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Amanda Knox

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 04:52 pm
@lmur,
lmur wrote:
I'm astonished Trump didn't nominate Knox for Secretary of State.

I'm not sure that she has diplomatic experience.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 04:53 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
In a few days, an Italian court will have a hearing on Rudy Guede's request for leave to appeal his conviction.

Guede's leave for appeal denied. Denial likely to be appealed to cassation:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/3ba44e4b68b34e3c8f310f7471985b86/court-mulls-acquittal-petition-british-students-murder

Earlier article that I just happened to come across right now:
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/4dbb561c1e3b4a529641578d4e8e1e3a


oralloy wrote:
In a way it is academic. The witch hunt against Amanda and Raffaele backfired and caused Guede to get his LIFE sentence halved to 30 years, and then halved again to 16 years. He'll be out in a few more years now no matter how the court rules.

Shifting gears slightly: I wonder if anyone will ever figure out what was up with the bomb threat.

On January 16, 2017, the Florence Court of Appeal will decide on Raffaele Sollecito's request for compensation (€516,000) for wrongful imprisonment for nearly four years in prison (at the end of the article, in Italian):
http://www.lanazione.it/firenze/cronaca/delitto-meredith-kercher-revisione-processo-guede-1.2808110

Half a million would just be normal compensation if the state had committed no wrongdoing. I think he's also suing for all the civil rights violations that he has suffered.
ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 05:15 pm
I'm the person who started this thread and had it scoured to oblivion.

As I said in the first place, I distrusted the prosecutor --- in my opening post, as I had read about him in ital news earlier.
ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 05:37 pm
@ossobucotemp,
I still do not not know, whatever.

I also still liked Perugia when I was there.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2017 11:24 pm
@ossobucotemp,
ossobucotemp wrote:
I still do not not know, whatever.

The evidence is clear. Guede broke in through the window, cut Kercher's throat, then raped her as the blood was spraying from her neck.

Then Guede took Kercher's phones so she could not summon aid (she would have lived at that point had aid been summoned), locked her in her room (the door required a key to unlock from either side), took her money, and went out dancing at a nightclub (using her money) while she slowly drowned in her own blood on the floor of her room.


Given the total of all the crimes that Guede committed that night, Italian law says Guede should serve a LIFE sentence (even after opting for a fast track trial). He would have been eligible for parole after 26 years, but that parole would never have been granted and he would have actually stayed in prison for life.

But as a result of the Kercher family's efforts to persecute Amanda and Raffaele, Guede was not convicted of stealing Meredith's money because no one could be sure who took it. Guede was not even charged with breaking in through the window because they were pretending there was no break in. As a result, Guede was sentenced only to 30 years (about half of what he would have served had there been no effort to persecute Amanda and Raffaele).

Then when Amanda and Raffaele were given mitigating circumstances due to their innocence, Guede had to be given the same mitigating circumstances because everyone was pretending they were all in it together. That halved Guede's sentence again and now he'll be out of prison in a few years.


The Kercher family can stand as a moral lesson to the world. Don't go persecuting innocent people or you might end up denying yourself justice. It's going to be wonderful watching the Kerchers' reaction when Guede goes free after serving only a quarter of the time that he should have served considering the brutality of his crime.

I confess that I'm still very angry about the whole thing. I wish that someone would massively desecrate Kercher's grave like I used to ask for in my sig line.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2017 11:26 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
On January 16, 2017, the Florence Court of Appeal will decide on Raffaele Sollecito's request for compensation (€516,000) for wrongful imprisonment for nearly four years in prison.

Half a million would just be normal compensation if the state had committed no wrongdoing. I think he's also suing for all the civil rights violations that he has suffered.

They denied him compensation. It of course has already been appealed.

And, of course, ultimately the European Court of Human Rights will force Italy to pay Amanda and Raffaele millions of Euros.

I wish the US would sign up to the European Court of Human Rights. As human institutions go, it's one of the best.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2017 12:08 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
And, of course, ultimately the European Court of Human Rights will force Italy to pay Amanda and Raffaele millions of Euros.
Quote:
You have only six months from the date of the final decision at
domestic level (generally speaking, the judgment of the highest
court) to lodge an application. After that period your application
cannot be accepted by the Court.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2017 12:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
You have only six months from the date of the final decision at domestic level (generally speaking, the judgment of the highest court) to lodge an application. After that period your application cannot be accepted by the Court.

Amanda's application regarding her slander/libel conviction was lodged within the appropriate time frame.

Applications regarding appropriate compensation will come only after the legal process for compensation has concluded within Italy.

It is possible that the ECHR will order Italy to pay Amanda millions of Euros when they rule on her slander/libel conviction. Otherwise they'll do it later when they force Italy to pay Raffaele his millions.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 11 Apr, 2017 05:17 pm

There has been a recent push from the good guys to have Guede expelled from Italy when he is released from prison. And various Kercher vermin are all appalled and supporting Guede's right to stay in Italy.

I encourage the good guys to reconsider. While it is Guede's fault that this crime happened to begin with, Guede is not at fault for the framing of Amanda and Raffaele. Kercher vermin are at fault for the persecution of Amanda and Raffaele.

Guede getting off with an incredibly light sentence is actually Karmic justice punishing Kercher vermin for what they've done to Amanda and Raffaele.

One day Kercher vermin will fully realize that they helped Meredith's killer get away with his crime, and when they do, that realization is going to destroy them.

Therefore if Guede is allowed to live a prosperous middle class life in Italy, this should be regarded as a good thing.

Not only that, but if Guede chooses to become a repeat offender, if it happens in Perugia that will mean lots of uncomfortable questions for all of the corrupt judges who helped Kercher vermin persecute Amanda and Raffaele.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2017 05:23 am
Quote:
It was during the darkest days of Amanda Knox's life that Donald Trump had publicly supported her.

Long before he became president, Trump had defended Knox, donated to her cause and urged other Americans to boycott Italy until she was cleared in the murder of her roommate in Perugia.

But after Trump entered the political arena — after Knox was acquitted by Italy's highest court and freed, for good, from Capanne prison — he reportedly became “very upset” that she had not supported him in return.

In fact, in a series of columns leading up to the election, Knox had criticized Trump's policies and joined the opposition, pledging her support for Hillary Clinton.

Knox believed she owned him a thank-you — but nothing more.
Source

Op-Ed Amanda Knox: Donald Trump supported me when I was wrongly accused of murder. What do I owe him?
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 5 May, 2017 12:26 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I didn't realize you were interested in Amanda's articles.

You can read all of her articles here:
http://www.amandaknox.com/blog/
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2017 11:37 pm
new Rolling Stone interview:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/amanda-knox-on-life-after-wrongful-conviction-w497051

People Magazine video interview:
http://people.com/pen/00000158-3295-d6e5-a15b-f79d34930000/0000015d-e93b-d06e-a77f-eb7f76e20000/

http://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/amanda-knox1.jpg?crop=900px%2C133px%2C1080px%2C1227px
http://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/amanda-knox2.jpg
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 20 Dec, 2017 04:20 pm
Sometimes Karma is just plain awesome! Mr. Green

The London Times wrote:
Meredith Kercher's killer gets a job in crime research

Ten years after he was jailed for the murder of exchange student Meredith Kercher in Italy, Rudy Guede has been granted day release from prison to work at a centre for criminology studies.

Guede, 30, has started cataloguing and researching books at the Centre for Criminological Studies in Viterbo, which offers courses on understanding the criminal mind.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/meredith-kercher-s-killer-gets-a-job-in-crime-research-7lgvfxmgp

Yes yes, I know. It's "The Times". But seriously, I'm the only person outside the UK who knows that, so let's not confuse people.

Anyway, hooray for Karma! It'll only be a few more years before Guede is completely free now. I can hardly wait! Very Happy
gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2017 10:31 am
Italians seem to excel at some kinds of things (Alfa Romeo, Motoguzzi...); but functional justice systems don't seem to be one of them.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2017 10:43 am
@oralloy,
Guede already got "part time parole" more than a year ago (was allowed to leave the prison one hour at breakfast, one hour at lunch and one hour at dinner). He got already a degree in Historical Sciences in 2015, was studying for a specialist degree in History and Environment at Roma Tre University last year as well as volunteering with the Centre of Criminology Studies (the latter is engaged a lot with the Viterbo prison).

He got parole in November 2016.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 21 Dec, 2017 02:04 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
He got parole in November 2016.

Not by the American understanding of the word. Americans usually understand parole as a final release from prison, where the inmate does not have to return to prison unless they violate the terms of the parole.

Guede is in some sort of day release thing where he still returns to prison every day after leaving work.

But his final release from prison is coming soon, and that is entirely the fault of the Kercher family.

Guede opted to be tried by a limited hearing in front of a judge instead of having a full-dress jury trial. Because of that he qualified for a sentence reduction. The rules for such sentence reductions are as follows:

a) LIFE With A Period Of Solitary Confinement gets reduced to regular LIFE

b) regular LIFE gets reduced to 30 YEARS

c) any other sentence is reduced by one third

Under Italian law, the combination of crimes that Guede committed against Kercher mandated a sentence of LIFE With A Period Of Solitary Confinement. So even with the sentence reduction he should have gotten a regular LIFE sentence as per "A" above.

However, in order to falsely accuse Amanda and Raffaele of the crime, they had to pretend that Guede didn't break in through the window, so he was not charged with that.

And the false charges against Amanda and Raffaele led to confusion over who stole Meredith's money, so Guede was not convicted of that.

Because the court did not consider him to have committed these two crimes, Guede's base sentence went from LIFE With A Period Of Solitary Confinement to regular LIFE. And his reduced sentence went from regular LIFE ("A" above) to 30 YEARS ("B" above).

If he'd had the regular LIFE sentence that he should have gotten under "A" above, he would have been eligible for parole after 26 years. But that parole would only have been granted if he admitted to his crime and expressed remorse. At the moment he is denying that he committed the crime. Hard to tell if he would have continued to deny after having served more than 20 years and being told that he'd stay in prison forever if he didn't admit his guilt, but it is entirely possible that he would have stayed in prison for the rest of his life. At the very least he would have been required to admit guilt and ask for forgiveness before being released. With the 30 YEAR sentence he gets released eventually even without expressing remorse.

But the Kerchers were not done shortening Guede's sentence. When Amanda and Raffaele were found guilty by corrupt judges in the first instance, the court found mitigating circumstances largely due to their innocence, and they were only sentenced to 24 YEARS for the murder. Since the courts were pretending that all three were in it together, it would have appeared racist if they'd given the black guy a LIFE sentence while the two white people got a 24 YEAR sentence, so the court in the second instance reduced Guede's sentence from LIFE to 24 YEARS to match the sentences given to Amanda and Raffaele.

And since Guede qualified for the sentence reduction for having had a abbreviated trial in front of a judge, under provision "C" above, his 24 YEAR sentence was reduced by one third to 16 YEARS.

And now Guede is about to be released from prison in a few more years. All because of the machinations of the Kercher family.

And THAT is Karma at its very finest.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 5 May, 2018 07:14 pm
That creep Lumumba is back on TV whining about losing his precious bar.

http://www.ilsussidiario.net/News/Cinema-Televisione-e-Media/2018/4/22/Patrick-Lumumba-Il-congolese-ingiustamente-accusato-e-incastrato-da-Amanda-Knox-Sono-Innocente-/817359/

Creeps really shouldn't whine when Karma gives them what they deserve. IMO at least.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2018 10:25 pm
How is Amanda making out?
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2018 10:52 pm
@gungasnake,
OK as far as I know. She is involved in various innocence campaigns for other wrongful convictions.

She is also using her experiences to speak out against the demonization of women for real or imagined sexuality.

She still hasn't been compensated for being illegally held in jail for four years. Her case at the European Court of Human Rights is still pending.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2018 05:21 am
@oralloy,
Our system of justice is broken...

In a totally rational world the job of District Attorney as it is known in America would not exist. NOBODY should ever have any sort of a career or money incentive for sending people to prison, much less for executing people. The job of District Attorney in America seems to involve almost limitless power and very little resembling accountability and granted there are good people who hold the job, the attraction which the job has for psychopaths is simply too great.

DA is often the first rung in the ladder of political careers and some of those careers are paved with the blood and shattered lives of innocents. Cases which are well known and easy to research on the internet include those of Janet Reno and her witch hunts, Scott Harshbarger, Mike Nifong, Martha Cloakley who almost became a US senator from Massachusetts, Ronnie Earle who managed to convict Tom Delay of being a Republican, that lunatic sheriff of Wenatchee Wa. who almost succeeded in having Wenatchee disincorporated when it could no longer buy insurance, the prosecutors in that hideous David Camm case in Indiana, the “Kids for Cash” judge and the prosecutors involved in that disaster in Scranton Pa., Angela Corey, Marilyn Mosby, and the list goes on.

What is actually needed is to scrap the adversarial system of justice and the job of DA altogether and adopt the inquisitorial system used in France in which the common incentive of all governmental parties involved in a criminal case is a determination of facts.
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