Israel and the middle east.

Yes, I agree. But the Jews have nowhere to go. So what would you expect them to do?

The Israeli and Palestinian problem is an example of the old maxim "violence begets violence" and that an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth leaves the world toothless and blind.

Terrorism induces repression and heightened security which invariably results in a loss of freedom and progress. The non violent protest and resistance of injustice would likely be more effective against a representative democracy such as Israel that at least theoretically is committed to human rights and moral action.

Why do they need somwhere to go?!
They never lost citazinship is any country!
They come from their place of birth and go to Israel then say, 'Ohhh am i not wanted here... i've no where els to go!'
It is the Palestinians that have no where to go ):

Propaganda is all you will see on T.V
If you hear Hamas what do you think?
If you hear Hisbollah what do you think?

They are NOT terrorist organisations. Hisbollar is the "National liberation army of lebenon." Just like any army but because they are trying to get rid of israels illegal occupation of south lebennon they are 'terrorists',

Very sad that T.V has become the ultimate truth.

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I believe this totaly nice post (:
Unfortunatly the palestinians tried peaceful protest for twenty years, then Israels started to shoot them. ):
Which resulted in the forming of Hamas (Primarily not a militant group)
So in my opinion action needs to be taken against israel. what im not sure.

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Hamas spend about 85% of there expenditure on education and community building.

When Israel withdrew from Gaza, Hamas began shooting rockets at civilians in Israel, and cried foul when Israel invaded Gaza to stop the rockets. That is the story in a nutshell of Israel and Palestinians.

When Israel withdrew from Gaza, Hamas began shooting rockets at civilians in Israel, and cried foul when Israel invaded Gaza to stop the rockets. That is the story in a nutshell of Israel and Palestinians.

You are funny. You can't pretend like Israel was the innocent victim just trying to do a nice thing, and then got attacked for it. It doesn't work like that. Israel has always been in the wrong, so what do you expect?

It's nothing different than the US invading Iraq and then the Iraqis attack the US troops. You are justifying the US troops then killing the Iraqis because well they attacked the US troops. Well if the troops were not invading to begin with, they wouldn't be attacked. I like how you conveniently neglect to acknowledge the first crime and act like Israel was attacked for no reason.

But what gave the Palestinians the right to say that the Jews were not wanted? There were many Jews already in Palestine at the time. And, in fact, the Jews had two nations there in ancient times. The Palestinians who lived there had never had any kind of government there. They were nomads. The Palestinians never had any title to the land. You need to read a little history.

What gave Europe the right to come over and take North America from the Native Americans? Surely by advocating the Jews having control of the land because they were first you believe that America should give all of America back to the Native Americans because they were here first as well...correct?

Terrorism induces repression and heightened security which invariably results in a loss of freedom and progress. The non violent protest and resistance of injustice would likely be more effective against a representative democracy such as Israel that at least theoretically is committed to human rights and moral action.

Tell it to Doctor Thabet. Every time a Palestinian leader committed to human rights and moral action sticks his neck up and tries to gather support Isreal responds by murdering him.

The "Palestinians need to get themselves a Ghandi equivalent" argument is one of the most frustrating to hear. Why should the onus be on the powerless oppressed to provide a path to peace? Why can't the onus be on those with tanks and white phosphorous bombs to try and be a bit less arbitrary in meting out destruction and death?

Ah yes, those powerless bombers of school buses. What do you expect them to do? Target soldiers and not little kids? It is excusable (maybe even justifiable) to target little kids when you are powerless. You see, the little kids are powerless too, and that makes it just fine. Allahu Akbar!

Do you know how many Palestinian children are killed by the IDF for every Isreali child killed by Palestinian terrorists?

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How is that supposed to be relevant whatever the answer is? Were the Palestinian children intentionally targeted by the IDF? Perhaps you can address that. It seems to make a moral difference. When you answer that, the comparison will become relevant.

Yeah, children clearly are sometimes intentionally targeted by the IDF. Google it.

children targeted by the idf - Google Search=
Palestinian Children Killed by Israel

I like the way you avoid my questions whilst suggesting I can't answer yours. What a hypocrite you are.

If even true, "sometimes" is the operative word. It is not done as a policy, if it is ever done at all.

Try "Allahu Akbar". Sometimes that seems to work.

Clearly it is done time and time again. The IDF treat the Palestinians like untermenschen.

I don't believe for a second that you are familiar with IDF policy - but let's take you at your word - what do you think of the "Policy of Injuries", which is an article of IDF procedure?

Not a rhetorical query, by the way.

I would bet that you don't know of it.

And to be frank, this is why I feel I have to be harsh with you, because on one hand you'll tell others to read their history, but on the other will deny that Gaza was ever governed or claim that Palestinians were nomadic.

I'd respect the thrust of your argument more if you'd avoid the strawman characterisations and fielded a few of the queries your own somewhat bewildering claims engendered.

Rather than ignoring them and responding to criticism of the IDF with the equivalent of "you must support/excuse terrorism then". No - but the horror of a terrorist campaign does not justify the horror of a disproportionately oppressive occupation and the collective punishments (including arbitrary killing of more civilians than were ever killed by terrorism) meted out by the IDF.

Hamas are terrorists - and so are the IDF.

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Look, you either want us to avoid the ad homs or not. Are you a hypocrite or what?

But yeah - replace Allahu Akbar with "this land is mine by divine right" and I suppose any foul act actually is justified, eh?

Being occupied was their choice, by the way. They chose it in 1948, they chose again it by rejecting the Camp David accord and beginning the second Intifada.

It's not really begging the question if it's supported with evidence is it? .

It begs the question if it assumes what is at issue.

I assume a deliberate carelessness or callousness towards Palestinian civilians - including children - is an issue because you brought the targeting of children up as something the IDF does not do.

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