Victory in Iraq, the Iran connection, and only the facts

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The major topic for discussion is the war in Iraq. Has been, and will be, until it is resolved one way or another.

Now the majority of Americans want victory in Iraq, although there are a small minority who actually hate President Bush so much they would see our country's efforts in vain to spite him. Be that as it may...

Senator Lieberman, a Liberal and a Democrat, announced the unfortunate truth that Iran has in fact entered the Iraq war. You can read an article on it here.

The Raw Story | Lieberman: Iran has declared war on the US

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Although no one desires a conflict with Iran, the fact is that the Iranian government by its actions has declared war on us.

Brig. Gen. Kevin Bergner has been quoted as saying that Iran is shelling out between "$750,000 to $3 million per month into Iraq" to fight America.

The Senator's full statement can be read here

Senator Joe Lieberman: News Release

It should again be noted that this isn't a member of the "vast right wing conspiracy", this is a member of the democratic party who has long been praised for saying what's right at times when it's unpopular.

we already know Iran is sending weapons to the Taliban

FOXNews.com - Official: Iranian Weapons Intercepted on Way to Taliban - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

And even our friends across the pond know well and good the of terror camps being hosted within Iran

Iran Focus-Exclusive: Terrorist training camps in Iran - Terrorism - News

Iraq has had it's hits and misses. While we have failed to prove Iraq had nuclear intentions we did find over 500 WMD's of a chemical or biological nature there. While Saddam in the end wasn't directly tied to Bin Laden (in fact he was possibly the most secular dictator in the region), he was guilty of killing hundreds of thousands of innocents and deserved to be taken out. And if you want to fault intelligence; I can tell you from personal experience that the military was being briefed during the Clinton years that Bin Laden and Hussein were walking hand in hand.

Beyond that the 25 million people in Iraq deserve freedom, for it is said that all men (people) are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

So knowing now, placing all politics aside to consider Iran on it's actions alone, what should we do?

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@Silverchild79,

You still seem to think that we are going to win a "war" against a set of ideals, it is not possible. Even if we invade Iran, then Syria, then the Sudan, then Lebanon, and on and on, it is some how going to all of a sudden make anti American sentiment just go away, or those that hate western civilization just give up, and it is not. As a matter of fact, it is only going to fuel the fire.

Let me put it in laymans terms. We are neighbors, you steal my mower, I throw a rock through your window and kill your cat. You come to my house, and beat me up, and move in, now, do you honestly think that just "makes it ok" and that I am going to just not try to kill you and get you out of my house? Hell no.

It's a complete failure of rational thought that continued occupation, and violence is going to have ANYTHING other than adverse effects.

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@Silverchild79,

Okay, so what's your solution then?

All I'm getting from you is let's not fight back, then what should we do?

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@Reagaknight,

Reagaknight;25622 wrote:

Okay, so what's your solution then?

All I'm getting from you is let's not fight back, then what should we do?

Defend our borders, and maybe try this thing called diplomacy with the countries that still like us in the region instead of waving our military penis at everyone.

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@Silverchild79,

There aren't really that many countries with clean records who like us in the area. Defending the borders won't work. It will allow the terrorists to grow freely and without challenge, and eventually they will find a way to get past any border security.

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@Reagaknight,

Reagaknight;25626 wrote:

There aren't really that many countries with clean records who like us in the area. Defending the borders won't work. It will allow the terrorists to grow freely and without challenge, and eventually they will find a way to get past any border security.

Really? You buy that line? You think that because we are in Iraq, that maybe they aren't training in say...the Sudan? Or Pakistan? Or Yemen? Or hell, in the bush in Australia?

Do you really think that having a porous border is fine? That less than 2% of cargo coming into our ports being accounted for a searched, and millions of illegal immigrants in this country, and thousands each day are fine, and secure, as long as "we are fighting them there, and not here"? That's a real good line till the next time, I wonder what their excuse is going to be then?

And you'll note, I didn't say cut activity overseas. We can actively fight terrorism worldwide without being bogged down in Iraq making billions for all the no bid contracts, while Bush agrees to veto MOTHERFUCKING VETERNS AFFAIRS SPENDING!!! You know, the money for the guys that are getting blown to **** in the war his pals are making billions a day in.

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@Silverchild79,

The Sudan? That's ridiculous. I trust the Pakistanis enough to think they're not letting terrorist groups grow there in any large way. The basic point is that many of them are in Iraq, and we are fighting them there. Fighting them there seems to have prevented a 'next time' until now. And it's not like we're not catching people because of that. I think you're really just fearmongering. I would have no problem with tightening border security, but it's not gonna work if we stop fighting terrorist organizations.

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@Silverchild79,

What's ridiculous about it? You do know that that was Bin Ladens base of operations in the early ninties, and that they were urging him to move his entire organization there, and was supported by leaders in the National Islamic Front in the Sudan....don't you? He had relations with organizations from Saudi Arabia (wouldn't want to piss them off thought huh?) Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Oman, Algeia, Libya, Morocco, Somalia, as well as Chad, Mali, Niger, Nigeria, and Uganda, oh, and Burma, Thialand, Maylasia, and Indonesia, did I forget someone? Oh yea, and organizations in Bosnia too. Hmmmm, I don't remember us setting up camp in those countries, seems that sanctions and threats worked fine, but do you think that because he isn't freely able to operate in those places, that support for their cause "just went away"?

I am "fearmongering"? LOL, yea ok, what's the terror alert level today? Sorry if you think being realistic is "fearmongering". Like I said, we can fight terroism without waving our camo pecker. Of course, if we actually had sanctions against countries that we KNOW support terrorism, we would be out of a LOT of oil, so it seems it's ok to have a double standard as long as oil/defense contractors are making billions, and your stocks are going up.

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@92b16vx,

92b16vx;25619 wrote:

You still seem to think that we are going to win a "war" against a set of ideals, it is not possible. Even if we invade Iran, then Syria, then the Sudan, then Lebanon, and on and on, it is some how going to all of a sudden make anti American sentiment just go away, or those that hate western civilization just give up, and it is not. As a matter of fact, it is only going to fuel the fire.

Let me put it in laymans terms. We are neighbors, you steal my mower, I throw a rock through your window and kill your cat. You come to my house, and beat me up, and move in, now, do you honestly think that just "makes it ok" and that I am going to just not try to kill you and get you out of my house? Hell no.

It's a complete failure of rational thought that continued occupation, and violence is going to have ANYTHING other than adverse effects.

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So knowing now, placing all politics aside to consider Iran on it's actions alone, what should we do?

Still beating around the Bush huh? Answer the question? If you could put your politics to the side what would you do? Appeasement!

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You still seem to think that we are going to win a "war" against a set of ideals, it is not possible.

So what your saying is if you can't win your not gonna fight? Why not convert to Muslim now, stngfan i mean 92?

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Even if we invade Iran, then Syria, then the Sudan, then Lebanon, and on and on, it is some how going to all of a sudden make anti American sentiment just go away, or those that hate western civilization just give up, and it is not.

No but we will kill alot of terrorists in the process, for some reason they like lining up to fight over there.

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As a matter of fact, it is only going to fuel the fire.

Here comes the appeasement/diplomacy pitch, sorry bud it don't work.

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Let me put it in laymans terms. We are neighbors, you steal my mower, I throw a rock through your window and kill your cat. You come to my house, and beat me up, and move in, now, do you honestly think that just "makes it ok" and that I am going to just not try to kill you and get you out of my house? Hell no.

What you really mean is "laydown terms" not laymen terms.

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It's a complete failure of rational thought that continued occupation, and violence is going to have ANYTHING other than adverse effects

It served you well while on the payroll, why the change of mind? Oh, your not on the payroll anymore!

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;25635 wrote:

Still beating around the Bush huh? Answer the question? If you could put your politics to the side what would you do? Appeasement! So what your saying is if you can't win your not gonna fight? Why not convert to Muslim now, stngfan i mean 92?No but we will kill alot of terrorists in the process, for some reason they like lining up to fight over there.Here comes the appeasement/diplomacy pitch, sorry bud it don't work.What you really mean is "laydown terms" not laymen terms.It served you well while on the payroll, why the change of mind? Oh, your not on the payroll anymore!

Oh look, all you tired old lines that mean nothing, and have the though process of a five yearold, congratulations, did you just copy paste all that from the hundred times you already posted it? How's sittting around your house on the intraweb fighting the dissentors going for ya? Saved the country yet? LOL talk about laps.

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@92b16vx,

92b16vx;25624 wrote:

Defend our borders, and maybe try this thing called diplomacy with the countries that still like us in the region instead of waving our military penis at everyone.

WE tried it the first the second the third and so on. It don't work. When theyhit us again how will your story change? Who gets the blame again, surely not you. Funny you didn't mind us wavng our penis when it was you that was waving?

