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Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2010 04:27 pm
@edgarblythe,
Origins

"The chant of "Who Dat?" originated in minstrel shows and vaudeville acts of the late 1800s and early 1900s, and was then taken up by jazz and big band performers in the 1920s and 30s.

The first reference to "Who Dat?" can be found in the 19th Century. A featured song in E.E. Rice's "Summer Nights" is the song "Who Dat Say Chicken In dis Crowd", with lyrics by poet Paul Laurence Dunbar.[1] A common tag line in the days of Negro minstrel shows was: "Who dat?" answered by "Who dat say who dat?" Many different blackfaced gags played off that opening. Vaudeville performer Mantan Moreland was known for the routine.[1] Another example is "Swing Wedding," a rarely shown 1930s Harmon-Ising cartoon musical, which caricatured Fats Waller, Cab Calloway, Bill "Bojangles" Robinson, Ethel Waters, and the Mills Brothers as frogs in a swamp performing minstrel show jokes and jazz tunes. The frogs repeatedly used the phrase "who dat?"

In the swing era, "who dat" chants back and forth between the band and the band leader or between the audience and the band were extemporaneous. That is, there was no one specific set of words except for the two magic ones.

"Who Dat?" Lyrics from 1937:

Who dat up there who’s dat down there
Who dat up there who dat well down there
Who’s dat up there, sayin’ who’s dat down there
When I see you up there well who’s dat down there


Who dat inside who’s dat outside
Who’s dat inside who dat well outside
Who’s dat inside, singin’ who’s dat outside
When I see up there well who’s dat out there


Button up your lip there big boy
Stop answerin’ back
Give you a tip there big boy
Announce yourself jack


Who dat up there who’s dat down there
Who dat up there who dat, well down there
Who’s dat up there, singin’ who’s dat down there
When I see you up there you bum
Well who’s dat down there


Who dat


Staged minstrel skits had frightened black people saying "who dat" when they encountered a ghost, or someone imitating a ghost. Then, the "who dat"..."who dat say who dat"...skit would play itself out. This skit was done frequently in short reels from the 1930s - 1950s and in some early TV shows too. Even the Marx Brothers had a "who dat" routine, which they included in their film A Day at the Races.[1] Often, a ghost was called a "who dat." An animated character, now banished to the archives as being racist, MGM's Bosko had such an encounter in a toon called "Lil Ol Bosko in Bagdad" in 1938.

"Who Dat?" became a familiar joke with soldiers during World War II.

Back in WWII, US fighter squadron pilots would often fly under radio silence. But things get lonely up there in the cockpit, so after a while there'd be a crackle of static as someone keyed his mike. Then a disembodied voice would reply, "Who dat?" An answer would come, "Who dat say who dat?" And another, "Who dat say who dat say who dat?" After a few rounds of this, the squadron commander would grab his microphone and yell, "Cut it out, you guys!" A few moments of silence. Then... "Who dat?"[cite this quote]

[edit] Origins of the "Who Dat?" Chant
"Who Dat" became part of a chant for fans cheering on their favorite team. It has been debated exactly where it started, but some claim it began with Southern University fans either in the late 1960s or early 1970s and went "Who dat say dey gonna beat dem Jags" - Southern University being nicknamed the Jaguars.[2] Another claim is that around the same time it began at St. Augustine High School, a historically African-American all boys Catholic high school in New Orleans, and then spread to the New Orleans Public Schools. Another claim is that the cheer originated at Patterson High School in Patterson, Louisiana (home of Saints running back Dalton Hilliard).[1] In the late 70's fans at Louisiana State University picked up on the cheer. By 1983, the New Orleans Saints organization officially adopted it during the tenure of coach Bum Phillips, and Aaron Neville (along with local musicians Sal and Steve Monistere and Carlo Nuccio) recorded a version of "When the Saints Go Marching In" that incorporated the chant (performed by a group of Saints players) that became a major local hit, due in part to the support of sportscaster Ron Swoboda and the fact that Saints fans had been using the chant already.[1]

In 1981, the Cincinnati Bengals fans and players had started with their similar "Who Dey" cheer.[3] It was also adopted by wrestling fans of the Junkyard Dog, who wrestled locally in the Mid South Wrestling area in the early to mid 1980s.[citation needed]

After the Saints won the 2009 NFC Championship on January 24, 2010, against the Minnesota Vikings in the Superdome, fans from all across New Orleans, including fans who were exiting the game, started a Mardi Gras style "Who Dat" on Bourbon Street with modified lyrics, chanting, "Who Dat, Who Dat, Who Dat in the Super Bowl!" This of course being because the New Orleans Saints were advancing to the Super Bowl for the first time ever in their (at the time) 43 year history.[4][5]

[edit] Who Dat Nation
In recent years the phrase "Who Dat Nation" has become a popular term for the community of Saints fans.[6][7] According to Bobby Hebert, formerly a Saints quarterback and currently a sports commentator in New Orleans, the term "Who Dat Nation" originated after a highly anticipated 2006 game between the Saints and the favored Dallas Cowboys, which the Saints won; after the game, listeners from a wide geographic range called in to Hebert's radio show on WWL (AM), and Hebert commented, "Man, there's a whole Who Dat Nation out there."[8]

