Amanda Knox

@oralloy,

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@izzythepush,

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Hate is all Advocate and oralboy understand. They have no concept of positive emotions, and just don't understand how anyone could sympathise with anyone else. Don't try explaining anything, they can't process such complex thoughts, pearls before swine.

I believe you to a certain degree, Izzy. In Oralloy's situation, I do not believe he has the capability of empathizing with others. Compassion is missing from this poster resulting from his inability to connect with unfortunates in pain, like the parents of Meredith Kercher, and the poor unfortunate bar owner whom Amanda Knox perversely lied against; Oralloy drags these victims over the coals quite cruelly. One should run from Oralloy for he appear to be dangerous.

Advocate's primary problem is he freaks out where honest criticism is concern and sounds almost berserk in his frenzy to defend the rogue nation.

I do not think Advocate is as bad as Oralloy, as the latter is a totally different animal with a child-like mind even though he might be articulate in his writings. I've read some of Advocate's jokes on another thread and he's quite hilarious some time. It's difficult to dislike someone who can make you laugh. His defect, when it comes to Israel, is his only real flaw which means he and I are destined to be in combat on this subject, at least in my opinion. True, he's bigoted....but aren't we all?.... And the fact that he sticks to that particular "Pamela" hate thread works against him but I don't think he would burn a cross on a black person's lawn or deliberately turn in an undocumented individual. Advocate does possess liberal views and I was surprise to read some of his statements regarding political figures in the US.

You and Advocate are antagonistic towards each other, like tit for tat. Sometimes it's like that, we just are not compatible with another poster....but he is doesn't fall in the same category as Oralloy. People who feel strongly against their enemy will often call them names. I have even called a fat Texas politician a "fat slob with a huge gap in his teeth." So when one thinks about it, it's not nice to refer to Palestinians as "vermin" especially on a public forum like this because it's very easy to offend others. I was offended when he and Oralloy referred to Palestinian as "vermin." I was highly insulted to hear the militant right-wing Rabbi Meir Kahane refer to Palestinians as dogs. When he was assassinated in New York November 5, 1990, I felt an overwhelming emotion of sheer joy along with the Palestinians.

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Note to posters - this thread is about Amanda Knox and the dead woman, Meredith Kercher.

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@Moment-in-Time,

Moment-in-Time wrote:

In Oralloy's situation, I do not believe he has the capability of empathizing with others. Compassion is missing from this poster resulting from his inability to connect with unfortunates in pain,

It always amazes me that these monsters can vomit the most horrific cruelty towards the innocent, who I then valiantly defend from their sadistic attacks, and then they turn right around and suggest that I'm the one who lacks empathy.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

unfortunates in pain, like the parents of Meredith Kercher,

If those freaks are in such pain, how come the only thing they care about is framing innocent people and stealing their money?

Their efforts to frame the innocent even accidentally caused Meredith's killer to get a huge sentence reduction (he's up for daytime release in just a few months now) and they were so eager to steal from Amanda and Raffaele that they didn't even notice.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

and the poor unfortunate bar owner whom Amanda Knox perversely lied against;

Let's get our facts straight, shall we. That little bugger is an EX bar owner. The only action he sees in the bar industry these days is scrubbing dishes in someone else's bar.

I hear he's really good at scrubbing dishes though (which is good since he isn't good at anything else).

Anyway, now that that is taken care of: Unlike you, Amanda has never told a single lie throughout this entire case.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

Oralloy drags these victims over the coals quite cruelly.

Nonsense! I have done nothing but defend Amanda and Raffaele!

Moment-in-Time wrote:

One should run from Oralloy for he appear to be dangerous.

Leave the stupidity to those retards that you always seem to recruit to play Igor to your Dr. Frankenstein.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

Advocate's primary problem is he freaks out where honest criticism is concern

Your hideous anti-Semitic lies are in no way "honest criticism".

Moment-in-Time wrote:

the rogue nation.

Enough with your anti-Semitism already.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

People who feel strongly against their enemy will often call them names.

