or prejudice...it's holding people accountable...and expecting, if not believing they will do the right thing. Unfortunately, It rarely happens.
politically-wrong
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 01:45 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;28249 wrote:
They hate our relationship with Israel, and the predominance of Jews in American thought, culture and politics. What they don't understand is that America will go up in nuclear flames before it abandons that relationship. What they also don't understand is that the alliance between the US and Israel is invincible. They can't win. No way. Sorry.


so every american is an extremist for zionisim and israel? , every american is ready to lay him down to not sleep but death for israel, ok just tell me whats so worthy? what do u get back from this? (as an american ) what makes it worth all the trouble america is going through? , give me the reasons , the interests , please be specific , ready made anwers are not welcome , and if u r going to say israel's existence helps america secure oil sources tell me how can israel do that?
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 08:59 am
@politically-wrong,
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so every american is an extremist for zionisim and israel?
I suppose like every muslim is an extremist, would you agree?
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every american is ready to lay him down to not sleep but death for israel,
Will you lay down for Muhammid?
Lots and lots of arms sales, we get ride of a good chunk of them.
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give me the reasons , the interests , please be specific ,
It's worth over thirty billion over the next ten years. Specifics are a search button away.
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ready made anwers are not welcome ,
So we shouldn't sell munitions, i thought to the victor goes the spoils?
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and if u r going to say israel's existence helps america secure oil sources tell me how can israel do that?
I would say that they help us secure oil interests, not sources.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 09:07 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;28276 wrote:
:thumbdown:

Your variety of 'truth' is cockeyed. Fighting Islam doesn't have a damned thing to do with racism. It's a war of ideas, culture and geo-politics. :thumbdown:


Why? It's "cockeyed", because "you" said so??? It made perfect sense to me.
It was rational, logical, and to the point. Of course fighting Islam has everything to do with racism. America is incapable of having a war of ideas or culture, and it's obsessed with geo-politics for various and sundry reasons.
How is it that throughout most of Christian denominations, Jesus Christ is portrayed as a "white", blue-eyed, man with "straight" brown hair???? If that isn't arrogance and racism, I don't know what is.
Have you ever seen a typical Jew from the Holy Land, ever meeting that description?? Now, a European Jew, after centuries of intermarriage and mingling with other ethnic groups, might fit those characteristics.
So let's put the kool aid down, and talk common sense and reality.
It has everything in the world to do with racism...why do you suppose you harbor such hate for "the other"? Some self-examination might be cleansing to the soul. Oops.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 09:10 am
@Truth Re-Minder,
[QUOTE='Truth' Re-Minder;28272]I think its time a little truth cut through the typical rhetoric.

First anyone who lets racial and religous prejudices blind them from seeing the truth is a fool. This goes both for the 'fanatical' muslim who may see us as infidels and wish our destruction, and to the equally 'fanatical' conservative patriot who wishes for the destruction of Islam.

Anyone who lets labels, such as terrorist and infidel distract them, has failed. Failed to see the comman humanity in each other.

The truth is we are all acting as any human would when attacked. Then are blown away when the 'supposed' enemy strikes back. We also accuse each other of all sortes of things, in a vain attempt to skirt our own responsibility.

The truth is there is no enemy.[/QUOTE]

Touche'! Well-said! So refreshing to see that there is someone with common sense and rationale, on these boards.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 09:20 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;28405 wrote:
I suppose like every muslim is an extremist, would you agree? Racist propaganda

Will you lay down for Muhammid? Uh, did you mean Muhammad (you should have stayed in school)
Lots and lots of arms sales, we get ride of a good chunk of them. (get "rid"?)


It's worth over thirty billion over the next ten years. Specifics are a search button away.So we shouldn't sell munitions, i thought to the victor goes the spoils? (Uh, could you explain the logic....selling munitions=spoils for the victor...victor? spoils? munitions? are you delirious?

I would say that they help us secure oil interests, not sources.

And how do they do that, pray tell?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 09:24 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;28412 wrote:
And how do they do that, pray tell?


No....not every Muslim is a terrorist, obviously. Nonetheless, a huge number of Muslims are, which means, we Americans, the number one target of Islamic terrorism, must be on-guard, always. Indeed, we must be vigilant even to the extent of demonstrating a healthy degree of paranoia. Better paranoid than dead or maimed.

GOD BLESS GEORGE BUSH AND DICK CHENEY!:headbang:
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 10:34 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;28415 wrote:
No....not every Muslim is a terrorist, obviously. Nonetheless, a huge number of Muslims are, which means, we Americans, the number one target of Islamic terrorism, must be on-guard, always. Indeed, we must be vigilant even to the extent of demonstrating a healthy degree of paranoia. Better paranoid than dead or maimed. rabid and delusional

GOD BLESS GEORGE BUSH AND DICK CHENEY!:headbang:

Evil incarnate
l
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 10:58 am
@politically-wrong,
YOur just blinding us with your mesmerizing speeches. You are allowed to type more then one or two words. But if that's all you can think of i guess, LOL.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2007 11:08 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;28461 wrote:
YOur just blinding us with your mesmerizing speeches. You are allowed to type more then one or two words. But if that's all you can think of i guess, LOL.


I'm succinct. You might want to pull out a dictionary, because I know you don't know what it means.
 

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