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Countdown to the end of the Republic (USA)

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 07:01 am
@MASSAGAT,
Somebody doesn't understand it was April Fools Day yesterday. Drunk
parados
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 07:03 am
Day 12

Yes, we still exist in spite of all the nonsense from yesterday. Not only do we exist but it appears we will soon be awash in oil.

It appears Possum already hates the idea of drilling for oil. (I didn't bother to read his entire post. I never do.)
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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 11:10 am
The Next Civil War
Bob Burnett For OpEdNews: Bob Burnett - Writer

The Civil War ranks as the most costly of US wars, with 625,000 deaths and a comparable number of injuries. Now the Republican Party is stoking the fires of insurrection and for thousands of right-wing zealots a new civil war seems a political necessity. As increasing numbers of Democratic politicians are threatened, how long will it be before domestic terrorists use their weapons?

The first Civil War was precipitated by a dispute regarding slavery and states' rights. It was inflamed by volatile rhetoric and widespread use of guns.

The looming civil war reincarnates the debate about states' rights. Immediately after President Obama signed Healthcare Reform into law, several state Attorney Generals filed lawsuits arguing the Federal government violated the Constitution.



Rather than slavery, the new civil war is being waged over the necessity to guarantee human rights for all Americans - whether or not every citizen deserves healthcare. Many Republicans feel this is not a legitimate use of government power, that it infringes on the sacred "free market."

In the run up to the first Civil War, passions were inflamed by fiery rhetoric from secessionist politicians such as Jefferson Davis. The impending civil war is being fed by mass-media personalities, such as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, who routinely feed their listeners blatant falsehoods. The success of these demagogues was revealed in a March 23rdLouis Harris poll of Republicans: 67 percent "believe that Obama is a socialist." 57 percent "believe that Obama is a Muslim." 45 percent believe that Obama "was not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president." 38 percent of Republicans say the President is "doing many of the things that Hitler did." And, 24 percent believe Obama "may be the Antichrist."

Coupled with these skewed beliefs is increasingly strident rhetoric from Republican leaders. House minority leader John Boehner compared healthcare reform to "Armageddon" and declared the GOP to the Party of "Hell no." This refrain was picked up Senator John McCain and former Governor Sarah Palin, who added, "Freedom is a god-given right worth fighting for."

There's little doubt that the use of inflammatory language has increased the ratings ofthe Fox News Channel, which is now the highest rated cable channel, and "the highest rated basic channel in primetime." Fox commentators such as Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly regularly contend the US "is headed into socialism" and compare President Obama to Hitler. On March 23rd, prominent conservative David Frum, a former George W. Bush speechwriter, appearing onABC Nightlineobserved, "Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us and now we're discovering we work for Fox."

Beck and his new Fox News associate, Sarah Palin, have appropriated therhetoric used by the Militia movement, language that suggests violence may be required to "save" America. Since Barack Obama became President there has been an unprecedentedrun on gunsfomented by a right-wing rumor that Obama was going to restrict gun ownership. As documented in the Spring Report of theSouthern Poverty Law Center, there has also been an explosive growth of hate and militia groups. "An astonishing 363 new Patriot groups appeared in 2009 - a 244% jump." (On March 29th, nine members of one of these groupsthe Hutareewere charged with conspiring to kill police officers.)

The Republican Party's embrace of militant extremism follows a grim logic. The GOP is losing members; a recent Washington Post/ABC Newspollfound that only 24 percent of respondents self-identified as Republicans - versus 34 percent for Democrats and 38 percent for Independents. Grasping for support, the GOP has abandoned traditional conservative ideology and allowed its message to be highjacked.

Unfortunately, the Republican Party lacks a leader with the gravitas to speak out against the escalating violence of its supporters. Elected Republicans such a Boehner, McCain, McConnell, and Steele are much less influential than are conservative media figures such as Beck, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and Palin. As a result, as Fox News becomes even more outrageous, and violence against Democrats escalates, GOP leaders either claim to be powerless to stop it or argue the mainstream media has exaggerated the problem.

Meanwhile, a second civil war is brewing. Considering the volatile mixture of inflammatory rhetoric, weapons usage, and growth of militia groups, it appears likely there will be a tragic event: an assault on a Democratic politician, the burning of a congressional office, or another bombing of a Federal office building.

