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President Obama's Nobel Peace Prize

 
 
Didymos Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 13 Oct, 2009 11:40 am
@Sorryel,
The people who voted on the award have already made statements as to why they elected Barack. Why are you people struggling with their reasoning, via absurd strawmen, when the full explanations are available?
kennethamy
 
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Reply Tue 13 Oct, 2009 11:47 am
@Didymos Thomas,
Didymos Thomas;97217 wrote:
The people who voted on the award have already made statements as to why they elected Barack. Why are you people struggling with their reasoning, via absurd strawmen, when the full explanations are available?


Because their explanations are ludicrous. Just read them.
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Sorryel
 
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Reply Tue 13 Oct, 2009 11:52 am
@EmperorNero,
EmperorNero;97215 wrote:
If they reward Obamas ideas, their prize is purely a political side-taking.


Ooops! Not more people to call fascist nazi socialist commies? What is the world coming to!
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EmperorNero
 
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Reply Tue 13 Oct, 2009 11:54 am
@Didymos Thomas,
Didymos Thomas;97217 wrote:
The people who voted on the award have already made statements as to why they elected Barack. Why are you people struggling with their reasoning, via absurd strawmen, when the full explanations are available?


I am referring to their reasoning. What of their reasoning negates my point that the award was political side taking?

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Sorryel;97223 wrote:
Ooops! Not more people to call fascist nazi socialist commies? What is the world coming to!


I don't understand. Please elaborate.
Sorryel
 
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Reply Tue 13 Oct, 2009 11:59 am
@EmperorNero,
EmperorNero;97224 wrote:


I don't understand. Please elaborate.


I think the committee might have had a hedonist on it.
EmperorNero
 
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Reply Tue 13 Oct, 2009 12:06 pm
@Sorryel,
Sorryel;97228 wrote:
I think the committee might have had a hedonist on it.


They are Euro socialist commies. :Glasses:
Dave Allen
 
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Reply Tue 13 Oct, 2009 12:38 pm
@EmperorNero,
EmperorNero;97231 wrote:
They are Euro socialist commies. :Glasses:

Yeah, one of them's also a necromancer and another one's a vampire who buggers dogs.
EmperorNero
 
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Reply Tue 13 Oct, 2009 01:52 pm
@Dave Allen,
Dave Allen;97243 wrote:
Yeah, one of them's also a necromancer and another one's a vampire who buggers dogs.


What's your point? Are your even making an argument or disagreeing with me?
What else than sharing their Euro lefty view on the world did they give the Nobel price for?
How is it not political side-taking?
They must think that punishing the economy in the name of global warming is more important than smuggling thousands of Jewish babies out of the holocaust.
Dave Allen
 
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Reply Tue 13 Oct, 2009 02:08 pm
@EmperorNero,
EmperorNero;97265 wrote:
What's your point? Are your even making an argument or disagreeing with me?

My point is that if you're going to bandy about silly insults like "commie" just because someone doesn't agree with your own politics you might as well go the whole hog and call them undead dog-buggerers.

I mean, whyever not? If you're going to libel people at least use some imagination.

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What else than sharing their Euro lefty view on the world did they give the Nobel price for?

Nothing. That's what they often give it for.

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How is it not political side-taking?

I imagine it is, I even said so earlier in the thread. It's always a politically slanted award, and often used to encourage a work in progress.

Such as the Arafat/Rabin accord, or the Hume/Trimble stop the Troubles award, etc...

The woman who saved Jewish Babies didn't win then either - that didn't bother you at the time, because you weren't interested in the award until now, I suppose.

And that's because of your own side-taking.

Which I support your right to have, by the way.

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They must think that punishing the economy in the name of global warming is more important than smuggling thousands of Jewish babies out of the holocaust.

What if they do? Global warming might well end up killing more than thousands. If Bangladesh floods there could well be 1,000,000,000 refugees. Can they stay at your house? That would be a war to gasp at wouldn't it?

People who live near the sea won't just drown or starve will they? They'll want to go somewhere else, and the people living somewhere else will want to stop them, and they'll fight each other.

Thousands sounds like a very arbitrary number, by the way. How many Jewish Babies were saved by this lass really?

EDIT: Are you referring to Irena Sendler, nominated for the 2007 prize, who saved 2500 Polish people (including but not limited to babies) who could not be nominated for this year's prize as she died before nominations were taken?
EmperorNero
 
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Reply Tue 13 Oct, 2009 02:46 pm
@Dave Allen,
Dave Allen;97271 wrote:
Nothing. That's what they often give it for.

I imagine it is, I even said so earlier in the thread. It's always a politically slanted award, and often used to encourage a work in progress.


Well, okay then.

Dave Allen;97271 wrote:
The woman who saved Jewish Babies didn't win then either - that didn't bother you at the time, because you weren't interested in the award until now, I suppose.


I had pretty much the same view of Al Gore receiving the Nobel peace prize than I do now.

Dave Allen;97271 wrote:
What if they do? Global warming might well end up killing more than thousands. If Bangladesh floods there could well be 1,000,000,000 refugees. Can they stay at your house? That would be a war to gasp at wouldn't it?

People who live near the sea won't just drown or starve will they? They'll want to go somewhere else, and the people living somewhere else will want to stop them, and they'll fight each other.


Depends if you believe in global warming. Even if you do, those effects are not predicted before the year 3000.
Making that 0.00000000000000364% better is really a great achievement. Some invented hypothetical hyped crisis is more important than real achievements? All environmental doomsday scenarios turned out to be wrong: Global cooling, nuclear winter, population bomb, running out of oil. Just a few out of the top of my head. And you remember how society failed and the cannibalism after y2k?
But this one is real! And it's really important to act now! Right.
I believe global warming was invented to get back at the evil rich industrial nations for being mean to the third world. So what's wrong about insulting that worldview?
I don't believe that politicians really believe in global warming. For one simple reason. Why would they care? Politicians usually don't care unless they gain something by them the next election. So why does the Democrat party care that the world will be warmer in a thousand years? It doesn't make any sense.

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Dave Allen;97271 wrote:
EDIT: Are you referring to Irena Sendler, nominated for the 2007 prize, who saved 2500 Polish people (including but not limited to babies) who could not be nominated for this year's prize as she died before nominations were taken?


I actually have no idea, I head it on talk radio.
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EmperorNero
 
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Reply Wed 14 Oct, 2009 07:59 pm
@Dave Allen,
So all I have to do to get a Nobel peace prize is inventing a doomsday scenario that might potentially kill even more people than that, and then hypothetically be for fighting it.
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Wed 14 Oct, 2009 11:41 pm
@Didymos Thomas,
Didymos Thomas;97217 wrote:
The people who voted on the award have already made statements as to why they elected Barack. Why are you people struggling with their reasoning, via absurd strawmen, when the full explanations are available?


Because the explanations are fatuous, and impossible to take seriously?
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kennethamy
 
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Reply Thu 15 Oct, 2009 06:20 pm
@Sorryel,
Apparently, according to an Oslo newspaper, three out of five of the Nobel committee were opposed to awarding the prize to Obama. But were talked into it by the chairman who used to be Prime Minister. Who then said that the award was unanimous.
EmperorNero
 
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Reply Thu 15 Oct, 2009 06:26 pm
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;97783 wrote:
Apparently, according to an Oslo newspaper, three out of five of the Nobel committee were opposed to awarding the prize to Obama. But were talked into it by the chairman who used to be Prime Minister. Who then said that the award was unanimous.


So the Nobel peace prize is awarded by one Norwegian minister. Okay.
I would think that it finally lost all credibility, but people are stupid and have a short memory.
kennethamy
 
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Reply Thu 15 Oct, 2009 06:35 pm
@EmperorNero,
EmperorNero;97785 wrote:
So the Nobel peace prize is awarded by one Norwegian minister. Okay.
I would think that it finally lost all credibility, but people are stupid and have a short memory.


No. According to the Oslo paper, two voted for it. three opposed, to begin with. Then, the chair somehow persuaded the three opposed to change their votes.
Didymos Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 15 Oct, 2009 10:11 pm
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;97558 wrote:
Because the explanations are fatuous, and impossible to take seriously?


Except that I, and many others, disagree with you. So, would you like to address their explanations specifically and explain why they are, in fact, "fatuous".

kennethamy;97783 wrote:
Apparently, according to an Oslo newspaper, three out of five of the Nobel committee were opposed to awarding the prize to Obama. But were talked into it by the chairman who used to be Prime Minister. Who then said that the award was unanimous.


Well, if they happened to vote in favor of giving Obama the award, then the decision was, in fact, unanimous.

So what if, at first, there was opposition? Some people are capable of listening to sound advice and taking said advice to heart. It's really not so strange, and quite different from an inexplicable "somehow".
kennethamy
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 01:58 am
@Didymos Thomas,
Didymos Thomas;97808 wrote:
Except that I, and many others, disagree with you. So, would you like to address their explanations specifically and explain why they are, in fact, "fatuous".



Well, if they happened to vote in favor of giving Obama the award, then the decision was, in fact, unanimous.

So what if, at first, there was opposition? Some people are capable of listening to sound advice and taking said advice to heart. It's really not so strange, and quite different from an inexplicable "somehow".



I am not going through the "explanations" seriatum. But most of them seem to assume that a prize can be given for something hoped for, but not done. Most of them are simply rationalizations for either taking another swipe at President Bush, or expressing relief that President Obama seems to agree with them about United States foreign policy. Neither are good reasons for bestowing an award. (There is no reason to think that those who were opposed listened to sound advice rather than had their arms twisted).
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Alan McDougall
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 03:40 am
@Sorryel,
President Omaba did not deserve the Nobel peace prize it smacks of patronization to me
kennethamy
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 06:25 am
@Alan McDougall,
Alan McDougall;97845 wrote:
President Omaba did not deserve the Nobel peace prize it smacks of patronization to me


Are you sure the word you want is "patronization"?
Didymos Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 16 Oct, 2009 06:32 am
@kennethamy,
Oh, so the reasons are not fatuous - you just disagree with the criteria for being deserving of the award in the first place.
 

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