Iran could strike the US by 2015

The terrorists who want to harm us will likely have their herd thinned once we leave the middle east and remove their reasons for wanting to harm us. Further, the the money we save by leaving, we might be able to salvage what is left of our country.

Actually, the second and third crusades were both launched against the Muslims during a time in which Islam and Christianity shared Jersusalem and other holy sites.

You scare me. You can't base foreign policy on a book only 1/6 of the world deem significant, especially considering "enemies" of the US subscribe to a book that another 1/6 of the global population. It just doesn't mesh.

Freeman15;42128 wrote:

Actually, the second and third crusades were both launched against the Muslims during a time in which Islam and Christianity shared Jersusalem and other holy sites.
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This is a bit off the topic but I thought I would interject here, so forgive me.

Those who use violence to achieve there goal under the banner of Christianity, are not Christians. True Christians, abhor violence; they live by Jesus' words, who said that those who live by the sword will die by the sword. True Christians do not seek to impose what they believe on others, but they preach the gospel/good news of the kingdom of God, and baptize those who believe.

It is hard for non believers to know who true Christians are, but here is one way. The Bible says, "by there fruit you will know them." In other words, if they are involved in or support violence in any form, or support those who do, then they are not true Christian. But if they love and do good to those who hate them, and those who hurt, and kill them, then they are the ones who are truly Christians.

And yet the Bible tells us that (IF POSSIBLE) live at peace with all men.
Also the commands from the Sermon on the mount were not commands given to be followed. Nice as they sound, there was another dynamic at work here, and it was a message for believers in the law.

Gotta call you on this one Freeman15.

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If the crusaders had actually read their bible, they would of understood it was Jews who would control Jerusalem not crusaders. Also, the crusades was a responce to the Moslems putting Christians to death because they would not convert to Islam. According to the Bible the Jews in the latter days would first take South Israel first, then they would take Jerusalem second. Also at the time of this even the nations of the east would would be able to field an army of 200 million men. I'm not even sure during the crusades if that part of the world even had 200 million men, let alone an army that size. It was not until 1960 when China first announced, and useing that very same number, stated that they now could field an army of 200 million men.

You don't want to "abandon the Jews" because your book says so.

Like I said, this is all because "the Jews" can't bring their messiah back because the Dome of the Rock sits on the site where they need to build their temple. This has been going on long before we were around.

You think "the terrorists" are out for us now? Just wait until Israel decides to take that structure out. You'll get your biblical prophecies fulfilled alright.

Umm... the crusades started because the Byzantines were scared of the big, bad Turks. Their main goal was to take the holy land from the Muslims, because only GOD WORSHIPING people should be able to enter :beat:

A quick search on the Pedia reveals this lil tidbit:

"The term is also used to describe contemporaneous and subsequent campaigns conducted through to the 16th century in territories outside the Levant, usually against pagans, those considered by the Catholic Church to be heretics, and peoples under the ban of excommunication for a mixture of religious, economic, and political reasons."

Again, Christians stealing power and property wherever they can. :no:

You do realize that the literal translation of the word crusade is "War of the Cross", right?

However, in the end we see just how well that power grab turned out for you guys.

Why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks...

And if one day a man comes along and somehow allows the rebuilding of the Temple. Will that make you think beyond your own self?

The crusaders were reacting to over four centuries of relentless Islamic Jihad, which had wiped out over 50% of all the Christians in the world and conquered over 60% of all the Christian lands on earth before the crusades even began. Christians finally responded to 400 years of Islamic evil. And that evil continues to this very day. It was the Islamics who did most of the killing and stealing to start with. Far from the crusaders being the aggressors, it was the Muslim armies which had spread Islam from Saudi Arabia across the whole of Christian North Africa into Spain and even France within the first century after the death of Muhammad. Muslim armies sacked and slaughtered their way across some of the greatest Christian cities in the world, including Alexandria, Carthage, Antioch, and Constantinople. The muslim invaders destroyed over 3,200 Christian churches just in the first 100 years of Islam.
Please don't come here trying to rewrite history.