Nonsense. The name-calling comes when someone is too stupid to articulate any other form of response.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

So when one thinks about it, it's not nice to refer to Palestinians as "vermin" especially on a public forum like this because it's very easy to offend others. I was offended when he and Oralloy referred to Palestinian as "vermin."

The term is highly accurate. The Palestinians relentlessly refuse all efforts to make peace, and they murder innocents for fun whenever they can.

And look at their sadistic supporters. Every single person who is deranged enough to support the Palestinians, also delights in the idea of sending innocent people to prison.

So, yes. Vermin.

Moment-in-Time wrote:

I was highly insulted to hear the militant right-wing Rabbi Meir Kahane refer to Palestinians as dogs.

My goodness!

Did the dogs ever forgive him?

I know if anyone ever suggested that I was like the Palestinians, I'd be outraged.

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@ossobuco,

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Note to posters - this thread is about Amanda Knox and the dead woman, Meredith Kercher.

Says the person who militantly refuses to consider any of the facts or evidence in this case.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Moment-in-Time wrote:
unfortunates in pain, like the parents of Meredith Kercher,

If those freaks are in such pain, how come the only thing they care about is framing innocent people and stealing their money?

Their efforts to frame the innocent even accidentally caused Meredith's killer to get a huge sentence reduction (he's up for daytime release in just a few months now) and they were so eager to steal from Amanda and Raffaele that they didn't even notice.

For what it's worth, Italy apparently just changed their laws to be a bit more generous when it comes to parole dates, so Guede might now be up for "daytime release" sometime this month.

Incidentally I've decided which outcome I'm rooting for.

As people may recall, I've been torn between:

a) hoping that Guede will massacre a lot more young women, giving the Italians what they deserve, but with the unfortunate drawback of allowing the Kerchers to see Guede back in prison.

b) hoping that Guede becomes an upstanding and respectable member of society -- he says he wants to become a schoolteacher -- living out his days in complete freedom, thereby denying the Kerchers any justice whatsoever.

I'm rooting for "B".

It's not that I don't like the idea of Guede massacring a bunch of young Italian women. It's that the Kerchers are unconscionable pigs.

I'll still cheer for him if he decides for "A", and knowing Guede, he will. But the outcome I desire most is the one where the Kerchers have to deal with Guede living out his life in freedom and prosperity.

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@oralloy,

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Amanda has never told a single lie throughout this entire case.

No, just multiple ones.

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

oralloy wrote:
Unlike you, Amanda has never told a single lie throughout this entire case.

No, just multiple ones.

Stop falsely accusing your betters of your own dishonesty, scumbag. You cannot show any lies told by either Amanda or Raffaele in this case, and you know it. (No such lies even exist.)

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@McTag,

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Re: oralloy (Post 5515875)

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Amanda has never told a single lie throughout this entire case.

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No, just multiple ones.

Supporting truth with a link where there are dozens that support Amanda Knox deliberately lied, McTag.

"Amanda Knox is a fantastic actress, says bar owner she accused of murder
By NICK PISA
UPDATED: 22:15 EST, 10 October 2011

"The bar owner wrongly named as the killer of Meredith Kercher by Amanda Knox has condemned her as a ‘fantastic actress’.

"Patrick Lumumba, 38, was arrested and spent two weeks in prison after Knox told detectives she ‘had covered my ears in the kitchen’ while ‘Patrick killed Meredith’.

However, the claim was false and Italian prosecutors alleged Knox had made it to throw suspicion off herself.

Flashback: Patrick Lumumba (centre) was arrested and detained for two weeks after Amanda Knox told police he was the killer.

Speaking in a telephone interview with MailOnline from Poland, Mr Lumumba said: ‘I feel so angry. When I heard the verdict I was shocked for poor Meredith. I have always said that Amanda is a fantastic actress and that’s what she will always be for me.
'I spent two weeks in jail for something I didn't do because Amanda said I was the killer. I will never forget when the police banged on my door and took me away.

More...

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047234/Amanda-Knox-fantastic-actress-says-Patrick-Lumumba-accused-murder.html#ixzz2piHXB6XJ
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@korkamann,

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Amanda Knox is a fantastic actress, says bar owner she accused of murder

Let's get our facts straight. That's an EX bar owner there. These days all the little bugger does is work in other people's bars.

