The "real" israel

Life is cheap to the Palestinian's,they have no official state of their own,they basically live in large concentration camps controlled by israel.

"A partial jewish state is not the end,but only the beginning.The establishment of such a jewish state will serve as a means in our historical effort to redeem the country in its entirety.We shall organise a modern defence force,and then i am certain that we will not be prevented from settling in other parts of the country,either by mutual agreement with our arab or by some other means.We will expel the arabs and then take their place,with the force at our disposal."

David ben Gurion 1937

Note the date ! the state of israel was created until 1948.

Sounds like ben gurion was planning ehtnic cleansing to me !

You're quoting someone who spoke in 1937. So what? The world has changed, that is almost a century ago. Do you have anything more current?

Is the accuracy of something dependent on it's age? Is E=Mc2 any less true now than it was in Einstein's day?

E=Mc2 does not equate to centuries-old reported comment, taken out of context, about political situations which have evolved unpredictably and unrecognisably. Things have moved on.

As opposed to...large stretches of desert, controlled by the British...

What is Israel's option? To allow free movement when Hamas is intent on violent action?

You're quoting someone who spoke in 1937. So what? The world has changed, that is almost a century ago. Do you have anything more current?

E=Mc2 does not equate to centuries-old reported comment, taken out of context, about political situations which have evolved unpredictably and unrecognisably. Things have moved on.

As someone pointed out, the comments predate the existence of Israel. How relevant are Winston Churchill's statements made in 1937, to UK foreign policy today?

It's like blaming JFK for Obama's current policy on ground of nationality.

You're quoting someone who spoke in 1937. So what? The world has changed, that is almost a century ago. Do you have anything more current?

The idea of Manifest Destiny is untouched by time.

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"When we ( followers of the prophetic judaism ) returned to Palestine... the majority of jewish people preferred to learn from hitler rather than from us."

Martin Buber 1958


"We will have to face the reality is neither innocent,nor redemptive. And that in its creation, and expansion; we as jews, have caused what we have suffered; a reefugee population in diaspora."

Martin Buber,jewish philospher,addressed Prime Minister Ben Gurion on the moral character of the State of Israel with reference to the arab refugees in march 1949

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"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our time is the emergence in the newly created State of Israel of the Freedon Party (Herut), a political party closely akin in its organisation,method,political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties."

Begin and Yitzak shamir who were members of the party became Prime Ministers. Albert Eintein, Hanna Arendl and other prominent jewish americans,writing in the New York Times, protest the visit to America of Menachen Begin, 1948.

"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the arabs of the territories."

Benjamin Netanyahu 1989

"Things have moved on"

Yes for the zionists they have,they control the occupied land's,the Golan heights and area's of the west bank,where 250,000 jewish settlers now live :thumbdown:

Are you a spammer, or there is no rule against double-posting:ban:

What would you have them do? If you had power what would you give them? Where would they live?

None of the posts of mine above are anti-semite,anti-zionist yes !

As leftist have described Zionism to me, Jews who want Israel to be a government in addition to being a religious organization. Odd they do not place the same limitations on any other group of people on earth.
Why would anyone deprive the right of a people to create a protective shell if they did not approve of the aggression against them?
Because they are liars. When Arabs declare their hatred of Jews, they don't mince words. Their intention is to kill all Jews.