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Muslim Arrested in NYC Car Bomb Attack

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 06:44 pm
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

Are you comparing an act of terror with an act of war ? Are you like a hippy-anti-Vietnam -war-protestor who never let go ? Why are you living your life filled with such hate...and for your side too...how many Christians commit terrorist acts compred to Muslims ? Dont try and down play the Muslims and their role in terror. people like you contribute nothing to solving the problem. You are happy to live in denial and blame those around you because if you blamed the Muslims you might get a bomb up your arse.


Bravo!
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 06:56 pm
@H2O MAN,
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Are you offering to share your advanced bomb making skills with Muslim extremest?


Bombs? You realty think that bombs are the worst means of warfare against a high tech society?

It nice that this last nut could not even set an alarm clock correctly let alone build a working bomb, but lord help us all if those terrorists ever get a few engineers as members that understand the underlying Infrastructure needed to keep any large population center alive.

Picture New York or any large world class city without electric not for a day but a week or more . Picture something happening to prevent the two old tunnels build a hundred year ago from delivering the main water supply to New York city from the upper part of New York State.

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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 06:56 pm
@Ionus,
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Are you comparing an act of terror with an act of war ?


Those were illegal invasions, unwarranted intrusions in the affairs of sovereign states. Attempting to and or forcing a change of government is the definition of terrorism.

Have you been indicted for your war crimes yet?
Ceili
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 06:59 pm
Just off the top of my head... IRA, UVF et al... Red brigade, Klu Klux Klan, Hutaree, Aryan Nations, anti abortion groups blah, blah, blah
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 07:07 pm
@JTT,
terrorism (n) - act of terrorism, terrorist act - the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear

war (n) - the waging of armed conflict against an enemy; "thousands of people were killed in the war" ;
a legal state created by a declaration of war and ended by official declaration during which the international rules of war apply : "war was declared in November but actual fighting did not begin until the following spring"
an active struggle between competing entities : "a price war"; "a war of wits"; "diplomatic warfare"

make or wage war - a concerted campaign to end something that is injurious; "the war on poverty"; "the war against crime"; "the war against terror"

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Those were illegal invasions
According to who ?


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Have you been indicted for your war crimes yet?
Have you stopped raging at people who wont do what you say ? Perhaps the world is more complicated than to follow your simplistic hippy demands.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 07:08 pm
@Ceili,
The IRA, that's a funny one, innit it? One has to wonder how many American citizens were sending money to help the Irish "terrorists" blow up the British "invaders"?

I wonder, if, say, thru that same period, there had been a Southerners "terrorist" group bombing and creating general mayhem against the US north and Brits had been sending funds for support, what would the reaction have been?
Ceili
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 07:13 pm
So true. I remember as a kid watching the tin can being passed around for the widow and orphan's fund...
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 07:13 pm
@Ionus,
Vietnam was started, as virtually all US illegal invasions have started by lying. Prior to that and continuing after, it was full fledged terrorism. Read your definition; carpet bombing, free fire zones, napalming villages, gunning down innocents, these were all designed for utmost terror.

You're too young to have been involved in that crime against humanity. What ones have you been involved in? Australia has always been quite the faithful little puppet.
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 07:21 pm
@JTT,
So if the communists had of won the Cold War (and clearly you do not know about the Cuban wars in Africa, Russia and China fighting in the Korean and Vietnam Wars) and they lined up the loud mouths like you and shot them, you would be happy ?
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Australia has always been quite the faithful little puppet.
The term is allied.

When you have a coronary from all this hate you feel, you may take advice and calm down a bit. I know it is frustrating for you not to be the world emperor, but you should have learnt to live with it by now.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 07:29 pm
@JTT,
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Brits had been sending funds for support, what would the reaction have been?


JTT you know so little history it is sad indeed first the British had an agent who name I can not think of at the moment in New England trying his best to get the New England states to break away from the union in the period before the war of 1812. he came very near to reaching his goal.