And the horrible lies that he told about Amanda, in that article and others like it, are the very reason why he's now an EX bar owner. People who go around telling horrible lies about innocent people should always expect Karma to come knocking on their door.

korkamann wrote:

Supporting truth with a link where there are dozens that support Amanda Knox deliberately lied, McTag.

Note that when you post a link that falsely accuses an innocent person of lying, that doesn't make them a liar. And it certainly doesn't count as supporting the truth.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Let's get our facts straight. That's an EX bar owner there. These days all the little bugger does is work in other people's bars.

And the horrible lies that he told about Amanda, in that article and others like it, are the very reason why he's now an EX bar owner. People who go around telling horrible lies about innocent people should always expect Karma to come knocking on their door.

I still wish Amanda would sue that freak for libel.

I know he lost his bar and that's pretty cool. But if he also had to pay a huge cash settlement to Amanda on top of it, that'd be cooler yet.

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According to her lawyer, Amanda Knox could become a 'virtual prisoner' in America if an Italian court upholds her original conviction.
Amanda Knox's fears over Italian retrial

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[...]Now her lawyer says she could face huge problems travelling anywhere in the world where there is a legal extradition treaty with the Italian government.

Lawyer Anne Bremner said: “If the court finds against her, it could make it very difficult for her to travel.

“She could be subject to arrest in a country that has such an arrangement with Italy and that would probably include most countries.

“In effect, she could find herself a virtual prisoner in her own country.”

Behind the scenes, America’s State Department has assigned a lawyer, Ted Simon, to Knox’s case and said the US will not extradite her even if the Italians uphold her original conviction.
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As the Sunday Express exclusively revealed last year, Knox spent the £2.4million she received for her autobiography Waiting To Be Heard on huge legal bills. Her parents, who are divorced, also re-mortgaged their houses.

One friend said that Knox has become more confident in dealing with the media and, ironically, has been flirting with the idea of a career in journalism.

A source close to the student said yesterday: “Even though she will never be behind bars again, she is dreading the court upholding the original finding.

“She doesn’t want the stigma of for ever being branded a killer. And although she won’t say it publicly, a lot of her supporters believe this latest hearing is an act of pure malice on the part of the Italian authorities.”

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Lawyer Anne Bremner said: “If the court finds against her, it could make it very difficult for her to travel.

considering that only a third of Americans even bother to get a passport I think she can manage just fine....

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

According to her lawyer, Amanda Knox could become a 'virtual prisoner' in America if an Italian court upholds her original conviction.

Despite your earlier claims in this thread that the European Court of Human Rights doesn't actually do anything, it appears that they are in the habit of making rulings against human rights violations, awarding large cash sums to the victims.

It appears that when the European Court of Human Rights makes such rulings, European countries then retry any related court cases, and make those retrials conform to the ECHR's rulings.

It also appears that European countries pay out those huge damages that the European Court of Human Rights awards to the victims.

I know that, when you and Izzythepush claimed that Europe never does anything to rectify human rights violations, I played along with you and pretended that the whole of Europe was a third-world cesspool.

However, in reality I remain confident that the European Court of Human Rights is going to stomp hard on Italy, eradicating every conviction against Amanda and Raffaele, and forcing Italy to pay both of them an extremely large sum of money.

I am a little concerned for Raffaele in the short term though. He does seem to frequent a Caribbean resort where there is no extradition treaty with Italy. However, he also keeps going back to Italy where he could be arrested. It will really be horrible if Italy puts him back in prison while we're waiting for the European Court of Human Rights to act.

Also, there is the question of Raffaele's estate. The entire reason for all of these years of persecution against Amanda and Raffaele has been because that vile Kercher family wants to steal Raffaele's inheritance. If the Italian courts award Raffaele's estate to the Kerchers, I am unsure if that transfer will be frozen while under appeal to the European Court of Human Rights, or if the Kerchers will get the money and the Italian taxpayers will then later be forced to reimburse Raffaele for those losses.

