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Bible Party of the USA

 
 
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 10:44 am
@oleo,
Wow. What did I say? PARDON ME, fellow Christian warriors. No....homosexuality is disordered, but not a sin, in itself, as long as the individual afflicted with the condition ABSTAINS from homosexual acts. That's what I meant -- there's nothing wrong with it, per se, as long as it isn't indulged in. That's the Catholic position on this. Sorry. :headbang:
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 11:33 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;27993 wrote:
Wow. What did I say? PARDON ME, fellow Christian warriors. No....homosexuality is disordered, but not a sin, in itself, as long as the individual afflicted with the condition ABSTAINS from homosexual acts. That's what I meant -- there's nothing wrong with it, per se, as long as it isn't indulged in. That's the Catholic position on this. Sorry. :headbang:


Oh, well...thank you for that. Disordered? Is that what it is? And not a sin, as long as the individual "afflicted" with "the condition", abstains.....?
My, what a theologian. And cigarettes are fine, as long as you don't smoke them. And alcohol is fine, as long as you don't over-indulge. And adultery and fornication are fine...as long as it remains discreet. Or is everybody married that is having sex? Or are those having sex, married to each other....boy, a whole lot of hypocrisy going on. Let me adjust your toothpick, disregarding the big ol beam in my eye. You people kill me.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 05:55 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;28007 wrote:
Oh, well...thank you for that. Disordered? Is that what it is? And not a sin, as long as the individual "afflicted" with "the condition", abstains.....?
My, what a theologian. And cigarettes are fine, as long as you don't smoke them. And alcohol is fine, as long as you don't over-indulge. And adultery and fornication are fine...as long as it remains discreet. Or is everybody married that is having sex? Or are those having sex, married to each other....boy, a whole lot of hypocrisy going on. Let me adjust your toothpick, disregarding the big ol beam in my eye. You people kill me.


Chill. That's the Catholic position and I'm Catholic.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 06:33 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;28025 wrote:
Chill. That's the Catholic position and I'm Catholic.


Well, goody gumdrops for you! What is your sanctimonious position on the millions of dollars the Catholic Church has had to pay out due to all of the class action sexual abuse cases, all over the country? And what would be the Catholic position on that? Hypocrites, everywhere you turn. Holier than thou's who forget while you're pointing your finger, you got a big ol thumb pointing back at you. Y'all kill me.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2007 06:35 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;28033 wrote:
Well, goody gumdrops for you! What is your sanctimonious position on the millions of dollars the Catholic Church has had to pay out due to all of the class action sexual abuse cases, all over the country? And what would be the Catholic position on that? Hypocrites, everywhere you turn. Holier than thou's who forget while you're pointing your finger, you got a big ol thumb pointing back at you. Y'all kill me.


And I'm Anglo-Catholic, big whoop? I even know part of the mass in Latin....how about you? Sanctimonious.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 11:45 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;28033 wrote:
Well, goody gumdrops for you! What is your sanctimonious position on the millions of dollars the Catholic Church has had to pay out due to all of the class action sexual abuse cases, all over the country? And what would be the Catholic position on that? Hypocrites, everywhere you turn. Holier than thou's who forget while you're pointing your finger, you got a big ol thumb pointing back at you. Y'all kill me.
Quote:
Well, goody gumdrops for you! What is your sanctimonious position on the millions of dollars the Catholic Church has had to pay out due to all of the class action sexual abuse cases, all over the country?

Probably close to the same view as they hold on homosexuals being priests. Unfortunatley it doesn't stop them form getting in. Using a religion to supply yourself for sexual pleasure is very discusting. Do you find any fault for the sex they prayed on? Or just the fact that they say there were religious? What age do you feel is consentual for sex of the samesex human species?
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 12:22 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;28147 wrote:
Probably close to the same view as they hold on homosexuals being priests. Unfortunatley it doesn't stop them form getting in. Using a religion to supply yourself for sexual pleasure is very discusting. Do you find any fault for the sex they prayed on? Or just the fact that they say there were religious? What age do you feel is consentual for sex of the samesex human species?


When you make sense...I'll answer you.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 12:43 pm
@Volunteer,
Some how i think your incapable.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 12:48 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;28187 wrote:
Some how i think your incapable.