[edit] Ownership Controversy
In January 2010, the NFL sent cease and desist letters to several Louisiana t-shirt shop owners ordering them to cease producing t-shirts bearing the phrase "Who dat". The NFL claimed to own the trademark to the term "Who dat". The NFL also claimed that unlicensed t-shirts bearing the phrase would cause confusion among fans of the Saints about the official status of the merchandise.[9] The Monisteres, through their company WhoDat Inc. also released a statement claiming rights to the phrase, which they registered in 1983 after recording the version of "When the Saints Go Marching In" that incorporated the chant.[10] The Monistere's record is listed as inactive, meaning that it was not renewed upon expiration. The Saints organization, through their company The New Orleans Louisiana Saints Limited Partnership, also registered the mark "Who Dat" in 1988 when used in conjunction with "fleur-de-lis design",[11] but later the Saints released their claim of ownership to WhoDat, Inc., conceding that they owned the phrase.[12]

In response to what many are calling a "frivolous threat" and "bullying" by the NFL to scare merchants into selling only NFL licensed goods, fans across the nation in various blogs and radio call-in shows are calling for a boycott of all NFL officially licensed merchandise until the NFL formally recants its position on claiming the "Who Dat?" trademark.[citation needed]

The NFL's action also provoked responses from U.S. Senator David Vitter and Congressman Charlie Melancon of Louisiana, among others. Vitter sent a formal letter to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell criticizing the NFL's attempt to claim ownership of the chant, informing Goodell he would be printing t-shirts using the phrase, and daring the NFL to sue him.[13] It was later reported that the NFL had responded to Vitter's letter, stating that it was only seeking to prevent unauthorized uses of "Who Dat?" together with other identifying marks of the Saints."
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2010 04:33 pm
@Seed,
Good. That is as it should be and perfectly understandable, inevitable even, under the scientific principles enshrined in evolutionary theory.

I've never understood why socialists and liberals promote evolution theory. Perhaps it is, as I have long suspected, that they are only seeking to free themselves from the moral rigidities of Christian morality and evolution theory is a mere battering ram. Nothing to do with science.

You might find some profit in reading the death of Little Nell scene in Dickens.
Seed
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2010 04:35 pm
@spendius,
I don't think that is evolution. Survival of the Fittest maybe, but then again, I don't really think that is true. Even in nature you see things that work together to survival.
JPB
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2010 05:34 pm
The NFL is tax exempt? Who knew?

Quote:
Other members of the Louisiana congressional delegation also demanded that the NFL cease its threats of legal action against merchants.

Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., said it is "unfortunate that the NFL is exploiting a phrase that has been part of Louisiana's culture for more than a century. Who Dat Nation deserves better. I am exploring several options to sack the NFL's greediness, including removing the league's tax exempt status."

Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-Napoleonville, who is running against Vitter in this fall's Senate election, posted on his Twitter page a link to his "No One Owns Who Dat" petition urging the league to give up the fight.

And Rep. Steve Scalise, R-Jefferson, said: "If the NFL owns 'Who Dat,' then a football is round. No matter how hard they try, nobody can dispute the power and energy of the Who Dat Nation."

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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2010 05:50 pm
@Seed,
Seed wrote:

I don't think that is evolution. Survival of the Fittest maybe, but then again, I don't really think that is true. Even in nature you see things that work together to survival.


The asshole has to compulsively stick his pro ID rants everywhere, like a dog piddling in all the corners. Methinks he doth protest too much.
Seed
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2010 05:51 pm
@edgarblythe,
I'm not sure I am following. I wasn't ranting.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2010 06:25 pm
@Ragman,
That's what I call scholarship.

It makes the philosophy of Eliminativism look ridiculous.

I know not many NFL fans know what Eliminativism actually is so I will explain.

It is the form of materialism which "nurse's elbow in the bathwater" materialism tries to pretend that it is. It goes all the way.

It advocates the elimination of everyday psychology, folk psychology if you will, in favour of neuroscientific psychology. That, say, saying Who Dat is a Pavlovian reflex conditioned on the pleasure of it being "cool" to say it making the assumption that it is cool and not ridiculous and that being cool is a superior character trait and thus a source of pleasure when expressed. Like when a seal is taught to play God Save the Queen on an 6 note piano with rewards of herrings.

The only trouble is, for materialist philosophers, and half-baked ones are of no account just as a stop an inch from the line is of no account, belief itself is an integral part of folk psychology and thus it is impossible for a strict materialist philosopher to believe anything let alone that folk psychology is false.

Eliminativism, which all materialsts need to embrace to avoid being laughed at, is a characteristic mental state of those who have a need to reduce everyday common sense and tradition to scientific categories which can be explained by experts and understood. (Reductionism).
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2010 06:41 pm
@Seed,
Edgar isnt talking about you seed. The character named "spendius" is constantly leaving brain farts about Intelligent design and his "true Christian beliefs" all over the place. Hes a pisser when hes pissed because hes pissed.

Another subject , more relevant. I dont know why that kid in Nawlins didnt write WHOMDAT on her teehirts and then just cross out the M, Thered be no actionable item.