The Spanish was paying the head of the US military at the time to be a spy and on his suggestion they had troops trying to find and wipe out the Lewis & Clark expedition.

We did not start the power play between major nations and what amount to secret little wars.


JTT
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 07:37 pm
@BillRM,
As I wasn't making any reference to that time period, Bill, it doesn't really matter, does it?
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 07:42 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
So if the communists had of[sic] won the Cold War (and clearly you do not know about the Cuban wars in Africa, Russia and China fighting in the Korean and Vietnam Wars) and they lined up the loud mouths like you and shot them, you would be happy ?


It's one inane thought after another from you, isn't it? Unlike you, Ionus, I don't consider trading off war crimes as acceptable behavior.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 07:45 pm
@JTT,
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As I wasn't making any reference to that time period, Bill, it doesn't really matter, does it?


And what had change concerning human nature or how nation states play the power game from those times?

How current do you wish to have examples of this ongoing state of the world?
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 07:50 pm
@BillRM,
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The New York Times
May 4, 2010
From Suburban Father to a Terrorism Suspect
By JAMES BARRON and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT

They took their places in the wood-paneled courtroom, 58 people from 32 countries. They listened as a federal magistrate banged the gavel and said it was “a wonderful day for the United States”" the day they would become Americans.

The magistrate talked about Thomas Jefferson and told the group that they could run for office " only the presidency and the vice presidency were off limits, according to a tape recording of the proceedings in a Bridgeport, Conn., courtroom last year, on April 17. On her instructions, they raised their right hands and repeated the oath of citizenship.

One man in the group was the Pakistani-born Faisal Shahzad, whose father or grandfather was a Pakistani military official and who, at 29, had spent a decade in the United States, collecting a bachelor’s degree and a master’s degree and landing a job with a Connecticut financial marketing company. He had obtained citizenship through marriage to a woman who was born in Colorado " the authorities say she and their two young children are still in Pakistan, where they believe he was trained in making bombs last year in Waziristan, a tribal area that is a haven for militants. On Saturday, the authorities said, Mr. Shahzad drove a Nissan Pathfinder packed with explosives and detonators, leaving it smoking in Times Square.

About 7 p.m., as a robot from the bomb squad was being summoned to the S.U.V., Mr. Shahzad called his landlord from the train to Connecticut and said he had lost his house keys; in the criminal complaint filed Tuesday, the authorities said the keys had been locked inside the Pathfinder.

“He looked nervous” when he picked up a spare set of keys, said the landlord, Stanislaw Chomiak, who had rented him a two-bedroom apartment in Bridgeport since Feb. 15. “But I thought, of course he’s nervous, he just lost his keys.”

In nearly a dozen years in this country, Mr. Shahzad had gone to school, held steady jobs, purchased and sold real estate and kept his immigration status in good order, giving no sign to those he interacted with that he had connections to terrorists in Pakistan. Nor was there any indication that he would try to wreak havoc in one of the world’s most crowded places, Times Square.

His neighbors in Connecticut said the things neighbors always say about someone who suddenly turns up in the headlines " he was quiet, he was polite, maybe a little different in that he wore traditional garb and went jogging late at night. Like so many others, he lost a house he owned in Shelton, Conn., to foreclosure " a real estate broker who helped him buy it in 2004 remembered that Mr. Shahzad did not like President George W. Bush or the Iraq war.

“I didn’t take it for much,” said the broker, Igor Djuric, “because around that time not many people did.”

George LaMonica, a 35-year-old computer consultant, said he bought his two-bedroom condominium in Norwalk from Mr. Shahzad for $261,000 in May 2004. A few weeks after he moved in, Mr. LaMonica said, investigators from the Joint Terrorism Task Force interviewed him, asking for details of the transaction and for information about Mr. Shahzad. It struck Mr. LaMonica as unusual, but he said detectives told him they were simply “checking everything out.”