"you're"
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 01:13 pm
@Volunteer,
At least i remembered to put an "r." Your so heated, LOL.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 01:22 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;28203 wrote:
At least i remembered to put an "r." Your so heated, LOL.


touche'....how rare is that?...but you omitted the apostrophe and e.....Ooops.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 01:37 pm
@Volunteer,
Heah, i'm not the one trying to be perfect and failing.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 01:42 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;28215 wrote:
Heah, i'm not the one trying to be perfect and failing.


Who said I was trying to be perfect? Who said I was "failing"?
What makes you think that I am not?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2007 01:47 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;28034 wrote:
And I'm Anglo-Catholic, big whoop? I even know part of the mass in Latin....how about you? Sanctimonious.


Wha......? You're quoting yourself?:wtf:
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 04:06 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;27931 wrote:
I get so sick and tired of so-called self righteous types, who think that "The Bible" is the end all and be all, and should be taken, colon, comma and period, verbatim, without informed consent or using one's common sense or ability to reason.
Dr. Ron Smothermon, author of "Winning through Enlightenment" ( one of my favorite books), writes about sex, " The human has definite physical form. There are two standard varieties. One comes equipped with a long (sometimes) organ called a penis. The other variety comes equipped with a potential space in which to put the long (sometimes) organ. People who like to do this are called "heterosexual". What they like to do is fill the space and create friction with their organs. However, prior to all of this there usually occurs an elaborate courting game with certain formulated ( by the culture) behavior. Sometimes survival and love are rolled into the act and the whole thing is called "marriage". Sometimes, survival alone is rolled into the act and it is called "prostitution". Sometimes love alone is rolled into the act and it is called an "affair". Occasionally, the act produces new individuals. This may or may not be desired by the participants. Killing the individual before birth is called an "abortion". There are other people who like to relate sexually with individuals with the same body type as theirs. These people are known as "homosexuals" or "gays". Except for body configuration, and the substitution of certain orifices, the issues and the activities are exactly the same, except the creation of new individuals, and the issues that brings up do not apply.
....you think certain forms (of sex) ( and almost always those forms are different than yours) are "bad" or "wrong". You also have judgements that other forms (almost always yours) are "good" or "right".
Now for the real truth about sex. There is no right or wrong about it. Your belief systems are only your belief systems, not truth. You remember "truth".
That's the guy who stands on his own merits, without support from your beliefs. More make-wrongs occur in the area of sexuality than any other area, except race.
The body is as clear a statement of Context as exists in the physical world. The sexual aspect of the body is as clear a statement of the Self as there is in the physical world. It is sort of a cosmic joke that it appears to consist of just so much plumbing. Sex can work for you at the level of satisfaction for which there are no words, if you treat it as a physical manifestation of Self.
And sex can really not work at all, if you treat it as what it appears to be: just so much plumbing. There is a lot of baggage and a lot of "stuff" to unload
about sex before it will work perfectly in your life. I suggest you start unloading and become enlightened."

I suggest that those who are so concerned with how other people have sex, are miffed and frustrated because sex isn't working in their own lives...so much so, they feel compelled to use 2 or 3, maybe even 4 antiquated verses in The Bible, to make others feel as miserable as they do, about sex not working in their own lives.


Elaborate rationalization.

Personally, I could care less about what you do to your own body. I care what your or others who choose to abuse themselves with perversions do to your mind by degrading yourself. The degraded mind then chooses to accept other degrading/corrupt behavior as "normal" and in keeping with their self-hatred. This is wrong and leads to a gradual corruption of society when others follow your lead.

I have to live in that society. My children have to live in that society. I care about what they are exposed to. If this were just a matter of people doing it in the closet or the privacy of their bedrooms the issue wouldn't be as obvious. Stop patronizing us with the falacious argument that people who degrade and corrupt themselves don't hurt the rest of society. No man is an island. Stop pretending we're stupid. We aren't.

God cares what you do.

People who believe the Bible just remind people like you, when you bring up the subject or when you allude to similar issues, what the Bible (God's Word) says about the behavior you defend.

