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Western Acceptance of War

 
 
Curmudgeon
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jan, 2007 04:13 pm
@Pinochet73,
Welcome Dmizer .
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jan, 2007 05:56 pm
@Pinochet73,
"Because that IS their belief system. We live, we suffer. There is no avoiding suffering, so that which is inevitable must be embraced. To the person on the outside this seems unreasonable..."

This kind of thinking has helped hold your people back. Christ overcame life. He transcends this troubled existence. He champions positive change -- progress. :headbang:
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oleo
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jan, 2007 06:07 pm
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;9169 wrote:
Weren't to sure of that post oleo?


I realized I had him confused with someone else, I think...
oleo
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jan, 2007 06:27 pm
@Dmizer,
Dmizer;9476 wrote:
Neville Chamberlin declared that he achieved "peace in our time" back in 1939 or there about. He was convinced that diplomatic and political pressure could prevail in that time of tribulation and impending violence. What he and many who followed him failed to understand was the true nature of the evil and intolerance that they were dealing with. A short time after Neville made his declaration Hilter began his invasion and WW2 began.
Peace is possible only when you are dealing with like minded individuals. Peace is possible when you are dealing with individuals who do not perceive the desire for peace against a foe as a sign of weakness.
The Muslim extremists upon whom this "war on terror" is focused relies upon that "weakness" to gain strength. He uses the sheep of the world to hide behind as a sheild then strikes when the back of the "infidels" (which is everyone who does not agree with his views) is turned. History repeats itself, everyday.


We lost sight of who the enemy was. Al Qaeda was not Saddam Hussein,
and we had not defeated Al Qaeda before we launched another, foolish
invasion that allowed Al Qaeda to flourish in an area where it previously didn't
enjoy a stronghold. We're letting our military slowly be decimated by
both sides of a conflict we created.

We have been overly proud, arrogant and foolish... the things the enemy
says that we are that will lead to our downfall.

The War in Iraq is equal to the allies dealing with Nazi Germany by
invading Argentina.

The modern equivalent of Chamberlin's declaration:

"I don't believe capturing Osama Bin Laden is a priority right now."
- George W. Bush, when asked why Bin Laden is still at large

More troops needed in Afghanistan
Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2007 03:05 pm
@oleo,
oleo;9495 wrote:
I realized I had him confused with someone else, I think...
Cool.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2007 03:23 pm
@oleo,
oleo;9500 wrote:
We lost sight of who the enemy was. Al Qaeda was not Saddam Hussein,
and we had not defeated Al Qaeda before we launched another, foolish
invasion that allowed Al Qaeda to flourish in an area where it previously didn't
enjoy a stronghold. We're letting our military slowly be decimated by
both sides of a conflict we created.

We have been overly proud, arrogant and foolish... the things the enemy
says that we are that will lead to our downfall.

The War in Iraq is equal to the allies dealing with Nazi Germany by
invading Argentina.

The modern equivalent of Chamberlin's declaration:

"I don't believe capturing Osama Bin Laden is a priority right now."
- George W. Bush, when asked why Bin Laden is still at large

More troops needed in Afghanistan
Quote:
we had not defeated Al Qaeda before we launched another, foolish
invasion that allowed Al Qaeda to flourish in an area where it previously didn't
enjoy a stronghold.

Are you under the assuption that Al Qaeda was just in Afganistan?
Quote:
We're letting our military slowly be decimated by
both sides of a conflict we created.

Decimated? If i'm not correct i think we have lost fewer and fewer men since we started this engagement.
Quote:
We have been overly proud, arrogant and foolish... the things the enemy
says that we are that will lead to our downfall.

As a people, how do we compare to the enemy we fight?
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2007 05:24 pm
@Pinochet73,
Townhall.com::If not Iraq, then where, when and at what cost?::By Mark M. Alexander

Amid all the political posturing about whether we should surge into or out of Iraq, a reality check with the rationale for Operation Iraqi Freedom is in order when considering the Bush administration's revised operation plan, and rules of engagement, to accomplish our OIF mission. Of course, reality checks have never been prerequisite to the Democrats' foreign-policy positions, especially in the perpetual election cycle. Hard realities, after all, make for difficult decisions.

For the record, on 11 September 2001, before the dust had settled over lower Manhattan and the Pentagon, U.S. military and intelligence analysts determined, correctly, that the architect of the attacks that morning was sheik Osama bin Laden. He was the chief Imam of Jihadistan, that borderless nation of Islamic extremists comprising al-Qa'ida and other Muslim terrorist groups around the world.

Though not a symmetric threat to the West (one with well-defined political, economic and geographic objectives), it became crystal clear that fateful morning that Osama and his Jihadi adherents would use any means at their disposal to cripple the West.

Jihadi terrorists had attacked western civilian targets for more than two decades, with limited retaliation. However, all that changed when our nation watched as some 3,000 of our fellow Americans were slaughtered by just a handful of al-Qa'ida terrorists.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jan, 2007 06:27 pm
@Curmudgeon,
What would NIXON do?:headbang:
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Sherman cv
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jan, 2007 05:48 pm
@oleo,
oleo;9147 wrote:
Imperial Britain played a big part in creating that society and its problems
and injustices. You have to rethink that belief system, also.


Right! And we are paying the consequences for that!! Britain is almost another India! So do not feel bad for them, they have more than they would have given to english, if the situation had been reversed!!:frown:
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Sherman cv
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jan, 2007 05:56 pm
@oleo,
oleo;9500 wrote:
We lost sight of who the enemy was. Al Qaeda was not Saddam Hussein,
and we had not defeated Al Qaeda before we launched another, foolish
invasion that allowed Al Qaeda to flourish in an area where it previously didn't
enjoy a stronghold. We're letting our military slowly be decimated by
both sides of a conflict we created.

We have been overly proud, arrogant and foolish... the things the enemy
says that we are that will lead to our downfall.

The War in Iraq is equal to the allies dealing with Nazi Germany by
invading Argentina.

The modern equivalent of Chamberlin's declaration:

"I don't believe capturing Osama Bin Laden is a priority right now."
- George W. Bush, when asked why Bin Laden is still at large

More troops needed in Afghanistan


What about the other side? Shouldn't take some responsability for the provocation? People really forget what we have suffered... Is it because we do not live in the middle of nowhere, we are scientific advanced, have money and like confort?
Sorry but it is not western fault in the way those people live and breed!!! Look at the palestinian, always fighting, i really believe they ll never stop, they enjoy it:!!!:no: We did what we had to do, osama or not, soon we are going to catch every last of them!!
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 06:34 am
@Curmudgeon,
The problem is two-fold: Muslim societies are uncivilized and Islam powerfully reinforces barbarism. The religion was created by a barbarian to serve barbarians. There is no such thing as 'civilized Islam'. It just doesn't exist. Its psychology, theology and sociology are definitively barbaric.

The West has succumbed to the social cancer of PC to the extent it refuses to face facts. Before PC became the new god of Western Man, he understood Islam for what it is, and dealt with it accordingly. Now, however, he's lost in a fanatasy world he created for himself, beginning in the 1960s.

Ironically, the Jews of America must shoulder much of the blame for this sad development. They fostered PC via Hollywood and the media for decades, never suspecting it would manifest itself in an American unwillingness to defend effectively U.S. interests abroad or those of ISRAEL in the Middle East.
Now that they realize the folly of 'de-fanging' America, they've switched sides. They've become neo-conservatives, they who want the old, butt-kicking United States of the WWII era back, fighting like hell to secure Israeli interests in the Middle East.

But it might be too late. The U.S. has become a hesitant super-power, to say the least, filled with doubt, paralyzed by in-fighting, confused and afraid.
This is what happens whenever a great people surrenders its identity to alien forces, either foreign or domestic.

Western Man must return to his roots, consolidate power within his homelands, and start fighting to preserve his own way of life. He must not allow ANYONE to manipulate him. :headbang:
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 06:37 am
@Curmudgeon,
Double post.
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Sherman cv
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 12:16 pm
@Curmudgeon,
I crave for the US of World War II, as well, i do not think that science techonology was relevant to the change, though. Instead i believe was the fall of comunism and Russia to create a world unbalanced, the expansion of mulisms rising like a cancer everywhere, and a cautious USA, particularly after 9/11. As long as Russia presence was active in Afganistan those poeple were afraid even to breath, today they hide behing civil groups, ethnic differences, human rights and cultural councils; you name it! Only to exsecute their dirty agenda without the possibility to be stopped...Scary!!!!
It is western fault, we have given this people the instruments to hurt us, now the only thing we can do is keep fighting and possibly come up with a critical plan, not necessarily military but a rebound strategy based on ingeniousness....Very Happy

And so my fellow Americans : ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizen of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together can do for the freedom of man!!:
from John Fitzgerald Kennedy
inaugural address 1961


God Bless America and hell to all its enemies!!!:headbang:
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Red cv
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 03:51 pm
@Pinochet73,
It's nice to be among people who don't need to scream to be heard. The problem with Extreme Islam is that it has many faces, the violent one we see in the news. The quiet voices that preach in Mosques to hate us, to over come us and to destroy the "West" from within. The so called moderates in Canada tried to get Sharia Law passed, thankfully they didn't. Systematically enforcing their "Tribal Beliefs" on democratic countries and those of us who don't agree are called names and bullied. So are we to fight for our culture or allow the Socialist to force PCness down our throats thus silencing those who don't want to accept a Tribal Belief system in the West.

We could have peace with Islam but the entire text of the Koran is written to fight and win a war. The bible isn't a book of war, there are parts that are barbaric but we don't practice 17century interpretations of the Bible. This is what is happening in Muslim Countries, they are embracing the Wahhabi Islam which is the most violent and restrictive to females and children.

Why are we so reluctant to fight for our Culture and freedoms?
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 07:43 pm
@Pinochet73,
It foolishly thinks it can survive anything and everything without lifting a finger to defend itself. It has also succumbed to materialism, such that it refuses to replenish its populations naturally, in favor of leisure, disposable income and 'stuff'. Accordingly, it has opted to repopulate the continent by way of widespread alien immigration. The on-rushing human waves now threaten to drown it.

In the throes of this post-modernist hallucinaction, the West actually believes it's acceptable to surrender its destiny and fate to whomever wants it. So be it. That it shall have. It shall also have a slow, agonizing death. I for one will go down fighting. I'd prefer a bullet between the eyes than a dull sword sawing through my neck. :headbang:
Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jan, 2007 09:57 pm
@Pinochet73,
They'll not get the opportunity to use a sword on me.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jan, 2007 06:21 am
@Curmudgeon,
the resurrection of Christendom, and the survival of Western Civilization. I place these ideals above everything else. The Christian people are ONE people, regardless of race or ethnicity. They are ONE. They are called to re-unite and take strong measures to reclaim their place in history. The campaign begins with self-reconversion and one's deliberate adoption of the Way of the Christian Warrior, in whatever station in life one finds himself. :devilheadbang:
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Sherman cv
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jan, 2007 01:16 pm
@Curmudgeon,
English did a very stupid things trying to make up for the history of imperialism In Asia....They screwed up all the bloody system, they created a multicultural conflicted society, not equal at all...The so called minorities can cheat, steal, harrass, they are allowed to use anything against anyone...And we are left paralyzed with fear of repurcussion if speak up; not from those minorities but by our own governament and laws....So i will be happy when those people will be remainded to f...ing back off with any means ncessary...I would like to bit the **** out of them if i could!!! Antisocial scum!!!



Asians in Britain Brief Historical Outline
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jan, 2007 06:53 pm
@Curmudgeon,
and live accordingly. Our every thought and deed must be geared in some way toward rebuilding a decidedly Christian West. Fascism is not the answer, but neither is unqualified internationalism. The West and Greater West (the Americas, Australia and New Zealand) must unite in the context of ecumenical Christianity and pan-European culturalism (NOT racialism, but culturalism). Say 'no' to both Islam and Red China. Say 'no' now, and forever more. :headbang:
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Doly
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jan, 2007 07:05 pm
@Pinochet73,
We have made the same mistake in Iraq that we made in S. Korea and S. Vietnam. We got involved in wars where we were not prepared to do what we needed to do to win. We have not made the necessary commitment to win any war since WWII. Hence, I think every soldier who has died since WWII has been a senseless death and a life wasted. The responsibility for these deaths rest with the leaders who had the power to send them to their deaths.
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