BY doing this, Ive just registered any from of WHOMDAT and including the spell check version.
IM GONNA MAKE A gazillion.

Im thinking of copyrighting
"**** YOU ALL", and its more diminutive "**** YOU". I figure thatll buy me a new SAN JUAN cruiser.


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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2010 06:44 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
The asshole has to compulsively stick his pro ID rants everywhere, like a dog piddling in all the corners. Methinks he doth protest too much.


What is wrong with piddling in all the corners from the dog's point of view.

And I spend half my time on A2K debating with people who never do anything else but protest. They can only protest against religious belief because they have nothing to offer as an alternative apart from fm's re-education camps.

Ed has arrived at the position that protesting anything he says defines protest. They are all like that.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2010 07:16 pm
It seems to me that there is a time and place to "piddle."

I have been running trivial sports games on A2K for years. Years.
I find it amusing that folks who I joust with on some of the the political threads get along with me here just fine, and get along with other people here also.

We have a week to kill before the Super Bowl. I hope that we can find some drivel to fill the time.

Today was a long day. It started snowing about 4 am and it snowed all day. We got 8 inches. I needed nothing so went nowhere. But there was no football. I care not about the NBA. Perhaps there was a college hoops game I could have followed.
But I did see this: Fantasy Baseball Leagues open up February 1oth!
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2010 07:33 pm
@edgarblythe,
My husband used to go to a barber, er, salon, with the owner's last name. That guy was sued by a then internationally known person/company. I don't remember who had a business first but I'm guessing the local guy since even I remember going there with obnoxious music playing at all times, long before I met my husband. The local owner lost, as he hadn't trademarked his own name.

Common language, on the other hand, becoming trademarked... strikes me as bizarre. Is dat wat happened on dis?
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 01:03 pm
Good afternoon. We had 8" of snow in the mountains of VA. I didn't go to the shop on Saturday. The snow piled up quickly in the morning so we did not open.
I popped the van out this afternoon and, even though the temp is 23F, the sun is shining brightly. Severe melting.
The field below me and my front yard show evidence of deer wandering around. Wandering aimlessly, it appears to me. No real purpose.
Football. For no real purpose, the NFL will be holding the Pro Bowl tonight in Miami. 10's of people, perhaps even a 100, will watch this "All Star" game on television.
It used to be played in Hawaii a week or so after the Super Bowl. The idea was to get players from god-awful cold places like Green Bay or Buffalo to play this pretend game.
This year the NFL moved it to the Sunday before the Super Bowl. There will be no Colts or Saints players, of course, and the marquee players with their multi-year million dollar contracts won't be there either. So the "All-Stars" will tend to be lesser known players looking for a paid-for party.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 01:06 pm
@realjohnboy,

Severe melting... gooooooooood!
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Ragman
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 01:12 pm
@realjohnboy,
We seem to have the same weather here east of you in Springfield VA. There was a mess here on the roads on I-95 when we went down to Woodbridge to order our new vinyl replacements windows at Lowe's. By midnight, we had a bit more than 6 in, but it's melting quickly today with the bright sun.

What a dumb time for a Pro-bowl or All-star game. They should play it during the mid-season like all the other pro sports do.

OH SB prediction:

Peyton and the Colts win! They say WhoDat?!
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Seed
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 01:42 pm
@realjohnboy,
What will be the rules for the fantasy baseball league? Are you going to be running one?
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 02:26 pm
@Seed,
I have never been able to come up with a game on A2K comparable to the A2K Football thing where games are played once a week vs everyday in baseball.
Instead, A2Kers join a Fantasy Baseball league on Yahoo or ESPN. The thing is set up by someone with a brain such as Tico, Rockhead, JPB or JPinMilw etc. The rules are set by that person.
The amount of time required to keep up with it is significantly more than the NFL. You need to draft players and then you need to move them into and out of your lineup on an almost daily basis.
In fairness to other players, you should not sign up unless you are willing to commit to playing for the season...unless you roll your truck over or something.
You are an excellent candidate, Seed. I hope you will join us.
Seed
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 02:37 pm
@realjohnboy,
It's possible. Now that I have more time to devote to things I just might jump in on it. I mean spring training is getting close.
lmur
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 03:32 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:


Football. For no real purpose, the NFL will be holding the Pro Bowl tonight in Miami. 10's of people, perhaps even a 100, will watch this "All Star" game on television.


I thought it was the main event. Ah well, cans of guinness get better with age.
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jespah
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 03:43 pm
@Seed,
Oh it's great fun -- please join us! We usually do it on Yahoo -- we tried ESPN for hockey one year and most of us preferred Yahoo hands down. Plus we trash talk and everything. Smile
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 04:01 pm
@jespah,
I agree, I really have enjoyed the a2k fantasy baseball seasons on yahoo.
Starting to think of my team name this year.. (maybe we can get enough players to have two teams):

Paws on the Ground
Ground Paws
Running Dogs
Corgi Comets
Corgi Cyclones
Sand Lot Dogs
ok, I'll be quiet now..
(I have to get a head start on the Skinny Pups from Boston)
 

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