Mr. Shahzad was born in Pakistan in 1979, though there is some confusion over where. Officials in Pakistan said it was in Nowshera, an area in northern Pakistan known for its Afghan refugee camps. But on a university application Mr. Shahzad had filled out and was found in the maggot-covered garbage outside the Shelton house on Tuesday, he listed Karachi.

Pakistani officials said Mr. Shahzad was either a son or a grandson of Baharul Haq, who retired as a vice air marshal in 1992 and then joined the Civil Aviation Authority.

A Pakistani official said Mr. Shahzad might have had affiliations with Ilyas Kashmiri, a militant linked to Al Qaeda militant who was formerly associated with Lashkar-e-Taiba, an anti-India militant group once nurtured by the Pakistani state. But friends said the family was well respected and nonpolitical.

“Neither Faisal nor his family has ever had any links with any jihadist or religious organization,” one friend said. Another, a lawyer, said that “the family is in a state of shock,” adding, “They believe that their son has been implicated in a fake case.”

Mr. Shahzad apparently went back and forth to Pakistan often, returning most recently in February after what he said was five months visiting his family, prosecutors said. A Pakistani intelligence official who spoke on condition of anonymity said Mr. Shahzad had traveled with three passports, two from Pakistan and one from the United States; he last secured a Pakistani passport in 2000, describing his nationality as “Kashmiri.”

Mr. Shahzad’s generation grew up in a Pakistan where alcohol had been banned and Islam had been forced into schools and communities as a doctrine and a national glue.

“It’s not that they don’t speak English or aren’t skilled,” a Pakistani official explained. “But in their hearts and in their minds they reject the West. They can’t see a world where they live together; there’s only one way, one right way.”

According to immigration officials, Mr. Shahzad arrived in the United States on Jan. 16, 1999, less than a month after he had been granted a student visa, which requires a criminal background check. He had previously attended a program in Karachi affiliated with the now-defunct Southeastern University in Washington, D.C.; a transcript from the spring of 1998, found in the garbage outside the Shelton house, showed that he got D’s in English composition and microeconomics, B’s in Introduction to Accounting and Introduction to Humanities, and a C in statistics.

He enrolled at the University of Bridgeport, where he received a bachelor’s degree in computer science and engineering in 2001, followed by a master’s in business administration in 2005.

“If this hadn’t happened I would have long forgotten him,” said William Greenspan, Mr. Shahzad’s adviser as an undergraduate. “There are a lot of students you get to know, they call you up once in awhile to say hello, they got a nice job. After he left UB, I never heard anything from him.”

In January 2002 Mr. Shahzad obtained an H1B visa, a coveted status meant for highly skilled workers and good for three years, with a possible extension. Records show that Elizabeth Arden, the cosmetics giant, applied for a visa around that time for a job similar to the one he had there in 2001, arranged through a temporary employment agency called Accountants Inc., according to a time card found in his trash. Officials at the cosmetics company refused to comment.

In 2006, Mr. Shahzad took a job as a junior financial analyst at Affinion Group in Norwalk, a financial marketing-services company. Michael Bush, the company’s director of public relations, said Mr. Shahzad resigned in mid-2009; government officials said he was unemployed and bankrupt by the time of his arrest.

After marrying Huma Mian, he had petitioned the immigration agency in 2004 to change his status: He wanted to become a permanent resident, another step on the path to citizenship.

Ms. Mian had just graduated from the University of Colorado at Boulder with a business degree, according to Bronson Hilliard, a university spokesman. She lived in dormitories and in family housing, sharing her quarters with a a sister or a cousin, Mr. Hilliard said.

Her parents lived in the Denver suburb of Aurora. A neighbor in their condominium complex, Johnny Wright, remembered that her new husband visited the family only once before she joined him there.

“He seemed educated,” Mr. Wright said of Mr. Shahzad. “Didn’t make a lot of conversation.”