In 1860, the onset of the Civil War could have been averted. Dispassionate observers saw that the Confederacy did not have the resources required to defeat the Union. In 2010, the impending Civil War should be averted. Right-wing zealots are a minority and do not have the resources to commandeer America. Nonetheless, they can cause needless bloodshed.

What will it take for voices of reason to rise up within the Republican Party? How long will it be before a major Republican leader speaks out against domestic terrorism and urges the GOP to return to reason and reconciliation?



Bob Burnett is a Berkeley writer. In a previous life he was one of the executive founders of Cisco Systems.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 12:50 pm
There's little doubt that the use of inflammatory language is a tool that the liberal democrat party condones and urges their supporters
to use this tool often... these same radical liberals are more likely to use violence in an effort to intimidate any and all opposition.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 12:52 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

Democracy is the road to socialism... SAVE THE REPUBLIC!


I see you have finally admitted you hate democracy.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 12:53 pm
@H2O MAN,
Did you start drinking alcohol the minute you got up this morning?
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 01:16 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:

Democracy is the road to socialism... SAVE THE REPUBLIC!


I see you have finally admitted you hate democracy.

We know that's the Untied States Cyclotroll dreams of, but are you finally admitting that you also love Socialism?

All real Americans should oppose this country becoming a democracy because a democracy is just a step away from Socialism.

parados
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 01:35 pm
@H2O MAN,
Ah, so you want the US to be just like the Republic of Iraq under Saddam?

The US is a democratic republic. That means it is a democracy as defined in the dictionary. The dictionary is where MOST people go for definitions. It seems you prefer to ignore real world definitions.
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 02:35 pm
Advocate wrote:

Meanwhile, a second civil war is brewing. Considering the volatile mixture of inflammatory rhetoric, weapons usage, and growth of militia groups, it appears likely there will be a tragic event: an assault on a Democratic politician, the burning of a congressional office, or another bombing of a Federal office building.
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wrong---The second civil war is not brewing. It was brewing long ago when Obama's friend and board member, Mr. Bill Ayres, was with the weathermen and was REALLY bombing buildings.

The second civil war is not brewing. It was brewing a few years ago when Obama sat in church and listened to his pastor, the Reverend Wright excoriate the US by preaching--G.. D... America.

And, the second civil war is not brewing. It was brewing during President Bush's administration when left wing Democrats were much more violent against Bush than any Republicans have been against Obama.

Note:

Google hits on- Kill Bush---58,600,000

Google hits on- Kill Obama--125,000
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 04:44 pm
@H2O MAN,
LOL...

Gee..
Adams also didn't believe in free speech

Quote:
When people talk of the freedom of writing, speaking or thinking I cannot choose but laugh.


You might find the entire letter that your quote was taken from interesting, squirt.
http://app.libraryofliberty.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=2104&layout=html
Adams defines different governments and then lists #5 as a mixture of them.

Adams also says this in the same letter :
Quote:
Democracy, nevertheless, must not be disgraced; democracy must not be despised. Democracy must be respected; democracy must be honored; democracy must be cherished; democracy must be an essential, an integral part of the sovereignty, and have a control over the whole government, or moral liberty cannot exist, or any other liberty.

It appears Adams is saying we can't have liberty without democracy.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 05:03 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Adams also says this in the same letter :

Quote:
Democracy must be respected; democracy must be honored; democracy must be cherished; democracy must be an essential, an integral part of the sovereignty, and have a control over the whole government, or moral liberty cannot exist, or any other liberty.



Beautifully written.

Respect, honor and cherish.

I think people forget that democracy must be cared for. Their ancestors fought for it, they need to take care of it.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 05:20 pm
@ehBeth,
Hear, hear!

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Gargamel
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 06:28 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:
a political necessity.


It's your party that needs a war (not to mention stockpiles of ammo and discrete woodland ranches). We're riding pretty high on this landmark bill. Which is precisely why you bothered to come back here. To start a little war of your own. Pathetic.
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Sat 3 Apr, 2010 01:30 am
ebeth wrote:


Democracy must be respected; democracy must be honored; democracy must be cherished; democracy must be an essential, an integral part of the sovereignty, and have a control over the whole government, or moral liberty cannot exist, or any other liberty.

Democracy--definition?
A form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them under a free electoral system>
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This power will be exercised under a free electoral system by the people on November 2nd 2010(just 212 days from now) when idiots like Senator Harry Reid( who is fourteen points behind in the polls) will be tossed out of the Senate unceremoniously!
 

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