When the woman was caught in the act of adultery and brought to Jesus, Jesus asked those who were innocent to cast the first stone. They didn't cast a stone. He asked her if anyone condemned her. She said no one had. Jesus told her, neither did he. He then told her to go and sin no more. This indicates He thought of sexual immorality as sin. Many other passages indicate sexual immorality is a sin. Homosexuality is listed as a sin in the old and new testaments.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 04:14 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;27931 wrote:
I get so sick and tired of so-called self righteous types, who think that "The Bible" is the end all and be all, and should be taken, colon, comma and period, verbatim, without informed consent or using one's common sense or ability to reason....


The thing about a rock is it doesn't care what you think. It exists. The same for God's Word. It exists independent of you and me, just as He does. He gave you the ability to reason. He wrote the rules. You don't have to like them.
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 04:19 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;27931 wrote:
Dr. Ron Smothermon, author of "Winning through Enlightenment" ( one of my favorite books), writes about sex, " The human has definite physical form. There are two standard varieties. One comes equipped with a long (sometimes) organ called a penis. The other variety comes equipped with a potential space in which to put the long (sometimes) organ. People who like to do this are called "heterosexual". What they like to do is fill the space and create friction with their organs. However, prior to all of this there usually occurs an elaborate courting game with certain formulated ( by the culture) behavior. Sometimes survival and love are rolled into the act and the whole thing is called "marriage". Sometimes, survival alone is rolled into the act and it is called "prostitution". Sometimes love alone is rolled into the act and it is called an "affair". Occasionally, the act produces new individuals. This may or may not be desired by the participants. Killing the individual before birth is called an "abortion". There are other people who like to relate sexually with individuals with the same body type as theirs. These people are known as "homosexuals" or "gays". Except for body configuration, and the substitution of certain orifices, the issues and the activities are exactly the same, except the creation of new individuals, and the issues that brings up do not apply.


The thing about PhDs is they attain and maintain their reputation by writing. If they don't write something, they are criticised by their faculty committees or the university president. Therefore, they write and write, and write. Much of what they write is drivel. What you quote above fits in that category, not what one could expect from someone attempting to extend human knowledge.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 04:20 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;28623 wrote:
Elaborate rationalization.

Personally, I could care less about what you do to your own body. I care what your or others who choose to abuse themselves with perversions do to your mind by degrading yourself. The degraded mind then chooses to accept other degrading/corrupt behavior as "normal" and in keeping with their self-hatred. This is wrong and leads to a gradual corruption of society when others follow your lead.

I have to live in that society. My children have to live in that society. I care about what they are exposed to. If this were just a matter of people doing it in the closet or the privacy of their bedrooms the issue wouldn't be as obvious. Stop patronizing us with the falacious argument that people who degrade and corrupt themselves don't hurt the rest of society. No man is an island. Stop pretending we're stupid. We aren't.

God cares what you do.

People who believe the Bible just remind people like you, when you bring up the subject or when you allude to similar issues, what the Bible (God's Word) says about the behavior you defend.

When the woman was caught in the act of adultery and brought to Jesus, Jesus asked those who were innocent to cast the first stone. They didn't cast a stone. He asked her if anyone condemned her. She said no one had. Jesus told her, neither did he. He then told her to go and sin no more. This indicates He thought of sexual immorality as sin. Many other passages indicate sexual immorality is a sin. Homosexuality is listed as a sin in the old and new testaments.


You're a "bible thumper", and a religious zealot...and guess what? You can be anything you want to be....believe anything you want to believe...that's the beauty of it.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 04:22 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;27931 wrote:
... Sometimes love alone is rolled into the act and it is called an "affair". Occasionally, the act produces new individuals. This may or may not be desired by the participants. Killing the individual before birth is called an "abortion". There are other people who like to relate sexually with individuals with the same body type as theirs. These people are known as "homosexuals" or "gays". Except for body configuration, and the substitution of certain orifices, the issues and the activities are exactly the same, except the creation of new individuals, and the issues that brings up do not apply.


This is a crummy argument: homosexual acts are not a good form of birth control. What a self-serving rationalization!
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 04:24 pm
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;28635 wrote:
You're a "bible thumper", and a religious zealot...and guess what? You can be anything you want to be....believe anything you want to believe...that's the beauty of it.


Which is better to be, a Jesus Freak or a homosexual zealot? Oh, that's a rhetorical question.
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