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@92b16vx,

92b16vx;25619 wrote:

You still seem to think that we are going to win a "war" against a set of ideals, it is not possible.

considering the endgame of the ideals of radical Islam include an America which is dominated by Islamic law, you'd better damn well hope we can. The problem with you stance can be summoned up by it's sheer incompatibility with a globally connected economy.

My rough plan for victory:

Step one: Liberate America from foreign oil; secure the US and the Iraqi borders

Step Two: Economic sanctions for both countries

Step Three: provide military assistance to Israel to secure Gaza and the west bank for peace loving Muslims who do accept the existence of Israel

Step Four: Robust air strikes against militant camps and nuclear sites in Iran/ Syria

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@Silverchild79,

Tired ad nauseam. Put on your little hat and try thinking of something new.

WE have NOT secured our borders, till we do, anything done thousands of miles away is smoke and mirrors.

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@92b16vx,

92b16vx;25637 wrote:

Oh look, all you tired old lines that mean nothing, and have the though process of a five yearold, congratulations, did you just copy paste all that from the hundred times you already posted it? How's sittting around your house on the intraweb fighting the dissentors going for ya? Saved the country yet? LOL talk about laps.

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Oh look, all you tired old lines that mean nothing,

No, what you say, that is what means nothing.

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and have the though process of a five yearold,

Stupe to my level often, yes!

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congratulations,

Same to you, wasn't it nice to get combat pay, free medical for the rest of your life. Indeed, congratulations.

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did you just copy paste all that from the hundred times you already posted it?

Like i said, i don't get tired. lap21.

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How's sittting around your house on the intraweb fighting the dissentors going for ya?

Your boss know you spend so much time online, i doubt it. Ask him on and let him see you post count and when your online, well see what's what! Certain ones i wouldn't call dessentors, but i promised cam i wouldn't tell you what you really are.

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Saved the country yet? LOL talk about laps

Why save it, we are about to get our wish, we will be invading Iran soon, pay somemore kids who are wet behind the ears but are stupid enough to sign up, sound familiar? God i love this country.

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;25639 wrote:

considering the endgame of the ideals of radical Islam include an America which is dominated by Islamic law, you'd better damn well hope we can. The problem with you stance can be summoned up by it's sheer incompatibility with a globally connected economy.

My rough plan for victory:

Step one: Liberate America from foreign oil; secure the US and the Iraqi borders

Step Two: Economic sanctions for both countries

Step Three: provide military assistance to Israel to secure Gaza and the west bank for peace loving Muslims who do accept the existence of Israel

Step Four: Robust air strikes against militant camps and nuclear sites in Iran/ Syria

92 can't think that far, All he can do is run away. Notice how he never came close to answering your question. That is because he can't. His only responce it to withdraw.

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@92b16vx,

92b16vx;25640 wrote:

Tired ad nauseam. Put on your little hat and try thinking of something new.

WE have NOT secured our borders, till we do, anything done thousands of miles away is smoke and mirrors.

Kick back and enjoy the show, you paid for it!!!

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@Silverchild79,

Here let me repost the question for you, try and stick on topic for a change.

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So knowing now, placing all politics aside to consider Iran on it's actions alone, what should we do?

Think you can do that big guy?

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;25642 wrote:

92 can't think that far, All he can do is run away. Notice how he never came close to answering your question. That is because he can't. His only responce it to withdraw.

Actually (edited by admin sniffle sniffle, did I make you cry?), we posted at the same time, sit down and let the grown ups talk.

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;25639 wrote:

My rough plan for victory:

Step one: Liberate America from foreign oil; secure the US and the Iraqi borders

Step Two: Economic sanctions for both countries

Step Three: provide military assistance to Israel to secure Gaza and the west bank for peace loving Muslims who do accept the existence of Israel

Step Four: Robust air strikes against militant camps and nuclear sites in Iran/ Syria

As long as Iraqis are securing Iraqis borders, I have no problem with us lending them a hand, but we do not need to do it for them. And if you think that we are going to get off foreign oil, I'd say you're the one that needs to come to grips with the global economy.

Step two: Right on the money. We can accomplish more through sanctions than military might, hit them where it hurts, the bank.

Step three: I could careless about Israel, or the "peace loving muslims" there.

Step four: I wonder what China and Russia are going to think of this.

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@92b16vx,

92b16vx;25650 wrote:

Actually (edited by admin), we posted at the same time, sit down and let the grown ups talk.

I only see one grownup talking, that and two five yearolds. Meaning you and me.

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