Israel and the middle east.

Are Israels actions of murder, genocide, oppresion and occupation in the middle east equal to the immorality of the nazis during WWII?
Sounds Almost rediculous, but what makes the killing of the many worse than the killing of a few (not that its a few). Joseph stalin said, 'one death is a tradgaty, a million is a statistic.'

Are Israels actions of murder, genocide, oppresion and occupation in the middle east equal to the immorality of the nazis during WWII?
Sounds Almost rediculous, but what makes the killing of the many worse than the killing of a few (not that its a few). Joseph stalin said, 'one death is a tradgaty, a million is a statistic.'

It's "not that immoral" only because big USA are there to fend off any harsh critisism, surely many have tryed to vaguely point out all the wrong doings Ireal are doing, but big USA are there to back them up, and Isreal always whine you bad bad antisemetics! ..whenever they feel just a little pressed and caught in their misdeeds.

..it's sickening, basicly I don't see any difference, it's both immensly cynically, no one dares step in only because of USA.

..it has to stop!

What really puzzles me, is why all the presidents who have tryed to make peace in the middle east, doesn't first kick Isreal in the nuts, to really show that they mean buisness, and doesn't side with anyone! Why are the presidents such big idiots?

Guess only american presidents can be that utterly stupid.

Actually the reason they support Israel is because the Christian leaders at the time of establishing it, believed they could self fulfill a prophecy. That once Israel was established their beloved Jesus could return. There is only one problem though. There is a masc sitting on the site where the temple is suppose to be rebuilt before Jesus can show up. I would not be surprised if within the next ten years or so, that masc gets conveniently destroyed by a "off target US missile"

These leaders want Jesus to return so bad, they don't care who has to suffer in the process. Who has to lose their home, and who gets killed in the cross fire. All that matters to them is that Jesus will return. But to make it happen a bunch of people need to lose their lives. This is the ONLY reason they wanted to establish Isreal where it currently is. I mean if they really wanted to find a home for the Jews, why not pick some place that actually wanted them?

Eh, who was there who did not want them?

Um try the Palestinians. They are stealing their land, but I thought I mentioned that already.

But what gave the Palestinians the right to say that the Jews were not wanted? There were many Jews already in Palestine at the time. And, in fact, the Jews had two nations there in ancient times. The Palestinians who lived there had never had any kind of government there. They were nomads. The Palestinians never had any title to the land. You need to read a little history.

You are trying to bend what I was saying. The US came in and basically told the Palestinians they had to leave. Not only that but year after year Israel takes more and more from Palestine. Check the maps from when Israel was first established to present day and you will see the constant encroachment.

Think about it. Imagine some foreigners coming into your home at gun point and telling you, "This is not your home anymore, go some where else." That is exactly what did and is happening. The Palestinians get labeled the bad guys but as far as I can tell the only bad guys are the Israelis and US backers.

It does not matter if they had any government there or not. It was their home. So you mean to tell me that if you can't provide any governmental backing for your home then anyone should be allowed to come in and take it?

"The Palestinians never had any title to the land. You need to read a little history."

So you are saying that the Jews always held the title to the land?

In my opinion, I think it is very sad that many people die because of land.

Yes, I agree. But the Jews have nowhere to go. So what would you expect them to do?

Perhaps come sort of compromise on both sides.

Actually the reason they support Israel is because the Christian leaders at the time of establishing it, believed they could self fulfill a prophecy. That once Israel was established their beloved Jesus could return. There is only one problem though. There is a mosque sitting on the site where the temple is suppose to be rebuilt before Jesus can show up. I would not be surprised if within the next ten years or so, that mosque gets conveniently destroyed by a "off target US missile".

These leaders want Jesus to return so bad, they don't care who has to suffer in the process. Who has to lose their home, and who gets killed in the cross fire. All that matters to them is that Jesus will return. But to make it happen a bunch of people need to lose their lives. This is the ONLY reason they wanted to establish Israel where it currently is. I mean if they really wanted to find a home for the Jews, why not pick some place that actually wanted them?

This doesn't really account for the idiotic and cynically behaviour of Isreal, and illigal expantions of walls and settlements.

I can see you are neutral about the matter. When the Arabs concede Israel's right to exist, we'll see. Until that, it is the Palestinians who are foolish.

What you said was that the Jews were not wanted. And I pointed out that there was no one there who was entitled not to want the Jews there. Isn't that right? Now, it was not the United States who told the Palestinians they had to leave. The other Arab states told that to the Palestinians promising them they would take over when the Jews were defeated. Well, it did not work out that way, as we know. In fact, Israel was establish by an almost unanimous vote by the United Nations. And, guess which nation was the very first to recognize Israel as a state. It was the Soviet Union. What I am saying is that if any group held title, it was the Jews. De facto, the last autonomous government there was that of the Jews. But, of course, that was a very long time ago. Since then it was the Romans, then the Ottoman Empire, and then, after the First World War, it was a British protectorate. There was never an Palestinian government there. There were nomads there, and few settlements except for the Jewish settlements. Read some history.

Now, that is a nice objectively neutral question. Have you any more like them? For example, "How do you feel about the Palestinians who are terrorists, and who bomb innocent people for no good reason except that they hate Jews?".

But what gave the Palestinians the right to say that the Jews were not wanted? There were many Jews already in Palestine at the time. And, in fact, the Jews had two nations there in ancient times. The Palestinians who lived there had never had any kind of government there. They were nomads. The Palestinians never had any title to the land. You need to read a little history.

What you said was that the Jews were not wanted. And I pointed out that there was no one there who was entitled not to want the Jews there. Isn't that right? Now, it was not the United States who told the Palestinians they had to leave. The other Arab states told that to the Palestinians promising them they would take over when the Jews were defeated. Well, it did not work out that way, as we know. In fact, Israel was establish by an almost unanimous vote by the United Nations. And, guess which nation was the very first to recognize Israel as a state. It was the Soviet Union. What I am saying is that if any group held title, it was the Jews. De facto, the last autonomous government there was that of the Jews. But, of course, that was a very long time ago. Since then it was the Romans, then the Ottoman Empire, and then, after the First World War, it was a British protectorate. There was never an Palestinian government there. There were nomads there, and few settlements except for the Jewish settlements. Read some history.