I do think that bankrupting the Italian taxpayers is a really cool idea. But if the scumbag Kerchers actually succeed in getting rich off their plot to send innocent people to prison, I think that will make me vomit.

I really wish that someone would dig Meredith's corpse up and run it through a wood chipper, just for the pain that such an act would cause to that horrible, horrible family.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

considering that only a third of Americans even bother to get a passport I think she can manage just fine....

Yes, but what about Raffaele, and his inheritance?

If he ends up back in prison, or if the Kerchers actually succeed in stealing his inheritance, I think I'll vomit.

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Meredith Kercher murder trial: Possibility grows that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito will have guilty verdicts reinstated

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Prosecutors have asked the Florence Appeals court for "cautionary measures" to be applied against murder suspect Raffaele Sollecito as the feeling mounts that guilt verdicts will be re-instated against Sollecito and his ex-girlfriend Amanda Knox for the killing for Meredith Kercher.

Chief prosecutor Alessandro Crini said the measures could see Sollecito, who denies any part in the brutal 2007 slaying of the British student, have his passport confiscated, be subject to house arrest or even returned to prison, where he has already spent four years after being convicted in 2009 of the murder.
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The climax of the latest trial is scheduled for 30 January. The cautionary measures would be applied in the case of a guilty verdict to stop Sollecito fleeing the county ahead of a Supreme Court hearing on the case.
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Legal experts in Italy expressed surprise at the level of criticism the Perugia Appeals court directed at the original verdict. This seems to have been reflected by the Supreme Court’s remarks as it ordered the current retrial.

Several criminal law experts have told The Independent that they believe it is likely the original murder verdicts will be re-instated. This is at odds with defence assertions and those of some independent observers, who say prosecutors have failed to show beyond reasonable doubt that the pair were involved in the killing.

Sollecito appeared in court today with his father, to hear the prosecution’s summing up. Knox has refused to leave her home in the United States for the retrial. Her lawyer Carlo Dalla Vedova, said: "Amanda is confident that the court will proclaim her innocence."

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Several criminal law experts have told The Independent that they believe it is likely the original murder verdicts will be re-instated. This is at odds with defence assertions and those of some independent observers, who say prosecutors have failed to show beyond reasonable doubt that the pair were involved in the killing.

this would however be consistent with oft stated opinion that the Italian courts are jacked up......

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@hawkeye10,

In Italy, like in most other countries, the prosecution isn't part of the court but of the trial.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Meredith Kercher murder trial: Possibility grows that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito will have guilty verdicts reinstated

Grows? Cassation outright ordered the court to ignore all the evidence and find them guilty.

As I've repeatedly said though, I think Italy knows better than to even ask us for extradition.

If Italy does have the temerity to ask, we should respond to that request by killing hundreds of Italian children.

Hopefully Raffaele will have enough sense to get to that Caribbean resort and stay there.

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Prosecutors have asked the Florence Appeals court for "cautionary measures" to be applied against murder suspect Raffaele Sollecito as the feeling mounts that guilt verdicts will be re-instated against Sollecito and his ex-girlfriend Amanda Knox for the killing for Meredith Kercher.

That would be a violation of both Italian and European law.

But it was also a violation of Italian and European law to hold Amanda and Raffaele in prison those four years, so I guess the letter of the law is little comfort to Raffaele.

As I've already noted, if Raffaele actually ends up back in prison, someone should dig up Meredith's corpse and run it through a wood chipper.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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Several criminal law experts have told The Independent that they believe it is likely the original murder verdicts will be re-instated. This is at odds with defence assertions and those of some independent observers, who say prosecutors have failed to show beyond reasonable doubt that the pair were involved in the killing.

this would however be consistent with oft stated opinion that the Italian courts are jacked up......

That is more fact than opinion. The Italians have been flagrantly violating both Italian and European law for years now in this case.

The way that article refers to "beyond a reasonable doubt" really fails to capture the state of the evidence.

There has never been any evidence whatsoever against either Amanda or Raffaele, and there has always been very strong evidence that the crime was carried out by Guede acting alone. (Well, alone when he was killing and raping Meredith at least.)

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