Israel and the middle east.

Hi Ken,

Yes.

Thank you, and be brilliant.

Mark...

Well something like that, yes. I was saying that since Jews did not think that the injustice done to them merited blowing up little kids, arabs might have thought the same way. I guess not, though. Well, as is said, different strokes for different folks. I was pointing out a moral difference.

, as is said, different strokes for different folks. I was pointing out a moral difference.

I just thought about it. I have no idea what you are driving at. My question is, have you?

There, you said it, you really are stupid enough to say such nonsense for the pure reason as to try and correct someone. It is true that the arabs should try and result matters in a not so violent and extremist fashion, but than again we are not talking about the forceful taking of small towns or villages, but a whole state are we not? do you really believe these pig zionists will leave by means of peaceful suggestion? If you can come up such diplomacy ken, I might consider the use of military force as inappropriate.



Ahh, of course! kenethammy pointing out moral differences.
:a-ok: nice one!

Xris and Soul Bro.

As to say only Natives have right to land then what your saying is all humans should be rounded up and brought to what is modern day Iraq. Xris, if you follow what you preach then all Norman's, Saxon's, and Roman's should leave England and allow the Irish to retake your home. Doesn't that sound a bit ridiculous? Soul Bro, if your "native Austrailian" then you need to move yourself back to Madagascar. If your something else, then your either a British prisoner or one of their prison gaurds.

Do you see where im going with this???

I am with you on the solution but you cant ignore the fact that Israel was born from an illegal act whatever the reasoning.

What occupation?........................

You do seem to let your emotions get the better of you. When you can make a rational argument, try again.

By the way, those pig zionists are certainly not leaving because people try to blow them up. It is said that one of the definitions of insanity is to keep doing the same thing even when it has not worked in the past). Try a tranquillizer.

Most nations are. We tend to trace our nation back to 1066, when William the Conqueror deposed the legitimate king. Wales was conquered in a hostile war by Edward II. Ireland was bought and sold. Scotland joined the union of it's own free will I suppose.

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That of much of the previously independant states of Gaza and the West Bank.

This is why jews have always being against the establishment of Israel, but do you think the zionists care for any of this? not the least amount, for this land is much too precious, and as I said before they will stop at NOTHING to secure it.

It would seem unfair to have absolute belief in a god that has created everything that exists and that with out you would not be, then after everything this god has done for you, you simply refuse to abide by the few things that he has asked from you simply because it does not suit you.

Think about it, what you are saying makes no sense, you are suggesting that it would be okay to take all the rewards but then simply ignore some of the rules as and when it suits you, and then what, they also expect to get into heaven? If people are going to go by there own rules, what would be the point of following a religion in the first place?

Real jews love and respect their god, as such they fully acknowledge and respect their exile from the land, so much so that it is mentioned in prayers.

Xris and Soul Bro.

As to say only Natives have right to land then what your saying is all humans should be rounded up and brought to what is modern day Iraq. Xris, if you follow what you preach then all Norman's, Saxon's, and Roman's should leave England and allow the Irish to retake your home. Doesn't that sound a bit ridiculous? Soul Bro, if your "native Austrailian" then you need to move yourself back to Madagascar. If your something else, then your either a British prisoner or one of their prison gaurds.

Do you see where im going with this???

Gaza and the West Bank were states? I must have missed that episode in world history.

Israel is not doing a good job of occupation of Gaza if it cannot stop bombardment from Gaza. What is wrong with those occupying troops?

So you are telling me that if the palestinians forget about the matter, the zionists will get up leave? sounds to me like a very unlikely proposition.
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Why assassinate Palestinian moderates then? Why steal land and water supplies from neighbouring states? Why have pregnant Palestinian women stand at roadblocks in the beating sun until they miscarry?

During an awful war, both sides are going to do awful things. During WWII did we not pick out the Japanesse and take them to our own relocation camps? We destroyed careers and lives that way many Japanesse couldn't regain normal lives and its a shame.

The British did horrible things under King John against the Lords.

Its hard to be nice to someone who hates you.

Xris and Soul Bro.

As to say only Natives have right to land then what your saying is all humans should be rounded up and brought to what is modern day Iraq. Xris, if you follow what you preach then all Norman's, Saxon's, and Roman's should leave England and allow the Irish to retake your home. Doesn't that sound a bit ridiculous? Soul Bro, if your "native Austrailian" then you need to move yourself back to Madagascar. If your something else, then your either a British prisoner or one of their prison gaurds.

Do you see where im going with this???

They were both designated as states during 1948 by the League of Nations at the same time it acknowledged the creation of Israel itself.
Agreed - they do a woeful and counterproductive job that results in the grievances that the likes of Hamas publicise in order to 'justify' their own atrocities.

Again, you seem to be suggesting that jews - alone of all religions in the world - cleave in a particular strict interpretation of their book.

This is like saying "every christian should spend a good portion of their lives studying lillies and never contemplating the future - that's what Jesus literally advises!"

less orthodox jews wish to live in Israel - good for them provided they don't use it as an excuse to opress others.

strawman characterisation - not every jew is a pious and sanctimonious jew reading the torah according to some version of a particular rabbinical literalism which isn't even shared by all rabbis.

Some jews probably care very little about tenants of the jewish faith, but identify themselves along familial or cultural lines.

Because religions are social clubs providing the adherants with an easily accessable sense of self and purpose defined through common stories, values and rituals that they can partipate in with varying degrees of zeal. Again, most christians do not stay awake at night wondering what it's like to be a lily.

This is a common logical fallacy termed the no true Scotsman. You are essentially deciding for yourself what it means to be a "real" jew - then applying that standard to the gestalt.