Victory in Iraq, the Iran connection, and only the facts

As long as Iraqis are securing Iraqis borders, I have no problem with us lending them a hand, but we do not need to do it for them. And if you think that we are going to get off foreign oil, I'd say you're the one that needs to come to grips with the global economy.

Step two: Right on the money. We can accomplish more through sanctions than military might, hit them where it hurts, the bank.

Step three: I could careless about Israel, or the "peace loving muslims" there.

Step four: I wonder what China and Russia are going to think of this.

You still seem to think that we are going to win a "war" against a set of ideals, it is not possible. Even if we invade Iran, then Syria, then the Sudan, then Lebanon, and on and on, it is some how going to all of a sudden make anti American sentiment just go away, or those that hate western civilization just give up, and it is not. As a matter of fact, it is only going to fuel the fire.

Let me put it in laymans terms. We are neighbors, you steal my mower, I throw a rock through your window and kill your cat. You come to my house, and beat me up, and move in, now, do you honestly think that just "makes it ok" and that I am going to just not try to kill you and get you out of my house? Hell no.

It's a complete failure of rational thought that continued occupation, and violence is going to have ANYTHING other than adverse effects.

Step three: I could careless about Israel, or the "peace loving muslims" there.

Step four: I wonder what China and Russia are going to think of this.

and the opinion of China and Russia is and isn't important. What we are talking about here is government sponsorship of terrorism in a post 911 world. If China and Russia would support countries that harbor terrorism then maybe all the food we export should stay here. Maybe we could feed our poor (gee there's an idea), or maybe we could kick some food to Mexico to improve their quality of life so they quit colonizing California. The bottom line is that Their support of countries who support terror is alarming and if you follow the money you can understand it. Look at France, the sad (and under-reported) truth is that France was against war in Iraq because French politicians were getting rich off the oil for food program

When it comes to our relationship with Russia and China, they need our food more then we need their devalued currency & vodka...

last time I checked there aren't any state sponsored terror camps in Saudi, neither are Saudis leaving their homes to fight in Iraq

if you're going to make these claims I'd like to see some links to back it up

So, you mean that 15 of the 19 hijackers that commited the act, that took us to war being from Saudi has nothing to do with nothing? Or Bin Laden? LOL I guess it's ok for them to leave their homes in Saudi to fly planes into buildings huh? HAHAHAMaybe next time we are attacked we can fly some Saudi royals out of the country on Air Force One...oh wait...

last time I checked there aren't any state sponsored terror camps in Saudi, neither are Saudis leaving their homes to fight in Iraq

if you're going to make these claims I'd like to see some links to back it up

no they just fund them in other countries.

that was before 911, after 911 they have done much to clean up their act, Bin Laden isn't welcome there and he knows it. They do not currently sponsor terror groups and they help us where they can.

you seem to thrive on spreading misinformation, and at the same time you preach a doctrine of do nothing and surrender. We shouldn't act against Iran when they've declared war on us because years ago there was a Terrorist attack that didn't come from Iran? That make no sense.

Again I'll ask you to represent your comment, show me something that says Saudi is actively sponsoring terror post 911 or your comment is a farce

You have officially become a joke. Mostly Saudi terrorist fly planes into the WTC, we invade afghanistan, and of all other places, Iraq, while flying Saudi royalty out of country, and you are here defending them because "they have cleaned up their act", and do you have hard proof that Bin Laden isn't welcome there, or financed through some family channels?? LO***INGL, good lapdog.

And "do nothing and surrender"? Nice try flyboy, but I am ALL for taking out terrorist, none of which were in Iraq, and almost all of whom came from Saudi. A whole war founded on misinformation, and you try to target me as the one spreading it? ***ing hilarious.

I suppose Saudi's post 911 commitments don't mean anything, or rather you never heard about them?

Taking care of the Saudi families? We owed them a favor, when Saddam took over Kuwait who opened their land for us?

again the policy of "no harboring terrorists" is post 911, the WTC people were before 911

And read Bin Laden's statements, he himself has clearly called Saudi "the enemy". That more then anything else should show what side they're on

and FYI, the investigation into the UK bombings shows an Al Qaeda in Iraq link (which is funded by Iran), sorry if that busts up your theory

again, do you have ANY links at all? give me some source docs.

You know why AQ is in Iraq don't you? Because we are there. We didn't go there to fight them, so your whole point of view is a failure to start with.

And you are REALLY sucking up to Saudi here, talk about appeasement. So we just forget all the bad things they have done in the past, and all the terrorist that have come from there because "they cleaned up their act" after 9/11? Seriously dude, listen to yourself. Gotta LOOOOOOVE that bubbling crude.

So, you mean that 15 of the 19 hijackers that commited the act, that took us to war being from Saudi has nothing to do with nothing? Or Bin Laden? LOL I guess it's ok for them to leave their homes in Saudi to fly planes into buildings huh? HAHAHAMaybe next time we are attacked we can fly some Saudi royals out of the country on Air Force One...oh wait...

that was before 911, after 911 they have done much to clean up their act, Bin Laden isn't welcome there and he knows it. They do not currently sponsor terror groups and they help us where they can.

you seem to thrive on spreading misinformation, and at the same time you preach a doctrine of do nothing and surrender. We shouldn't act against Iran when they've declared war on us because years ago there was a Terrorist attack that didn't come from Iran? That make no sense.

Again I'll ask you to represent your comment, show me something that says Saudi is actively sponsoring terror post 911 or your comment is a farce

no they just fund them in other countries.

You have officially become a joke. Mostly Saudi terrorist fly planes into the WTC, we invade afghanistan, and of all other places, Iraq, while flying Saudi royalty out of country, and you are here defending them because "they have cleaned up their act", and do you have hard proof that Bin Laden isn't welcome there, or financed through some family channels?? LOFUCKINGL, good lapdog.

And "do nothing and surrender"? Nice try flyboy, but I am ALL for taking out terrorist, none of which were in Iraq, and almost all of whom came from Saudi. A whole war founded on misinformation, and you try to target me as the one spreading it? ******* hilarious.

You know why AQ is in Iraq don't you? Because we are there. We didn't go there to fight them, so your whole point of view is a failure to start with.

And you are REALLY sucking up to Saudi here, talk about appeasement. So we just forget all the bad things they have done in the past, and all the terrorist that have come from there because "they cleaned up their act" after 9/11? Seriously dude, listen to yourself. Gotta LOOOOOOVE that bubbling crude.

You know why AQ is in Iraq don't you? Because we are there.

Gotta LOOOOOOVE that bubbling crude.

Make up your mind, either they are a idealogy or a country. Which ones are you fighting?

I think yesterdays problems should have been dealt with yesterday and today's problems should be dealt with today

Anybody who's educated on the Iraqi Al Qaeda branch understands that it's founding members were on the ground in Iraq pre 2003, but that it has since then seen a flux in man power and funding from abroad.

See again how you thrive on misinformation?

You constantly jump from one misconception to the other as I blast them away

first Saudi was the real problem

then there were no terror connection in Iraq

now there are terror connections in Iraq but it's "our fault"

I hope everybody here is reading this. My opponent continues to fail to uphold his conspiracy theories and continues to lead away from the original topic of this thread because he cannot actually provide any rational reason as to why we shouldn't act against Iran.