Nope. Because for this to happen, the Dome and Al-Asqa must be destroyed. If you're going to do that, you might as well just nuke Jerusalem from orbit. It'll be much easier, but the result will be the same.

Like I said, you think *THEY* are pissed off at us now? Ho-lee-HELL.

And Christianity destroyed ten times as much across the world.

Don't come here trying to HIDE history.

I like this one line here:

"It was the Islamics who did most of the killing and stealing to start with."

I guess two wrongs make a right in your little world. No, that's right... it takes four. Killing... stealing... both no-no's in your book. Oh, but wait!!! The Pope decreed that killing, raping and stealing from the Muslims was okay because they weren't people of God.

That's right... there's plenty of evil behind that cross. About two thousand years of it.

That's right... there's plenty of evil behind that cross. About two thousand years of it.

Christians stopping Islamic murders, is not wrong.

Professor Thomas Maden in The Real History of the Crusades points out: "The Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression-an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands. Christians in the 11th Century were not paranoid fanatics. (Muslims really were gunning for them...) Islam was born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Muhammad, the means of Muslim expansion was always by the sword... Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth... The Christian world therefore was a prime target for the earliest Caliphs and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years... The crusades... were but a response to more than four centuries of conquest in which Muslim had already captured over two thirds of the Christian world.

Muslims that kill Christians for the sake of spreading their faith are the real evil ones. Christians did not respond for 400 years, and finally said enought is enought. You have to be demented to believe that after 400 years of Islamic agression, and their destruction of 3200 Christian churches, that the only evil you can point to, are Christians defending themselves. Give me a break.

well this is great news lol

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Such BS is what the military complex hopes you'll believe....

my god, the sky is falling..we have no power over positive negotiations..we will continually screw with and invade the Arab nations trying to get their oil and they will get so tired of it they will have bombs built and explode us in 2015...

The solution?

Get democrats in office..they play well with others...:FU1:

Nope. Because for this to happen, the Dome and Al-Asqa must be destroyed. If you're going to do that, you might as well just nuke Jerusalem from orbit. It'll be much easier, but the result will be the same.

Like I said, you think *THEY* are pissed off at us now? Ho-lee-HELL.

Hardly. Hitlery has already said she will have troops there till 2013 and that nuking Iran is an option. She sounds just like all the other warmongers. If you want to effect actual change in our foreign policy, elect the only anti-war candidate...Ron Paul.

"Defending yourself" is one thing. Killing, raping, pillaging, stealing, all of which were OK'ed by the Pope himself... that's something COMPLETELY different.

Take a look at the rest of history. Christians killing to spread their faith all over the world for over a millennium. How is that any different from what the Muslims did in taking the holy land?

it's YOUR land being taken... that's what makes it different. When people of your faith are killed in order to conquer a land, it's the evil (insert religion here). When you kill in order to conquer land, it's perfectly fine.

Again, look at the pagans. Hell, the Inquisitions with all its excommunications, torture (torture, which I might add was condoned by the Pope), burnings and other horrid events should be proof enough. And that's just on your home turf.

Do you want to know just how out of whack you Christians got back in the day? Three words: Trial by Ordeal. Talk about a one sided, totally slanted, completely EVIL concept.

Let's start:

One of the things that could be done to a possible heretic was to have them pick up and hold a hot coal in their hands. if you were a man of God, His glory would not allow you to be scarred. If you were... well, you got a taste of what's about to happen after the torture for a confession to being a heretic.

Now, if say a bishop or priest were pointed out as being a heretic, his test was this: He would have to kneel before the Cross and eat a piece of bread. If he was truly a heretic, God would not allow him to eat the bread (read: flesh of Christ).

Yeah... sounds fair to me :wtf::wtf::wtf: