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Is the Confederate Flag a symbol of racism?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 01:51 pm
@izzythepush,
So you are agreeing with me that we should ENCOURAGE people to fly the flags of their choice, so that we can tell roughly what they believe??

I have long said that same thing about words....I what people to be able and willing to use the words of their choice, to make it easier for me to know what is on their minds. I dont want to limit speech or flag flying, I go in the opposite direction, because unlike modern scaredy cat small thinkers with no faith in humanity I dont fear ideas that I dont agree with or bad ideas , I dont conceptualize them as being almost exactly like viruses that need to be killed at all costs. Bring all of your ideas, good bad or otherwise, lets have a fair fight and let free humans make up their own minds about who is right.

But moderns cant do that, because mostly we no longer believe in people. Ideas, our own personally favored ideas (what appeals to our biases mostly) , must be pushed with dishonesty and force, because otherwise it is claimed humanity is doomed. Wrong, humanity is doomed if we can no longer have an free exchange of ideas or an educated honest evaluation of them. And mostly we no longer can.

Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 02:10 pm
@hawkeye10,
Nice attempt at rationalization, Hawk, but no cigar.

Words, symbols, and even ideas have consequences.

You see that.

In fact, you want to stomp out people who want to stomp out certain things...because you do not like the consequences of what they advocate.

Your reasoning has to end up with you opposing what you are advocating.

Take a look at it...and you will see.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 02:20 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Words, symbols, and even ideas have consequences.

I have a feeling that in this case the word "consequences" is meant to mean "retribution for giving voice to what those with the power to control dont want voiced". I say to you that this is a choice, and it is a bad choice. You I think made the same statement about how I can say nigger in a bar but I have to accept the consequences that I am going to get my ass kicked. No I dont, because physically assaulting me because you dont like my words is a bad choice, it is uncivilized and it further degrades civilization. What we see here is a failure to prioritize correctly. Enforced tranquility is the program, at the cost of the nearly complete destruction of the honest and correct communication and evaluation of ideas that the survival of the humans on this Planet depends upon. You people who get behind this bad idea have no sense, you have been poorly educated and you dont know what you are doing, causing great harm in the process.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 02:28 pm
@hawkeye10,
What I am saying, Hawk, is that your argument circles back on you. If your argument is correct...it makes your argument incorrect.

You are in effect condemning people who are condemning things you do not want to see condemned.

In other words you are saying "hate should be allowed" "use of the "N" word should be allowed" "the Stars and Bars should be allowed."

But opposing those things should not be allowed.

Do you see the circle?


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What we see here is a failure to prioritize correctly.


No. What we see here is you deciding you want to the the chief prioritizor...and you determining what can/should be opposed and what can/should not.

Not giving you a tough time on this, Hawk...just pointing out a logical inconsistency of your line of argument.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 02:50 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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But opposing those things should not be allowed.

Opposing in this case and many means not allowing or punishing upon commitment of the act. If opposing meant countering with different words or ideas and letting the listeners decide their own mind as I have advocated then we would be working for a better humanity and a better civilization, but that is not what the vast majority of those who "oppose" these ideas have in mind.


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You are in effect condemning people who are condemning things you do not want to see condemned.
Wrong, because I dont condemn the speaker, I condemn the idea. I am the guy who agrees with the statement " I disagree with everything you just said but I will fight to the death for your right to speak and/or believe that idea". I am in the extreme minority. Nearly everyone else wants to control what is said around them, they think that their rights extend to the right to force those around them to not say or do anything that messes with their tranquility. This is an extremely bad idea.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 02:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
You cannot see the inconsistency in your position...so I'll just leave it for now.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 02:58 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

You cannot see the inconsistency in your position...so I'll just leave it for now.


I know what you are getting at but you state it poorly.....you are believing that the collective has the right to do whatever it wants, and I say no, the collective does not have the right to control the words or contents of the brains of the individuals, and that if it tries anyway that the result will be certain doom for the collective. As I put it earlier, this is an extremely bad idea. The collect does have the power to start down this path, but it does not have to power to bring to life the utopian visions that drive this use of force. Massive pain and destruction will be the result, not utopia.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 03:01 pm
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jun, 2015 03:08 pm
@Frank Apisa,
It is impossible to know, because the digital age changes everything when it comes to civilization collapse and rebirth. But it is very clear that the collapse is rapidly picking up speed. The collapse of the state, the rise of global terrorism, the tide of financial debt swallowing the economic system, the overpopulation, the destruction of language and the lack of honesty and/or intelligence of most stakeholders, and the deep spiritual problems of the human race all argue that we shant have to wait long.

Pursuing bad ideas has consequences. Trying to ram bad ideas down the throats of individuals has even worse consequences. There are now so many fools running around trying to force everyone else to agree with their bad ideas that I dont have any hope that the current world order can be saved. The tipping point was about 20 years ago I reckon.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jun, 2015 03:32 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

So you are agreeing with me

Don't be ridiculous, only a moron/bigot/loser would agree with you.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jun, 2015 03:42 am
@izzythepush,
Why are you here.....what is your stake in the Confederate flag?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jun, 2015 03:47 am
@hawkeye10,
I have no stake in any of your flags, but it's clear the stars and bars is nothing more than a racist symbol brought in to support Jim Crow.

It, unlike the Black Panther and IS flags, has been tolerated because of white privilege, but it's just a backward decrepit nonetheless.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jun, 2015 04:15 am
@Ionus,
wow, do you have to bend over when you talk out your ass like that?
Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jun, 2015 04:20 am
@farmerman,
You are a frustrated homosexual pretending to be heterosexual . Why dont you come out, then maybe you will stop all this sub-conscious obsession that you have with arseholes .
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wow, do you have to bend over when you talk out your ass like that?

There you are A2K, your resident pet scientist . Everyone feel sorry for him and run over and pat his hand .
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jun, 2015 04:22 am
@farmerman,
Laughing That was such a brilliant post you got voted up ! Hatred is alive and well and it is not flying a confederate flag . You and your fans are a living joke .
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jun, 2015 04:40 pm
There. Fixed it.
Now can we all go about our business?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jun, 2015 01:17 am
@farmerman,
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wow, do you have to bend over when you talk out your ass like that?
Very Happy I love this post ! Up to 7 ! That is what passes for scholarship at A2K.... senility and abuse...no wonder you are so popular Gomer, publish your real name so the scientific world can enjoy your posts too ! I bet that one took most of the night and four bottles ! I hope stress doesnt kill you before I get bored with the sheer idiocy of your fan club . Always a pleasure... Very Happy
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jun, 2015 01:34 am
@Ionus,
tell us what we want to hear and we will love you forever......
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jun, 2015 02:31 am
@hawkeye10,
Posters like you have taken crap for years whilst they down thumbed you for being you...these same senile clowns think they are freedom lovers...no thinking brain in the world would do what they do, it is pure emotion....emotion called hate . They would do well under a Nazi flag but here they are complaining about the Rebel flag...perhaps because it never feels like you have destroyed something if it still has a symbol .
 

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