The Mians themselves moved out in 2008, leaving a post office box overseas as a forwarding address. Meanwhile, Mr. Shahzad applied for citizenship that October.

Shortly after his naturalization ceremony in the Bridgeport courthouse, his name appeared on a case in another Connecticut court, a foreclosure action by Chase bank.

He and his wife had bought a new-construction single-family house on Long Hill Avenue in Shelton in 2004 for $273,000, with a $218,400 mortgage, according to court papers.

They tried to cash in on the real estate boom, listing it for $329,000 in 2006. It did not sell, said Frank DelVecchio, an agent who picked up the listing in 2008. The price then was $299,000, and later it was marked down to $285,000 and finally $284,500.

In Shelton, neighbors remembered Mr. Shahzad walking early in the morning in sandals and loose-fitting shirts, and jogging late at night in black athletic clothes; his wife wore a long dress and a shawl covering her hair. They had toys in their garage and a little swimming pool in the back; last summer, friends came over for barbecues.

“He wasn’t unfriendly,” said Debbie Bussolari, a 55-year-old dental technician who lived across the street. “He seemed a little different.”

The family had several tag sales last summer, offering knick knacks and kid stuff, “things that you would give to Goodwill,” according to Mary Ann Galich, 55, who lives behind the house.

“She was outside dealing with the people, and he was dealing with the money,” Ms. Galich recalled.

Davon Reid, 17, who lives next door, said the family moved in December: “It seemed like they picked up everything very quickly.” A few months later, a real estate broker let him in to check the place out, and it was a wreck.

“There was spoiled food and milk everywhere,” he said. “They just left everything. They left clothes in closets, the kid’s shoes, the woman’s shoes. And the kids’ toys.”

Three months ago, Mr. Shahzad signed a one-year lease on a two-bedroom apartment in Bridgeport. Mr. Chomiak, the landlord, said he usually saw Mr. Shahzad only when the rent was due, but described him as a nice guy who furnished the apartment sparsely, and said he made a living selling jewelry in New Haven.

Other details took on significance in light of the arrest. When he went looking for Mr. Shahzad on Monday, he noticed a distributor cap and two small bags of fertilizer in the garage

Mr. Shahzad, Mr. Chomiak said, mentioned that he wanted to grow tomatoes.



Mr Shahzad might have beeen involved with the Pakistani Taliban. Several people have already been arrested in Pakistan in connection with the Times Square bombing attempt.

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The Pakistani Taliban on Sunday released a video taking credit for the Times Square attack, but American officials cautioned on Tuesday that the investigation was still in its early stages, and said it could take days before enough evidence emerged to point to any one group for its role in the plot.

For months, terrorist groups have pledged to exact revenge for the C.I.A.’s campaign of drone strikes in the Pakistani mountains. Last year, a C.I.A. drone killed the group’s leader, Baitullah Mehsud, and American intelligence officials believe that the Pakistani Taliban has over the years cultivated close ties to Qaeda leaders. Any ties between Mr. Shahzad and Pakistani militants could add new urgency to American demands that Pakistan root out the web of Al Qaeda and local groups that use the tribal areas to strike at United States troops in Afghanistan and other targets farther abroad.

The United States, which has provided Pakistan with billions of dollars in counterterrorism aid since 2001, has pressed Pakistan to crack down on militants inside its borders, and an American official said Pakistan’s response to this attempted attack would have serious implications for the country’s strategic relationship with the United States.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/05/nyregion/05bomb.html?hp


BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 07:59 pm
@JTT,
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in the affairs of sovereign states. Attempting to and or forcing a change of government is the definition of terrorism.


LOL you are joking correct?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 08:11 pm
@firefly,
I love the part where the article go from the bomber to "they" as in his whole generation of Pakistanians.

Not one nut or even a few nuts but a whole society of terrorests waiting to come over here as a fifth column.



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It’s not that they don’t speak English or aren’t skilled,” a Pakistani official explained. “But in their hearts and in their minds they reject the West. They can’t see a world where they live together; there’s only one way, one right way.”
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 11:05 pm
@JTT,
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Unlike you, Ionus, I don't consider trading off war crimes as acceptable behavior.
Disagreeing with your pseudo-righteous babble doesnt make me a war criminal. It is possible you are mentally ill and need "war crimes" to identify against because you are not a really thinking person. How about crimes against humanity ? Ever bothered to help a country that wasnt at war against the USA ? Happy to sit back and watch poverty so long as you have your war to rail against ? You have a self-inflicted sense of superiority..the world is greyer than your mind can accept. You trade off war crimes every day.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 11:53 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
Unlike you, Ionus, I don't consider trading off war crimes as acceptable behavior.
Ionus wrote:
Disagreeing with your pseudo-righteous babble doesnt make me a war criminal. It is possible you are mentally ill and need "war crimes" to identify against because you are not a really thinking person. How about crimes against humanity ? Ever bothered to help a country that wasnt at war against the USA ? Happy to sit back and watch poverty so long as you have your war to rail against ? You have a self-inflicted sense of superiority..the world is greyer than your mind can accept. You trade off war crimes every day.
Ionus, JTT is not capable of rational thought; hopeless confusion.
I have him on Ignore, after a long and fruitless effort to communicate.
He has overtly repudiated logic. It woud do u as much good to argue with a dog.





David
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 12:10 am
@BillRM,
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It’s not that they don’t speak English or aren’t skilled,” a Pakistani official explained. “But in their hearts and in their minds they reject the West. They can’t see a world where they live together; there’s only one way, one right way.”
I love the part where the article go from the bomber to "they" as in his whole generation of Pakistanians. Not one nut or even a few nuts but a whole society of terrorests waiting to come over here as a fifth column.


I took the "they" to be referring to terrorists. THE problem with the muslim world is it is male dominated. This inability to let go of fear of female infidelity produces psychopathic males intent on the ultimate protection of the female...suicide bombing. Most of the paranoia aspects of the muslim religion are NOT muslim...they are Arabic. Indonesia has the least arabic content of its muslim religion and is also the largest muslim country. It should be producing muslim terrorists by the bucket load but it doesnt because it has shuned arabic customs for their own.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 07:52 am
Kudos to the Obama administration

Some of you may not believe this, but I am praising the Obama administration for their use of advance spy technology to capture the Muslim terrorists that parked that car bomb in NYC. Obama has embraced both defensiveness and offensive military technologies that are available to him and I praise him for it.

How Army Spy Planes Caught the Times Square Bomber
Army intelligence planes scrambled over New York, armed with Shahzad's cell phone number. They intercepted his call reserving a plane ticket to Dubai; authorities nabbed him. The details about the Army intelligence planes have been scrubbed from the WCBS story since we posted this. This could be because they were wrong, or because of some sort of security concern. We'll try to get in touch with WCBS to see what's up.

Meanwhile, the Nation's Jeremy Scahill has done some reporting on the intelligence plane issue. He interviewed a US Special Operations Force source, who said Army Special Ops forces were likely involved in Shazhad's capture, and that the planes"if they were used"were probably RC-12s, which look something like this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Beechcraft_RC-12N_Huron_in_flight.jpg
The planes are equipped with a Guardrail Signals Intelligence system which, according to Scahill, "sucks up" all electronic communications in an area, allowing authorities to pinpoint their location. It's likely that parts of the domestic counter-terrorism system the Bush administration set up were activated by the bombing. Scahill writes that these counter-terrorism programs "gave US military special forces sweeping authority to operate on US soil in cases involving WMD incidents or terror attacks." Army spy planes were within their rights to be flying over New York, sucking up all our electronic communications as they rushed to track Shahzad's cell phone activity.
 

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